Utterly baffling situation: need help

[do_things]

I am going to call all people in this story by the location of where they are from, and I'll underline it when it's the name of a person so as to not confuse anyone.



So, Illinois knows a chemist who produces crystal LSD, which the chemist and Illinois turn into liquid LSD. Each drop supposedly contains ~200mcg of LSD-25 (or whatever the technical name may be).

Illinois tells his friend, NewYork that everyone who has taken this LSD has recounted that it was the best single-dose trip of their lives (and these testers are experienced when it comes to the drug). NewYork proceeds to order 15 vials.


I feel like this may be an appropriate place in this post to say that Illinois is NewYork's absolute best friend, and Illinois would never ripoff or lie to NewYork -- I am 100% positive of this.


I hope I still have your attention still because here comes the baffling part, the two people that NewYork have given two drops to felt absolutely NOTHING -- no effects. I mean even if you use acid regularly, you should feel feel 200mcg of LSD-25. Also, NewYork is positive that these testers are not on antidepressants, never take 5-HTP, and have not tripped or rolled in the prior week.


My question is, what other substances besides the ones listed directly above can prevent a person from tripping? Is there anything else that would prevent a person from tripping?

 

[do_things]

I've posted on this site a bunch of times but I keep forgetting my username.

 

[Toucan]

I can't think of anything else stopping them tripping, sounds like it might just be weak acid! You could try one of the other 14 vials perhaps? Have you tried it yourself yet?

 

[Jagninja]

I'm assuming by order you mean that he sent them through the mail to you so if that's the case, they could of been damaged. LSD is very sensitive. That or you got burned. I know you said that best friends but when there is that much money involved, shit happens. Get a Ehrlich test from amazon.com and you can save yourself from this kind of mess in the future.

 

[johannes kreisler]

"Utterly baffling situation: need help" and "crystal LSD". than this. scnr

(either there is no product or it is degraded...)

 

[Solipsis]

Antipsychotics can prevent LSD from acting, basically anything that has 5-HT2_A antagonistic properties.
Other substances that have a more broad or "dirty" pharmacological profile or ones that are very sedating may limit psychedelic effects.

Test with Ehrlich reagent. I must remind you that we do not allow ID threads, so let us refrain from going down that path.

I recommend that you don't investigate the possibility of two people being on strong medications - both of them! - and instead test the product with something like the Ehrlich reagent or as a crude test, UV light (blacklight) to see if it fluoresces. Get such a reagent, don't waste time waiting for responses that may only suggest possibilities, but actually check the stuff.

There are drugs that don't work when swallowed so it may be that someone is trying to pass off such drugs as LSD, hoping that the liquid will be administered sublingually or something.

Honestly, we don't really care how good the credentials are of the source. It is either LSD or it isn't and like JK and JN above suggested it may have degraded. The situation isn't baffling you just need to check a few things.

Is there anything you want from this thread that isn't speculation? Otherwise we need to close this, I'm afraid.

 

[do_things]

Antipsychotics can prevent LSD from acting, basically anything that has 5-HT2_A antagonistic properties.
Other substances that have a more broad or "dirty" pharmacological profile or ones that are very sedating may limit psychedelic effects.

Test with Ehrlich reagent. I must remind you that we do not allow ID threads, so let us refrain from going down that path.

I recommend that you don't investigate the possibility of two people being on strong medications - both of them! - and instead test the product with something like the Ehrlich reagent or as a crude test, UV light (blacklight) to see if it fluoresces. Get such a reagent, don't waste time waiting for responses that may only suggest possibilities, but actually check the stuff.

There are drugs that don't work when swallowed so it may be that someone is trying to pass off such drugs as LSD, hoping that the liquid will be administered sublingually or something.

Honestly, we don't really care how good the credentials are of the source. It is either LSD or it isn't and like JK and JN above suggested it may have degraded. The situation isn't baffling you just need to check a few things.

Is there anything you want from this thread that isn't speculation? Otherwise we need to close this, I'm afraid.

sorry, I'm not familiar with the rules; maybe someone can fill me in as to what rules i've broken, if you'd be so kind? Btw, there were 3 more testers and they all just said it didn't work. And he said he put all the drops underneath their tongue and told them to hold it there for awhile. Also, he has asked every tester before if they take any meds or supplements at all--all no.

I do have a question, is there any way to tell how good the chemical is by just using a black light? I will also suggest to NewYork to get a tester kit as well because the blacklight method probably won't work too well, I gather.

The other thing is, NewYork was fronted these vials so there would be no reason for Illinois to fuck him over.

I'm assuming by order you mean that he sent them through the mail to you so if that's the case, they could of been damaged. LSD is very sensitive. That or you got burned. I know you said that best friends but when there is that much money involved, shit happens. Get a Ehrlich test from amazon.com and you can save yourself from this kind of mess in the future.

how can it get damaged in the mail? and NewYork was fronted the vials for free so there'd be no reason for Illinois to burn him.

I can't think of anything else stopping them tripping, sounds like it might just be weak acid! You could try one of the other 14 vials perhaps? Have you tried it yourself yet?

And he's tried 5 separate vials already. He's marking them to see if any work, he tells me. I see him around once in awhile and he tells me about it all.

 

[kidklmx]

No ID-threads are officially allowed, though if you come to these forums then you'll see one popping up every other day (so that's the rule you have broken)

It's a shame you're living in the US, you can get proper testing done for a tenner in some countries...

 

[Anon0631]

Is the liquid alcohol or water based? Could be that Illinois doesn't know what he's doing and used chlorinated tap water to dissolve the crystal.

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

I do have a question, is there any way to tell how good the chemical is by just using a black light? I will also suggest to NewYork to get a tester kit as well because the blacklight method probably won't work too well, I gather.

There is no way to tell purity/potency of the vials with a blacklight, only whether LSD is present.

Side note, do the nBOME series react to blacklights?

 

[Solipsis]

While possible explanations for the situation presented could have been helpful, this is now indistinguishable from other ID threads. The story doesn't make sense, it seems that we agree with the TS about that. So then unfortunately we can't help any further except with speculation.

Blacklight would *probably* not give false positives for compounds like the NBOMe's or 5-MeO-aMT or something like that. I think the UV activity comes from excitability of pi electrons in the polycyclic structure of ergoloids that is not present in non-ergoloids. There are other possible conjugated systems besides this type that may fluoresce but I can't think of a psychedelic compound that possesses it.

Ehrlich also does not give you an idea of the purity or potency but if the product is either active for Ehrlich or blacklight then one can argue that the likelihood is bigger that LSD is present but it was dosed horribly low or has degraded an awful lot.

To answer another question: heat could ruin the product, for example if the stuff was placed next to a working engine for the duration of transit. See? Way too much speculation here.

We cannot magically know what happened or what substance is in the product or how much. A few pointers have been given how to approach this, that is as far as PD can go. Sorry. Closed.