Vaporization of 4-Sub Tryptamines

[titan7]

I've recently been exploring alternate ROA's with 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-det. Simply swallowing material is losing interest for me, I've plugged substances before but prefer to avoid it because of the uncomfortable feeling in my bowels I'm left with for 20+ minutes after plugging. So I decided to make a lightbulb vaporizer and give it a shot. Using a standard bic lighter did not work very well. I would have to heat the bulb for over a minute before any vapor started to fill the bulb. I have a jet lighter now and it works better, but the light bulb ends up getting red hot before the material begins vaporizing, I've cracked one bulb already because of this and I'm unsure of a way around it.
The powder as it heats up melts and turns brown before starting to bubble and fill the bulb with vapor, am I doing something wrong or does this happen for anyone else?

I have fumarate 4-aco and hcl 4-ho-det, so that might have something to do with it.

What's a better way to go about vaporizing rc's? Would using foil instead of a lightbulb work better?

 

[Bagseed]

well, salts are not really suited for vaporization, freebase would be better. afaik the melting point of salts is way higher.

 

[phenethylo J]

4-ho-det can't be vaped since it will get destroyed but 4-aco-det does produce good effects when being vaped. I usualy use an oil burner or mix it with some weed, or mint leaves in my one hitter. I like oral dosing better though.

 

[Solipsis]

Yes that would be the same for other 4-HO tryptamines (HO group gets attacked) and 4-AcO tryptamines (HO group is protected by Ac ). At the least theoretically, I have not tried it myself because i saw no need.

 

[Transform]

I've actually found vaporising (not smoking) freebase 4-HO-DMT to be thoroughly effective. Also in a bulb vape. Over such a short timescale with no moisture exposure and relatively low temperatures it's not a problem.

I recommend that anyone who wants to try this uses a bulb vape and a tealight candle. Hold the bulb well clear of the flame itself so that you can apply the minimum heat possible to vaporise - don't rush it by holding it closer. The substance will melt, then begin to form a vapor which will swirl around the bulb, leaking slightly.

You should aim to begin inhaling 5 secs before the vapor begins and then inhale slowly but constantly. Stop heating 20 secs before you stop inhaling. Hold the breath as long as you can. You will need to repeat this multiple times as you don't get big hits like you might when letting it build up, but this is not a problem because this method is more efficient and allows you to gauge how high you are vs where you want to be.

What you are trying to do is force the substance to evaporate using airflow and heat rather than heat alone. This keeps it cooler and prevents vapour seeping through gaps as it expands.

It's the same technique as vaporising any other powder - apply the minimum heat with good airflow to maximise efficiency.

 

[titan7]

I've vaped the 4-ho-det and got noticeable psychedelic effects, not entirely intense but I also was vaping the material poorly and had no idea how much I loaded into the bulb. Vaping both the 4-ho-det and 4-aco-dmt at the same time is much more wonderful than either one alone. I have the brown clumpy 4-aco-dmt and when vaped it tastes horrible, has a fishy taste. The 4-ho-det on the other hand tasted like duct tape. Which lead me to believe I fucked up making the light bulb vape so I re made it a few times until I realized it was just the chemical.

I've now used the method transform recommended with a standard bic lighter and it works much better than just heating the material holding the carb the entire time waiting for the bulb to fill. I also noticed that adding a few drops of water into the bulb after the powder to dissolve the powder slightly makes vaporizing it much easier and less harsh because of the water vapor. This method works extremely well and I think I'm going to try this while peaking on a large oral dose of both to see how far I can go.

 

[DawgTheHallMonitor]

You should look into getting a Monkey Vape they are such a little gem. Its a portable vaporizer that uses the same principles as the light except you put your product in a glass vial and heat it with a torch. If you decide to get it I highly recommend getting some better quality vials for it.
I have used it many times for honey oils and various types of hash. More recently I used it to vape 5-MeO-DALT, it worked beautifully.