Vaporized 7-OH-Mitragynine Today, All I Can Say Is "Damn"

[Esperighanto]

Hey guys,

I just got some extract in that's 63% 7-OH-Mitragynine and 3% Mitragynine, it's the "apricot" batch that many people have run into recently. I turned some into lean initially, but the sugar content was driving me crazy so I started just doing bumps and lines of it instead. Despite poor water solubility, that shit hits in an incredibly intense manner, so I decided to try some in a pipe. Criss-crossed brass screens, a small bed of sinicuichi, and ~25mg of this extract was torched on a hand pipe very gently (the way you would torch DMT or NEP) and it vaporized into a somewhat bitter, almost floral tasting smoke that immediately got me higher than I've ever been on any amount of kratom alkaloids, ever. It was an immediate effect akin to insufflating the extract, but it felt stronger and used even less material. I'm going to try to saturate some sinicuichi in an ethanolic solution of this extract tonight and see how it works when cured. 5-MeO-DiPT, 3-HO-PCP, 2-FXE/CanKet and THC tinctures have all dried onto it well, so maybe this will too. If it works out, I'll leave a comment with updated info.

 

[Quasimoto]

Coincidentally I was looking at the 7oh wiki today and noticed inhalation listed as an ROA. I've never considered that before. I know it works via snorting it, as I have done in the past.

Too bad I'm in rehab now from abusing 7oh and psuedo. Needed to get on suboxone. Was using 300mg+ per day. Very unfun withdrawal.

I'd imagine the dopamine hit is stronger this way... but how is the duration compared to oral?

 

[Esperighanto]

but how is the duration compared to oral

Oral administration of this specific "apricot" batch of extract lasts ~6 hours, intranasal 4-5 hours, and I smoked it about three hours ago and it doesn't feel like it's coming down yet.

Edit: Adding some straight leaf to the mix adds at least 2 hours to duration on any of the RoAs, and I've also never experienced withdrawals from 7-OH, oxycodone, hydromorphone, any opioid I've used, even in high amounts or over long periods of time. Adding etizolam also seems to potentiate this, as does hydroxyzine, carisoprodol, and cimetidine.

 

[Quasimoto]

Do you think it would work off foil? Just curious.

 

[Esperighanto]

Do you think it would work off foil? Just curious.

Uh, maybe? I would at least smoke out of a potato or a handpipe if you can, it's significantly less toxic than torching aluminum foil.

 

[TH3B3AR]

Uh, maybe? I would at least smoke out of a potato or a handpipe if you can, it's significantly less toxic than torching aluminum foil.

Hey guys,

I just got some extract in that's 63% 7-OH-Mitragynine and 3% Mitragynine, it's the "apricot" batch that many people have run into recently. I turned some into lean initially, but the sugar content was driving me crazy so I started just doing bumps and lines of it instead. Despite poor water solubility, that shit hits in an incredibly intense manner, so I decided to try some in a pipe. Criss-crossed brass screens, a small bed of sinicuichi, and ~25mg of this extract was torched on a hand pipe very gently (the way you would torch DMT or NEP) and it vaporized into a somewhat bitter, almost floral tasting smoke that immediately got me higher than I've ever been on any amount of kratom alkaloids, ever. It was an immediate effect akin to insufflating the extract, but it felt stronger and used even less material. I'm going to try to saturate some sinicuichi in an ethanolic solution of this extract tonight and see how it works when cured. 5-MeO-DiPT, 3-HO-PCP, 2-FXE/CanKet and THC tinctures have all dried onto it well, so maybe this will too. If it works out, I'll leave a comment with updated info.

Oo finally nice! I've been curious about trying this myself. When you hit it with flame did it melt like crystal or fire up like flower? I've been considering trying out of a bubble but havent heard of many people vaporizing/smoking 7oh powder.

The posts usually end up a thread of people arguing about it like..
"Yes I know it's bad for me...yes I know it's addict behavior..... just shut the fuck up and tell me if it works or not"

I fucking love smoking opiates. Was a heroin addict for over 10 years till kratom miraculously found its way into my life.

Never had much luck with intranasal 7oh unfortunately. Usually just got me feeling wirey and anxious but that is just kinda my personality. Turns out years of amphetamines makes ya a little jittery.
Was it pretty comparable to oral or intranasal as far as the high itself? I imagine the come up could be pretty intense.

 

[Esperighanto]

Never had much luck with intranasal 7oh unfortunately. Usually just got me feeling wirey and anxious but that is just kinda my personality.

