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Vaping risks

I don't know how many other countries have banned vaping but Thailand is one of them.
It's cheaper to buy cigarettes anyway
Not entirely sure if the reasons for the ban are purely medical possibly financial
 
Shinji Ikari said:
Ymmv as they say.

How long did you try the vape for?
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3 months the first time and 1 1/2 the last two times? Something like that. I went through 3 phases with it. It only worsened my lung problems and I figured out about a year ago that my "smokers cough" was really just a round worm infestation.

Shinji Ikari said:
I used to smoke rollies. I try to keep to straights these days because I'm trying to quit and the cost is a good deterrent.
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I don't smoke rollies. I smoke filtered tubes stuffed with "pipe tobacco" (sold as that to avoid taxes). I noticed a large improvement with this cheap cigarette cut tobacco compared to pre-mades. Since the only thing sprayed on it is menthol instead of 1,000+ random chemicals like rat poison.

The machine to make them with cost $45 and like I said before weekly cost is $11 ($7 for 6oz of tobacco and $3 for 200 pre-made tubes plus tax). The ones I make myself burn 10-15 minutes even if I puff on them like they're a crack rock. The cigarettes I bought and smoked for nearly 20 years burned up in 2-5 minutes. The pre-mades I was buying from a well known popular brand cost $2.20 a pack when I started smoking them in 2002. They were up to $10 a pack when I quit buying them a few years ago. At the end I was paying $20 a day to smoke because I was smoking 1.5-2 packs a day. I noticed they were putting less tobacco in them for the last couple of years and they'd changed what they were spraying on them to make them burn up faster. There was also the horrible switch over "fire safe cigarettes" several years back where they started spraying what I can only assume is formaldehyde on the tobacco. Whatever it was it tasted awful and I noticed most of my lung issues started when the Government mandated all cigarettes must be fire safe.

Where I live now tobacco has always been dirt cheap. To give you an idea when I moved to a large city several states a way my usual brand that cost me $3.50-$4 a pack back home jumped to $7-$8 back in the late 2000s-early 2010s. Smoking was never really a money sink to me unless you added up yearly cost. Anyone could afford it. I was smoking top-end premade cigarettes the entire time I smoked. When I first started I was smoking "floor sweepings" as my Grandfather called them for $1.50 a pack in high school. It only took me a couple of months before I decided the extra $1 a day wasn't a big deal and switched to a more well known brand. Now those old "floor sweepings" brands are nearly $10 a pack. But they always have a new bottom of the barrel brand coming out every year here that's only a few bucks a pack.

Anyway, vaping was horrible I'm sorry to say. I dropped a lot of money into it. I have a large box mod and a nice salt nic vape. I got into it long before it became popular with most people. Then I tried it again when the "clouds brooo!" people started and it became somewhat trendy to have a large box mod. Then again when salt nics became viable and small vapes were catching on before the disposable craze got into full swing.

Each time I tried it was due to living with other people that didn't want me smoking in the house. The second and third time I really did want to quit tobacco and tried really hard to stay off of it. The first time I only stuck with it for a few months. I was basically forced back to smoking tobacco because I couldn't vape with my day job. Vaping would take my breath away and I couldn't work outside. Even if I regulated the vaping to break times. The moment I puffed on my "electric cigar" as my co-workers called it I couldn't get my breath back and would be useless. I was landscaping for a living at the time and my main duty required walking at a brisk pace with 20-50 pounds of equipment either being carried or on my back. In weather where the humidity was always 90+% in heat so hot that my boots would melt when I walked over the pavement. If I smoked cigarettes it was no problem. Could go all day with one hanging out of my mouth and smoke 1-2 packs a day everyday no problem. It didn't take me long until I was only using the vape at home at night when I didn't want to get out of bed to go to the porch and smoke. Then I ditched it all together because I just started smoking in the house again after everyone else fell asleep. Got away with it because another person was openly smoking so I could blame it on her.

The second time when I dropped $100+ on the box mod and everything to go with it I stopped smoking tobacco for almost a year. But there was really no cost savings. I was always buying different juices trying out new flavors and burning through coils quickly. I tried to keep my wattage low to extend the life of them but they always burned up about the same. The people I was living with complained about the smell so I was on the porch anyway after the first week or so. Meaning my main reason for switching was already negated. I tried to stick with it for the claimed health benefits but I saw little to no improvement in my breathing. My breathing got much worse actually. I was also puffing on it more than I was with cigarettes (and I'm a heavy smoker) and all I did was drive my nicotine tolerance up. I forget now how much freebase nicotine I was using but suffice to say I never had to worry about my favorite flavors being out of stock because no one else was buying the ones with the higher % of nicotine in them like I was. When I switched back to cigarettes I doubled my daily intake of them and it took me awhile to ween back down to 20-30 cigarettes daily. At first I was smoking 40+ and still not feeling satisfied.

