I just took my last dose of norco this past Tuesday, weds I took 4 valuim, thurs I took 3, fri 2 and sat 1. I have had the prescription for anxiety from a surgery in May so I have had 30 5 mg pills which I have taken as needed a few here and there never everyday until these last couple days to help with my withdrawal. Someone said I shouldn't just stop taking that medication I have never been prescribed it before because I know of the addiction chances... I did have a medical reason for norco but have decided to deal with it differently as I don't like or want to take these pills everyday I'm actually passed all the bad and looking forward into the future I just want to make sure I won't have problems with taking the valuim like that?? It might sound like a stupid question but I'm pretty paranoid about medications . TIA
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Valuim for norco withdrawl
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Valium taken for four days straight, especially the way you took it, is not going to create any physical benzodiazepine dependence IF you have never been physically dependent on a benzodiazepine in the past. With that, you are fine. If you do take benzodiazepines every day (or even every other to every third day for those like diazepam, chlordiazepoxide, clonazepam, and others with longer half-lives) for a period of around ten days to two weeks, without sufficient periods of abstinence from benzodiazepines in between, a very modest physical dependence will, likely, begin to form, though this is the point where it is literally just formed, and may not even be noticed if stopped if it were so early in development and so very modest.
After around four weeks of regular use, as I described above, the physical dependence would, likely, be noticed upon abrupt withdrawal of the benzodiazepine, but relative to some physical dependence which some people live with, it is mild. To give an example, four weeks of using 0.75 mg to 1 mg clonazepam daily, and then stopping without any taper or such, would almost certainly result in a benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome, indicating that physical dependence is/was present, although in this hypothetical scenario, who ever would be coming off of it might experience a bit more forgetfulness than usual, a bit of restlessness, trouble falling and/or staying asleep as well, feeling generally tense (mentally and physically), maybe a feeling of being tired or worn out, sharpened senses (potentially unpleasant), maybe some jitters/twitchiness/jerkiness/jumpiness/etc., more stress over normally less stressful things, more frustration on the whole, maybe thoughts that could feel to be running too fast or too scattered, easier and more dramatic mood shifts than usual, and that type of thing.
If one were to take 20 mg diazepam daily for four weeks, about the same might be expected. Like I said, though, with clonazepam and diazepam, as examples, even if someone used either one every other day for four weeks, the same could happen, if the average dose per day were at about the same as I've mentioned. And, I am just giving the doses I gave for the sake of the example. A higher daily dose equals heavier physical dependence, as does the more regularly one takes them, and, of course, the lengthier the period of regular benzodiazepine consumption. And, I should note, too, that individuals vary in forming physical dependence to any drug, benzodiazepines included, so Mr. A could be on the same daily dose and dosing regimen as Mr. B, and both could take that dose and by that regimen for four weeks, and Mr. A might experience fairly little issue in the acute withdrawal syndrome (relative to Mr. B) with maybe fewer or less severe symptoms of withdrawal (or both), while Mr. B could be an anxious mess without the benzodiazepines, experiencing much more pronounced physical withdrawal (relative to Mr. A) with greater or more severe symptoms of withdrawal (or both).
But, I am rambling some. If you have never been physically dependent on benzodiazepines, there is no reason you would develop any withdrawal symptoms by stopping the diazepam now. You might feel a little more uncomfortable, because you are still on the very, very tail-end of an acute opiate withdrawal syndrome, and benzodiazepines are great in providing comfort during acute opiate withdrawal, but four days of continuous benzodiazepine use is not to worry over with respect to benzodiazepine dependence. Now, for the future, with using the diazepam, or other benzodiazepines, know that they do not only have the potential to cause a physical dependence so much more involved than that of the worst physical dependence to opiates, but that benzodiazepines are potentially addictive, too, so it is not all about physical dependence and only that. BE CAREFUL when using benzodiazepines -
Do not use regularly (with diazepam, even every third day could be a potential issue) for a prolonged period of time, and I would define that as about two weeks, really; make sure to give yourself a break of a few days to a week (or more) without them here and there. To use diazepam, don't use more than what takes the edge off of stress/anxiety/muscular pain/etc. - I would suggest 2.5 mg to 10 mg (start with 2.5 mg to 5 mg at a time, and go up to 10 mg doses, once you know yourself better, if you'd ever want/need to), depending on the severity of the symptom being treated and if (and how many/much) you have taken another dose or other doses of diazepam in the past few days, for even if you cannot feel a single dose last very long, diazepam does accumulate in the system for quite a while, and so if you've taken a decent amount in the past couple days, consider that a lower dose might be all you need or want. That being said, I wouldn't go above 20 mg daily (as in 20 mg in a 24 hour period), considering the assumption I have that your tolerance is very low.
And, I applaud you on getting off opiates, on the whole, including getting through the worst of it - the acute withdrawal period. I think you know your body and mind best, and if Norco wasn't right, it is safe and it is, generally, easiest to go cold turkey with most normal opiates (e.g. hydrocodone).