See my personality is naturally sleepy so I prefer it intranasally.

Was it pretty comparable to oral or intranasal as far as the high itself?

Oral or sublingual 7-OH has a come-up time, smoked 7-OH almsot nods you out so fast you drop your pipe on the ground. Intranasal hits in maybe 3-5 minutes at most, but the come-up begins immediately and the post-nasal drip is a bit heinous.

When you hit it with flame did it melt like crystal or fire up like flower?

Had to sandwich it in weed, or dissolve it in pure ethanol (lab grade) and cure that onto smoking material, which in this case was Heimia salicifolia aka sinicuichi, an old Aztec enthogen.

 

[chris_p]

Sometimes I wonder about the danger of smoking random chemicals. Surprisingly the only weird thing I ever tried was vaping MDMA from a bulb at the behest of a hooker who mixed it with meth. It made me feel like my braincells were melting for a solid 15 minutes. Extreme sweating and confusion and basically mentally paralyzed it felt like the most dangerously powerful roll ever condensed into just a few minutes and the only thing keeping me from entering unconscousness was the meth. Even though 7-oh is a weak opioid, wouldn't you be scared about accidentally overdosing in this manner? I definitely felt I fucked up big time

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

overdose actually Im gunna pull that back based on esperighanto's words, be careful! -- lung infection or something of the sort probably worth an afterthought at least. Shit I ran mdma before and I know the exact electric brain thing you speak of *was not pleasant for me*. The path less chosen is less chosen for a reason...

However freebase 25nbome -- only way I'd wanna take it almost. 20-30 minute super intense trip -- not quite salvia/dmt level but ego loss forsure. Had a certain "friskiness" quality too it as well if I recall. Kind of a total sensory overload. I got a gram and it was in base not hcl form (Naturally I got idears)

Sorry the larger point is I found MDMA as somewhat of an anomaly when it comes to smoking -- same with 25nbome but in the way you would want. I unfortunately must admit I have tried most things most ways and MDMA did behave quite strangely when sent directly into the brain --- not too many others I have experienced that much of a change in effects with. (blanket rule, little wasteful but hits harder/faster) .. I had a buddy get a tumor in his throat from smoking crack (or maybe there was no causation but it seemed obvious)

Esperighanto -- What kind of doses are we talking about that have you noddin out that hard? Shoot that sounds like a bit of work, could one not just throw it in a hash banger or is the melting point super low or something?

 

[JackARoe]

Sometimes I wonder about the danger of smoking random chemicals.

There he is, good to see you Chris. What is funny is the corner convenient store sells 7-oh and other things. The owner is complaining that other people complain the 7-ho works a few times and then does not. I would guess this is tolerance. He has been selling a lot more TCH-O bud and he says no complaints. But he scaled back the kratom products, does not want to deal with complaints.

I have not tried any of these due to just wanting off plain kratom powder. And if I space it right it is not a bad wd. Lethargy mostly. I would imagine coming off concentrates or modified kratom would be tougher.

But no way in hell would I SMOKE any offerings from anywhere today that is not safe. I do not trust vendors. Vending is a shit show today with people selling "amanita" gummies and sticking random chems in it. That should not be put up with.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Damn lol sometimes I almost wish pot wasn't legal so we got those funny smoke shops with off menu items. 7-oh is available at cornerstores? May I ask which state(s) this is in? (is that too close to sourcing? lol) I know D.C has DMT carts -- still gotta get at that. Couple states semi legalized mushrooms. CO comes to mind.

Where would you put this substance in the opi spectrum-- next to something like bupe euphoria wise, more/less?

 

[JackARoe]

Damn lol sometimes I almost wish pot wasn't legal so we got those funny smoke shops with off menu items. 7-oh is available at cornerstores?

NJ. It is a convenient store with everything. But again he is successful with bud. THe 7-0h does not seem sustainable. At least not for him lol. Although tolerance is not his friend. He too down his neon kratom sign. I think these things should not be sold on the corner. But what I see is not a rush to buy them. No plague like fentanyl.

