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Vaping MXE - Which Form is Best?

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I asked this already in the old MXE thread but nobody answered. Sorry there is already a thread on this but I find it faster to get a response this way.

Anyway, I want to know if it's ok to smoke the HCl form of MXE. I believe I have the HCl form as it does not hurt to insufflate. Is this a safe assumption? Does freebase MXE even exist?

Can anyone comment on vaping with an oil burner?

thanks
 
So, as prolly a few of you who follow the MXE scene are aware, there is a serious issue with product purity going around right now.

Is it salty or saline-like? Is it bitter? Is it sandy or crystalline or floury or fluffy? Is it yellow, off white or white like driven snow?

Dammit. We just want reliably pure MXE... But for the last three attempts a salty, MSG-like, hypertensive mix of junk has been all that has made it to us.

Analysis of this material shows that the organic extractable fraction is demonstrably MXE, but that the material contains LOTS of inorganic salts that are silent on NMR and MS. That way, the NMR or HPLC-MS looks clean, but on a per mass basis the recent materials received are laughably weak due to the inclusion of inorganic salts in the final products (intentional for purposes of profit, or due to ineptitude, who knows?).

Basically, the "bunk" MXE is salty, off-white/yellowed, granular or crystalline and sometimes has a weak, odd odor. Great MXE is fluffy, white, bitter like an amine should be and NOT salty.
Read on for details (tl;dr = basify, extract into organic, remove solvent, vape, smile):

It was first ascertained that the MXE was clean of appreciable organic impurities. It was secondly determined that the MXE material was contaminated with inorganic salts, and that the material provided VERY negative outcomes upon oral ROA. The insufflated ROA was also attempted once, and once only. Negative outcomes included soberness, hypertensive incidents, headaches, tinnitus and frustration.

* So, weak, yellow, granular, salty MXE was dissolved in distilled water and warmed until dissolved and the aqueous solution was clear and slightly yellow.
* Then sodium hydroxide was added, which immediately turned the aqueous solution opaque with suspended solids (insoluble MXE base).
* Hexane was added and the container shaken vigorously.
* The aqueous layer become less opaque (as MXE base moved into the hexane layer) and a nasty brown interface layer developed.
* Hexane layer was removed to a new container, and the aqueous layer was reextracted with another amount of hexane.
* Hexane layers were combined and the solvent was removed by evaporation until a minimal amount remained.
* A tube was tared, 1/5 ml of remaining hexane solution was added and the solvent removed by evaporation. The tube was reweighed and it was determined that ~21 mg of oily material was left in the glass tube after hexane was blown off.
* Remaining hexane was aliquoted into tubes and dried down in the same fashion.

=> As a ROA, a tube was heated with a lighter and the residue was vaporized/inhaled (~1/3 tube per session = ~7 mg).

Effects of vaporized MXE base, compared to MXE powder:

* Timeline: Effects manifest within ~1-5 minutes, and peak by 15 mins. It is STRONGLY suggested that at LEAST 20 minutes waiting/assessment period is inserted after each robust inhalation, or couple of weak inhalations... Effects can compound quickly to produce an overwhelming experience. Effects do not last as long as other ROAs, peak hits for about 20 minutes, appreciable comedown is achieved within 1 hour, and by 2 hours it's done.

* Quantitative effects: WTFROFLMAOBBQ. I'd say it's a tad bit more potent than what most folks are used to, when they go for a MXE experience. And by "tad bit" I mean "a million metric tons". For a frame of reference, remember that ~20 mgs makes it into the tube for vaporization. This is enough for ~3 powerful (but brief) sessions. Thus, ~6-7 mg MXE base vaporized will put someone on their ass, even with tolerance.

* Qualitative effects: COMPLETELY different than oral or insufflated. Vaporized MXE base is very rushy, manic, colorful, pushy and stimulating. There is no hole, at least from what we've seen... When one treis to get close to the M-hole zone the other effects of vaporized MXE (rushy, pushy, dopaminergic mania) come to the forefront and take over- preventing a hole from manifesting. It's also less visual, in that CEVs which are often experienced with oral and insuff MXE are not present for vaporized MXE.

So, although we're still hunting for the real, pure MXE... We can at least rest easy in the sure knowledge that our last three purchases of MXE baby do not have to be thrown out with the inorganic bathwater impurities. They will be converted to base and used for experimentation instead.

