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Benzos Valium for K-PIN wd?

Kratomcody

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Hi I posted earlier I have been on 1 MG of Kpin for almost 7 weeks.
I have some 10mg valiums.
Should I just jump off or use valium? if so how long for valium? will there be wd using the valium as a taper?
I was suggested to use valium? why is that? Or can I just jump off.. Taking klons for 7 wks
 
Seven weeks is not too long but I've never taken klonopin regularly. If you start to feel uncomfortable or sick, valium would be nice to have to around. When was your last klonopin dose?
 
just 1 mg... u think u can just jump off ? will there be wd?

You didn't seem to be over-doing it so you might be alright. Only take the valium if you have trouble
sleeping at night or feel sick but just wait a while. You don't want to take them if not needed.
 
I was on 1 mg of klonopin for 4 weeks and jumoed off to nothing and the withdrawal was INTENSEEEEEE.... I was seeing in like tunnel vision, and everything was all weird....I was like smelling weird things..... just my experience.... I reinstated and did a slow 2 month taper....i still dont feel right in the head after the klonopin....never again..... benzo withdrawal can last months, even for people using it for a short period of time.
 
valium is what they use in many detoxes to taper people off of klonopin and other benzos. the good thing about it is it lasts a long time, although clonazepam is also long lasting so it's more of a benefit when compared to say alprazolam or lorazapam. bottom line is valium will stop your withdrawals and make you feel better, but sometimes it's best to just do it all natural, especially with low doses. realize that taking valium instead of the kpins isn't going to "ease" your withdrawal like chamomile would or loperamide does for opiates, it will stop your withdrawal all together and unless you do a proper taper when you run out of valium you will be back where you started, if you're goal is to get off benzos entirely and not substitute benzos while remaining dependent you need to either jump off completely or do a carefully regimented taper, otherwise you are just buying time.

I wish you luck, benzos are a tough kick, I suggest drinking tea and relaxing, try to keep yourself busy without overwhelming yourself, take it one day at a time and realize that although you may be on edge for the better part of a month, those feelings are just your body trying to get more drugs, and they will pass without a doubt. stay strong
 
So your saying jumping off after 7 wks on 1 mg will cause a month of wd??!

What should I expect in terms of wd?
 
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Sometimes the necessity to switch to diazepam is overly exaggerated. Both drugs have long half-lives only clonazepam has a longer duration of action. Taper your 1 milligram by 0.125 or 0.250 every few days or as long as takes until you start feeling comfortable on the dose you've tapered too. In your case a relatively quick taper should do the trick to avoid being on the benzodiazepine any longer.
 
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Sometimes the necessity to switch to diazepam is overly exaggerated. Both drugs have long half-lives only clonazepam has a longer duration of action. Taper your 1 milligram by 0.250 every few days or as long as takes until you start feeling comfortable on the dose you've tapered too. In your case a relatively quick taper should do the trick to avoid being on the benzodiazepine any longer.

Fixed. ;)
 
Whether the benzo dependence forms depends so much of the person nothing can be said really. Someone takes clonazepam for 1 weeks and gets intense WD's, other takes it for 6 months and gets nothing.

Don't jump off, use the valium for a quick taper. Diazepam is proven to be the best drug for tapering because of its active metabolites, so go for it and give your body some room to adjust.
 
Diazepam is proven to be the best drug for tapering because of its active metabolites,

Maybe so, but current medical literature and some studies suggest that clonazepam can be used effectively to taper off other benzodiazepines including diazepam.

The author concludes that clonazepam may have a role in withdrawal from high-dose alprazolam dependence

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2889723

Metabolites and half-life hold some significance but they don't mean everything. If they did than chlorodiazepoxide would be the favored benzodiazepine for tapering. I think duration of action coupled with potency can play a larger role in tapering. Eg. How long a drugs effects last and how potent are they for the entirety of that duration.

I have some studies that use different variables to determine the addictive profle of each benzodiazepine, which conclude that diazepam is in fact the most addictive benzodiazepine followed by alprazolam with clonazepam at the bottom end of that table.
 
Maybe so, but current medical literature and some studies suggest that clonazepam can be used effectively to taper off other benzodiazepines including diazepam.

ive been saying this for years. clonazepam has no metabolites. just itself. diazepam has so many that the withdrawal is awful. sure the half life is long but look at people trying to get off suboxone. clonazepam is a walk in the park compared to diazepam. from my experience anyway...
 
Maybe so, but current medical literature and some studies suggest that clonazepam can be used effectively to taper off other benzodiazepines including diazepam.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2889723

Metabolites and half-life hold some significance but they don't mean everything. If they did than chlorodiazepoxide would be the favored benzodiazepine for tapering. I think duration of action coupled with potency can play a larger role in tapering. Eg. How long a drugs effects last and how potent are they for the entirety of that duration.

I have some studies that use different variables to determine the addictive profle of each benzodiazepine, which conclude that diazepam is in fact the most addictive benzodiazepine followed by alprazolam with clonazepam at the bottom end of that table.

interestingly enough that is the number one prescribed drug in alcohol detoxes. I've been to a lot of detoxes and would often have to drink a beer before going in to get a bed, in order to prove it was a life threatening situation to the insurance company, even though i was only dependent on opiates, so every opiate detox I went through would involve librium too. I've been given klonopin instead of librium at some places, and have been given anything from hycodan cough syrup to roxicodone as the opiate taper. bottom line is most places have a drug that they ilke to use, and others think other drugs are more effective. IMO it's better to taper with a different drug than the one your addicted to.
 
Dude, please take your time tapering!!!! I was on klonopin for a month, not abusing it, 1mg a day, abruptly stopped, started hallucinating, had an inner restlessness from hell (think RLS throughout your whole body x's100) tunnel vision; I though my time was up and I was headed to the looney bin. Reinstated my benzos after my parents did some research online, felt better, and tapered off 1mg of klonopin in 2 months.... I still feel fucked in the head....I can't describe it; like souless.....crazy intrusive thoughts...anyways I reinstated AGAIN after a couple weeks of being off to valium and am doing a VERY SLOW taper from 5mg...... benzos are no joke...there is no linear progression in healing, unlike being dopesick, you can set your watch to when you're suppose to get better..... Some people take benzos for a few weeks like myself and get royally fucked..... so please be careful and go SLOW!!!
 
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