 

[Esperighanto]

Sometimes I wonder about the danger of smoking random chemicals. Surprisingly the only weird thing I ever tried was vaping MDMA from a bulb at the behest of a hooker who mixed it with meth. It made me feel like my braincells were melting for a solid 15 minutes. Extreme sweating and confusion and basically mentally paralyzed it felt like the most dangerously powerful roll ever condensed into just a few minutes and the only thing keeping me from entering unconscousness was the meth. Even though 7-oh is a weak opioid, wouldn't you be scared about accidentally overdosing in this manner? I definitely felt I fucked up big time

If you want the truth, and I know this is terrible harm reduction advice, but a decade ago as a terminally ill teenager, I twice, on no tolerance, attempted suicide twice with over half a gram of scrip oxycodone. Neither time led to an overdose. Maybe my enzymes are weird? Idk. My fiance is much more opioid-vulnerable thuogh and enjoyed vaporized 7-OH as well. We had Narcan on hand and only used when the other one of us was awake and aware.

As far as vaporizing MDMA, it tends to only be vapeable as a freebase oil for full effects to kick normally, I'm shocked you got the effects you did from vaporizing a salt of it. I'm glad you made it through that experience okay man, please keep it safe, you're worth keeping around.

Esperighanto -- What kind of doses are we talking about that have you noddin out that hard? Shoot that sounds like a bit of work, could one not just throw it in a hash banger or is the melting point super low or something?

A banger/nail would absolutely work, we just sandwiched it in sinicuichi (which I'd infused some cannabis into) in a handpipe and torched it with one of those tiny single-torch lighters you can find at gas stations and the sort. I had taken 2 20mg sublingual tablets about 3-4 hours before vaporizing, my normal 300mg of bupropion and 200mg of caffeine that day, smoked a minute amount of weed, but then vaping the 7-OH was 15-20mg sandwiched in the whole bowl and we probably hit that pipe 20-30 times total, getting ideal effects each time. Next time though, I'd likely infuse it into ethanol and cure it onto smoking material to try to get more even dissolution.

lung infection or something of the sort probably worth an afterthought at least.

This is very true. Sometimes I'll try vaping something just once to see how it is, but that's due to a sort of "Shulgin complex" as I call it, trying novel things in novel ways in super small amounts that escalate up to finding minimal activity, then stopping there, taking notes and never really trying it again.

However freebase 25nbome

25_-NBOMe, what is the _ here? I, B, C, D or E I imagine?

Damn lol sometimes I almost wish pot wasn't legal so we got those funny smoke shops with off menu items. 7-oh is available at cornerstores? May I ask which state(s) this is in? (is that too close to sourcing? lol) I know D.C has DMT carts -- still gotta get at that. Couple states semi legalized mushrooms. CO comes to mind.

Where would you put this substance in the opi spectrum-- next to something like bupe euphoria wise, more/less?

As I drove from Maine to Florida a few months back on a 30-hour through drive (thanks amphetamine, ephedrine, bupropion and caffeine) I encountered 7-OH in almost every single state I was in. It's endemic in the US right now.

I also want to mention for people reading this in the future and form harm reduction's sake, I was smoking a 63% 7-OH-mitragynine, 3-4% mitragynine extract I purchased that had CoAs from numerous labs that I personally contacted, and I ran a series of tests on it using my own laboratory once the extract arrived. This was a purified extract, NOT PILLS. Do NOT smoke pills, it is not worth the risk of "Ritalin lung", where pill binders and excipients can cause a condition that makes COPD look like the sniffles.

 

[BourbonMac]

I don't even wanna imagine how fucked up you were. When I've taken 2 of these it messes me up worse than oxy, although I think I'd taken 2 with an OPMS that time. Still, just the 7ohm alone twice, I was so, so fucked up, especially when I added kava into the mix and started to truly nod. Not that tired in and out of awareness kind you might get from regular kratom, but like heroin or something. These extracts are seriously underestimated.

I'm definitely not trying this, lol. But it's crazy that's even possible. Can just swallow it, eat it, snort it, vape and it probably smoke it too. I can't think of a single other substance like that. Maybe Phenibut... but I think no one is crazy enough to even attempt that. It would probably chemically burn your throat or some shit.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Grazi Esperighanto -- Lot of good info. On the 25nbome question I have to be completely honest with you and say I do not remember;*EDIT -- after a quick look I 25I-nbome freebase. 100%

No ish -- I will have to put the word of mouth out -- I do not see why we would be an exception really. (not like 7 oh is a cannibinoid synthetic or otherwise). let me know if you are suppose to purify it after purchase as that isn't really in my plans -- sounds like it works with other ROA's so no worry.

I would like to echo "Do not smoke pills" for the exact same reason. Seen it hurt people first hand a few times. (noone listens that doesnt want to)

 

[Quasimoto]

The owner is complaining that other people complain the 7-ho works a few times and then does not.