After around four weeks of regular use, as I described above, the physical dependence would, likely, be noticed upon abrupt withdrawal of the benzodiazepine, but relative to some physical dependence which some people live with, it is mild. To give an example, four weeks of using 0.75 mg to 1 mg clonazepam daily, and then stopping without any taper or such, would almost certainly result in a benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome, indicating that physical dependence is/was present, although in this hypothetical scenario, who ever would be coming off of it might experience a bit more forgetfulness than usual, a bit of restlessness, trouble falling and/or staying asleep as well, feeling generally tense (mentally and physically), maybe a feeling of being tired or worn out, sharpened senses (potentially unpleasant), maybe some jitters/twitchiness/jerkiness/jumpiness/etc., more stress over normally less stressful things, more frustration on the whole, maybe thoughts that could feel to be running too fast or too scattered, easier and more dramatic mood shifts than usual, and that type of thing.
If one were to take 20 mg diazepam daily for four weeks, about the same might be expected. Like I said, though, with clonazepam and diazepam, as examples, even if someone used either one every other day for four weeks, the same could happen, if the average dose per day were at about the same as I've mentioned. And, I am just giving the doses I gave for the sake of the example. A higher daily dose equals heavier physical dependence, as does the more regularly one takes them, and, of course, the lengthier the period of regular benzodiazepine consumption. And, I should note, too, that individuals vary in forming physical dependence to any drug, benzodiazepines included, so Mr. A could be on the same daily dose and dosing regimen as Mr. B, and both could take that dose and by that regimen for four weeks, and Mr. A might experience fairly little issue in the acute withdrawal syndrome (relative to Mr. B) with maybe fewer or less severe symptoms of withdrawal (or both), while Mr. B could be an anxious mess without the benzodiazepines, experiencing much more pronounced physical withdrawal (relative to Mr. A) with greater or more severe symptoms of withdrawal (or both).
But, I am rambling some. If you have never been physically dependent on benzodiazepines, there is no reason you would develop any withdrawal symptoms by stopping the diazepam now. You might feel a little more uncomfortable, because you are still on the very, very tail-end of an acute opiate withdrawal syndrome, and benzodiazepines are great in providing comfort during acute opiate withdrawal, but four days of continuous benzodiazepine use is not to worry over with respect to benzodiazepine dependence. Now, for the future, with using the diazepam, or other benzodiazepines, know that they do not only have the potential to cause a physical dependence so much more involved than that of the worst physical dependence to opiates, but that benzodiazepines are potentially addictive, too, so it is not all about physical dependence and only that. BE CAREFUL when using benzodiazepines -
Do not use regularly (with diazepam, even every third day could be a potential issue) for a prolonged period of time, and I would define that as about two weeks, really; make sure to give yourself a break of a few days to a week (or more) without them here and there. To use diazepam, don't use more than what takes the edge off of stress/anxiety/muscular pain/etc. - I would suggest 2.5 mg to 10 mg (start with 2.5 mg to 5 mg at a time, and go up to 10 mg doses, once you know yourself better, if you'd ever want/need to), depending on the severity of the symptom being treated and if (and how many/much) you have taken another dose or other doses of diazepam in the past few days, for even if you cannot feel a single dose last very long, diazepam does accumulate in the system for quite a while, and so if you've taken a decent amount in the past couple days, consider that a lower dose might be all you need or want. That being said, I wouldn't go above 20 mg daily (as in 20 mg in a 24 hour period), considering the assumption I have that your tolerance is very low.
And, I applaud you on getting off opiates, on the whole, including getting through the worst of it - the acute withdrawal period. I think you know your body and mind best, and if Norco wasn't right, it is safe and it is, generally, easiest to go cold turkey with most normal opiates (e.g. hydrocodone).
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Thank you for your response, It did kind of confuse me lol so let me say this I had a breast augmentation may 28th and was prescribed 15 pills (Valium 5mg) and one refill for the same amount for anxiety of being put under but they have me the 30 cuz the doc said that it will help my muscles heal faster after surgery. I believe I can't quite remember but I took a couple the first week maybe one a day if that.... Then a couple here and there when I had anxiety and my muscles hurt in my breasts. The first refill was done by July 7th I only know that cuz I had a flight to go on so I got the refill and took one to help me with sleep since we had 3 connecting flights over night from Cali to the Caribbean( I also gave my bf 2 he hates flying) one here and there since then up until tues I took the 10 in the 4 day period. So that's all good? Sorry I guess I kinda worry a lot, my ex was addicted to Xanax so I've always known to be careful with these he stopped abruptly and had seizures so it freaks me out. Obviously I don't know exactly how much or often he was taking it he would constantly lie to me, I just worry cuz I am a mother of a one year old and worry about being home alone with her and something happening.... Thank you so much, getting off opiates is hard but worth it in the end for me I don't want to be a lazy mother that's not me.... My pain all started after I had her, I am very petite and it just did some serious damage to my body, my doctor has advised me not to have any more kids as he thinks my ob may have been sloppy with my c section I have had surgeries to check it all and they can't seem to find the problem but I would rather be in pain then take pills everyday and then have to keep upping my dose cuz it doesn't help anymore, I've just been trying to exercise instead.
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If you are going through opiate withdrawl the benzos will not reduce the withdrawl symptoms,just help you deal with being miserable better.The main thing benzos do is help alleviate the anxiety from the opiate withdrawls.You'll still just be sick and on benzos but IME they do help that aspect somewhat and it's far better having them than not.