Up next in the utilization of MXE base is to add a few drops of vinegar to a tube containing ~20 mg MXE to dissolve and form the acetate salt in situ, followed by dilution into water and oral ROA. Will this provide the oral effects (Vaping MXE base gets exhausting after awhile) while avoiding the goddam toxic inorganic junk? We hope so!

There ya go
 
I am greatly interested in this method as well. How suitable is the impure HCL for vaporization? Does it need to be basified before this is possible? And bump on the last question, is there any other method or any alternative to hexane?
 
Basically, the "bunk" MXE is salty, off-white/yellowed, granular or crystalline and sometimes has a weak, odd odor. Great MXE is fluffy, white, bitter like an amine should be and NOT salty.

Hmm. Mine is crystalline, odourless, white, bitter and salty.
The 'salty' taste is a one-note, superficial saltiness (when product is placed on tongue) that immediately gives way to bitterness.
I suppose it's 'mid-grade', then? Probably no way to tell without testing for purity.
 
I successfully (?) vaporized MXE HCL? Last night I ended up vaping about 100mg. The taste is recognizable, and effects were definitely felt, though hard to pinpoint. Anyone have any idea if a lot of the product was wasted? Or is it just the fact that it's about 50% pure that requires such higher dosing?
Still interested in learning the vaporization point of methoxetamine, in hcl form. Should it be converted to a freebase to make the best use of it?
 
Sounds wasteful to me. 50mg oral is bordering "M-hole" levels for me, so 100mg smoked, even if it's only 50mg of actual MXE, should send you a long way unless your tolerance is quite high.

I think it should be converted to a freebase as suggested in the earlier post in the thread :)
 
It's a whole different ballgame

I successfully (?) vaporized MXE HCL?

Last night I ended up vaping about 100mg.

Should it be converted to a freebase to make the best use of it?

Naw man... That is not good. Not good at all.

If you absolutely have to use the HCl, then please read up on some "Tek"s to find out how to form the base in situ: Hint- it involves sodium bicarbonate/baking soda.

I still strongly discourage this though... It's been tried over here and the result is a pale shade of what the experience is supposed to deliver.

Regarding the amount you burned through... My God! What a waste!

100 mg?!

"Dosing" by the vaporization ROA is nearly impossible to determine accurately, as the material will re-condense on the lining of whatever tool you are using to vaporize. So, even if you put 10 mg base oil into an appropriate tool, there is no way that 10 mg makes it all the way to you.

In fact, that is a problem with all vaporization techniques, but it only becomes problematic once the potency gets down to the double-digit milligram level. If you're vaping cannabis to tickle the CB1/2 receptors, there is no problem as the potency is low. If your vaping AM2201, then you better be kinda careful and titrate verrrry carefully (as the numerous reports on vaping 'Noids indicate).

With MXE, the estimation is that only about 2-3 MG of vaporized MXE actually needs to make it to the final destination. 2-3 MG vapor is actually quite a bit, and prolly it shouldn't be pushed past 6-7 for a fully robust experience.

Hope this helps! :-)
 
Yea it's extremely weak stuff. Very salty, causes runny nose, the vendor has verified that it is "fair" mxe and not up to par with previous batches. Hence the bare-bottom price I received.

Is conversion from the hcl to a base as easy as mixing with water and baking soda, as in the production of crack? I'd rather eat 500mg at once than go through the process involving hexane.

I may have built a tolerance, but I'm fairly certain it's just this batch is extremely impure. Tastes like salt. My first experience with mxe was profound. At ~100mg I felt as if I was encapsuled within a machine, living in a sea of people who simply dream their lives, as in The Matrix.
This batch hasn't been able to come close to recreating that effect at any dose. ~200mg is still weak sauce... It's frustrating to say the least.

That's why I'm interested in possibly purifying, possibly basifying, possibly vaporizing the substance... I'm tired of the massive doses this batch requires.
 
I guess you could do it like with crack, I'd use ammonia or NaOH though, and more water, say 50-100mL for up to a gram or two. Freebase MXE is probably a solid and will crystallise out, like the quote above said, so you can simply filter it and wash with fresh water, dry. Should work if the impurities are inorganic salts, not if they're other alkaloids.
 
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