7oh has the same issue as kratom in that eventually tolerance reaches a point where you don't get much opioid effect from it anymore. Hard tolerance. But this took much, much longer to occur for me compared to regular kratom.

It's probably just a really shitty product. A lot of those gas station brands of 7oh that say they have 15-20mg actually only have like 3-5mg.

 

[Esperighanto]

It's probably just a really shitty product. A lot of those gas station brands of 7oh that say they have 15-20mg actually only have like 3-5mg.

Where I used to live in Maine had locals pressing pills that were tested sometimes to have INSANE hotspots, like 45mg+ in a single tablet type hotspots on labeled to be 15mg. To this day, I wonder how much was in the initial pressie that launched me into psychosis because I can smoke this shit and rail lines of it like it's not a big deal now, with no withdrawals and neglible tolerance buildup until a week or more of constant use.

Grazi Esperighanto -- Lot of good info. On the 25nbome question I have to be completely honest with you and say I do not remember;*EDIT -- after a quick look I 25I-nbome freebase. 100%

If you're unaware as to whether or not it's been complexed, be VERY careful. That's also a large amount, what RoA(s) are you planning on using for it? My apologies if I'm being nosey, I'm just a harm reduction advocate (would advise lozenges instead of blotter for example) but I'm also a huge enthusiast of the 25X-NBXX series. Many of the most magical experiences of my life have been the results of that specifically unique mysical, almost transcendental quality that they can possess given the right set and setting.

If the product you have is complexed with something even as simple and accessible as HPBCD, you may need to dose possibly as low as 20-25% of what you'd expect, to get the same desired effect due to increased bioavailability. Part of the issue with complexing too is that it's often not communicated from chemist to vendor, or from one vendor to another. There's also the fact that sometimes complexing is only partially completed, or can even leave byproducts leading to a weak batch. As a result, all NBOMe compounds should be "Shulgin climbed" up from a very low dose, towards a more standard dosage range, and preferably never put on blotter paper. It is simply too uneven.

I have put countless compounds of different classes on blotter, and it's truly a difficult art to master with consistency even remotely accurate enough to lay something with a therapeutic index as narrow as 25I-NBOMe. Lozenge molds are cheap on Amazon, even making sublingual mints or making a volumetric liquid solution and then dosing altoids or candy lego blocks would be more advisable imo. The same advice I'd give to somebody with a gram of a crystal benzo/similar that's very powerful (bromazolam, phenazolam, etizolam, etc.) applies to these, except with benzos you black out, with 25X-NBXX compounds you unironically risk death. Despite how overblown the talks of danger are surrounding the chemical class, it still demands that you come correct, similarly to AMT, 5-MeO-DiPT, DXM, MD(M)A, DOx's, etc.

 

[4DQSAR]

Sort of suggests that bioavailability by non-parentheral routes may not be high or at least that the subjective effects change hugely when vaped when compared to swallowed. Methadone is like that. Swallow it and it may peak anywhere from 4-7 hours. Vape it and the peak occurs within a couple of minutes so subjectively, utterly different.

 

[JackARoe]

It's probably just a really shitty product. A lot of those gas station brands of 7oh that say they have 15-20mg actually only have like 3-5mg.

Could be lol. I can totally see that. But the owner is a braggard and does not shut up. "I get the best this or that". I did get a good buzz from 2 hits of thc-o weed or whatever he had. But I would not buy it. He gave me one.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Where I used to live in Maine had locals pressing pills that were tested sometimes to have INSANE hotspots, like 45mg+ in a single tablet type hotspots on labeled to be 15mg. To this day, I wonder how much was in the initial pressie that launched me into psychosis because I can smoke this shit and rail lines of it like it's not a big deal now, with no withdrawals and neglible tolerance buildup until a week or more of constant use.

If you're unaware as to whether or not it's been complexed, be VERY careful. That's also a large amount, what RoA(s) are you planning on using for it? My apologies if I'm being nosey, I'm just a harm reduction advocate (would advise lozenges instead of blotter for example) but I'm also a huge enthusiast of the 25X-NBXX series. Many of the most magical experiences of my life have been the results of that specifically unique mysical, almost transcendental quality that they can possess given the right set and setting.