After that I tried the salt nic. I again spent $30-$40 or something like that on a new vape. I tried not to make the same mistake and started with lower % nicotine juice. I'd become good friends with the guy at the local store by this point and he was a great guy that got into the business because he wanted to get people off tobacco. I tried to stick to a hard daily limit on vaping. But again, it didn't work and I was soon puffing away on the thing all of the time. It was worse than the box mod because now I could really take the thing anywhere without worrying about dirt getting in it, it firing in my bag (had that happen with the box mod once, it was awful and security thought I had a bomb), and it was more convenient in general. Which meant I could now sneakily puff on it at work or anywhere (like an airplane) with no worries about getting caught.

It wasn't long before I up'd my nicotine tolerance again. Everyone complained about the smell. Can't tell you how many times my Dad got pissed off about me puffing on it while riding in his car. "I'd rather you just smoke tobacco that shit stinks" he'd say. Everyone else hated the smell no matter what flavor I was using at the time. People that smoked tobacco in their own homes and would let guest hot box the place hated the smell and didn't want me puffing on it in their homes. All benefits that should have come along with it were negated again. The only use I ended up having for it was sneaking a puff here and there at work or other places where I wasn't supposed to be smoking indoors.

It wasn't long before I started buying a pack of smokes so I could get my nicotine fix in places where people didn't want to smell the vape. Soon I was smoking cigarettes and using the vape between them. At some point I decided it was stupid to pay for both and decided just to smoke tobacco. Since it wasn't bothering my lungs as much as the vape and I could smoke them in more places than I could the vape. By this point in time vapes had already been banned indoors everywhere smoking already had been. So there was zero benefit to using the vape. I was also starting to get more worried about what was in the juice/coils and didn't want to make any further investments towards mixing my own juice and rebuilding coils.

My friend had started using a machine to stuff tubes with "pipe tobacco" around this time and told me how cheap it was. I tried one of his cigarettes and it was close enough to my brand that I was willing to buy my own machine. After a few days of smoking the ones I'd made myself I liked them better than the brand I'd been smoking for two decades. Since then I've been all-in on smoking tobacco.

Don't get me wrong tobacco isn't ideal. My house smells like shit. I hate scrubbing the walls. I hate having to go outside in winter when I'm visiting family or at some public place. But it beats vaping for me. The tobacco isn't causing me to be unable to breath (at least not acutely) and I'm already okay with the fact that I'm going to end up with lung cancer most likely. I'm addicted to nicotine and I do not see that ever changing.

You want to know what the best thing I ever did for my lungs was? Quitting my daily pot habit. I still smoke grass but not nearly as often as I did from the time I was a teenager up until my mid-30s. Quitting the daily pot smoking was the best thing I did as far as my lungs are concerned. Well that is getting rid of the round worms.

Now vaping grass is a different story. As long as it's flower. The cartridges have the same issue as the nicotine juice for me. Dabs are rough as fuck too. I feel like my lungs are on fire any time I do a dab. I don't do dabs at all unless one is offered and I haven't done one in probably 4-6 years now. Whenever my friend that loved dabbing died was the last time I did one. He made his own dab oil and I know he was really anal about doing it right. Watched him do it many times. I just can't handle that shit. It burns the hell out of my lungs, I don't feel like I can breath afterwards and I get way too fucking high whenever I take one. Although the last part is because he thought it was funny to give me more than I needed. My THC tolerance has been really low for the past 10 years now. Since I barely consume a couple of grams of flower in a month when I do have some around these days.

It just isn't for me.

Also I've never met anyone that really quit nicotine with vaping. Everyone says that's their goal when they switch. But everyone I know is either vaping still or went back to tobacco like I did. Most of them that went back to tobacco did the same thing I did: blew their nicotine tolerance through the roof while they were on the vape.

I understand it might be cheaper to vape in some places compared to smoking cigarettes. But where I live if you're buying disposable vapes it's just as expensive as buying pre-made packs of cigarettes for most people. It's more expensive if you're smoking cheapo brands of pre-made smokes. You can get the cost of vaping down to about $10 a week if you pay the upfront cost for a nice vape. But as I said above that's no cheaper than smoking tobacco here if you pay the upfront cost for a rolling machine.

I'll take the known health problems over the unknown health problems. Vaping had zero positives for me the moment it got treated like cigarettes and banned indoors.
 
Vaping is risky if they sell you shitty products.

As in one straight shooters and faulty ecigs with apps that crash...
 
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