If the product you have is complexed with something even as simple and accessible as HPBCD, you may need to dose possibly as low as 20-25% of what you'd expect, to get the same desired effect due to increased bioavailability. Part of the issue with complexing too is that it's often not communicated from chemist to vendor, or from one vendor to another. There's also the fact that sometimes complexing is only partially completed, or can even leave byproducts leading to a weak batch. As a result, all NBOMe compounds should be "Shulgin climbed" up from a very low dose, towards a more standard dosage range, and preferably never put on blotter paper. It is simply too uneven.

I have put countless compounds of different classes on blotter, and it's truly a difficult art to master with consistency even remotely accurate enough to lay something with a therapeutic index as narrow as 25I-NBOMe. Lozenge molds are cheap on Amazon, even making sublingual mints or making a volumetric liquid solution and then dosing altoids or candy lego blocks would be more advisable imo. The same advice I'd give to somebody with a gram of a crystal benzo/similar that's very powerful (bromazolam, phenazolam, etizolam, etc.) applies to these, except with benzos you black out, with 25X-NBXX compounds you unironically risk death. Despite how overblown the talks of danger are surrounding the chemical class, it still demands that you come correct, similarly to AMT, 5-MeO-DiPT, DXM, MD(M)A, DOx's, etc.

It was 25I-Nbome and a little over a decade ago. (hence the memory problems). Yea it did not take to blotter paper well -- here is a story for you. I decide to lay 1mg each on altoids than mark said altoids with a simple foodcollor star/stamp and leave them to dry/absorb in a pyrex dish. Put said dish downstairs with the PH up and Down and assorted grow chemicals basically. Return 12 hours later and 35 and turned into 4!! (Oh shit roomate check) Yup one dude sure as shit had taken 32 mg ish. Man this is ER worthy!! You must be in outer space -- I am expecting little help on this persons end. They turn big smile, "Why what are they like a light speed?" --- HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU STILL TALKING TO ME -- Educated man PhD in his 50s but had a habit of pulling such stunts. Refused to go anywhere and seemed just fine; little sweaty.........I am thinking anti depressants and anything taken after an hour of the first dose isn't gunna work nearly the same way but DAMN. Lol same guy did the same thing with MXE doses -- "That is strange blow" --- Damn it again! (FTR I took two of the last 4 altoids and tripped balls so idk).

I was pretty confident about the purity. I had lab reports gc/ms nmr but of course from the vendor doesnt mean much; they had a really golden reputation that way. Thought they had a long future. Byproducts/incomplete synth was a concern as I heard a batch of some kind of stim tested positive for meth and got a bunch of ppl busted. (not the same vendor but still)

Thank you for addressing the blotter paper issue!! I tried with not so great results a couple of times after ordering sheets that were pressed by an associate son/grandson/secound cousin i wont say of one of the merry pranksters and that was consistent AF.

I do have 3 mg scales that I use to cross reference and bit of advice there too (prolly not for you but for alot) --- SOME of these mg scales are not accurate untill they have 20-50 mg on them. A normal zig zag paper weighs 40mg, 41 sometimes --- Using 2 mg scales what I would do is put the baggie on one -- zig zag on the other. Remove powder from bag on scale and put it on zig zag than check to make sure the -mg# on scale one was quite close (never exactly the same) to the +mg # on scale 2.(about 4-5mg lost during transfer usually so the less you do that the better) --- Zig zags are wax paper and MOST powders roll off of them easily into your volumetric dosing liquid. (which you know do solid math there too, KISS (keep it simple) 30mg (300 for awhile but that was crazy and only benzos into 30ml 153 rum was my choice for benzo's I forget if I had to use somethin different for 25i-nbome) I remember most people used PG and ethanol ended up being the safer option -- AMAZINGLY -- ppl asked how I knew, I did not but I did know how harmful alcohol was and PG was kinda in the air in my head.

Dumbest thing I ever did with 25i-nbome by along shot was long after I was out of it and it became illegal and I just had the baggie it came in sitting around -- don't like illegal things inside the house and LICKD THE BAG. Lucky to still be here, no idea how long I was ego death'd before found in my room staring into nothing having a panic attack because I couldnt remember which directions the planets rotated in and how many moons they had as somehow it was up to me to keep things in order. (god complex much? lol)

I can safely assure you that I would not have bought it if I did not know what it was at the time (Okay the base did throw me for a curve and that was p2p if recall *idk if that is termed right but you get it*

After lysergamines started coming out I probably would never play with that ish again. I will say I found it preferable to the taste dosage and body load of 2c-i original which at 30mg lasted way too long and just felt more "chemmy". Lot easer to tell 10 mg and 30 mg apart than 1 and 3 though and there is ALOT to be said for that!