I was unsure where to put this, so please feel free to move it if it belongs somewhere else. Anyways, my friend is moving to China soon to study for school, and I am wondering if anyone knows some of the RC laws in China. He is considering possibly experimenting with RCs, but I told him it might not be a good idea knowing its a communist country with very harsh punishments, except honestly I really don't know anything about the laws in China and I couldn't find any specific information googling. If he were to get caught with some of these new rc's would he be severely punished? I don't want to see him get the death penalty or end up spending 30 years in prison for having 2c-x or something like that. Any help would be highly appreciated, thanks guys n gals %)
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Using RCs in China?
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Dunno about the "laws" but I don't think the police in China will be that bothered about the law either. If they catch you with a drug I imagine you'll either have to pay them a fortune as a bribe or face the alternative - which will probably be execution.
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I am not exactly sure but I do think that allot less RCs are controlled in China than in other countries. Regardless of whether they are or not I'd still be very very carefull with drugs in China; even if the substance is not controlled it wont be good having a cop catch you with a baggy of white powder.
They do use the death penallity for dealing/smuggling. With personal amounts you still have long prison sentences, very high fines, and have to go rehabs facilities which are like labor camps/police run facilities.
They do use the death penallity for dealing/smuggling. With personal amounts you still have long prison sentences, very high fines, and have to go rehabs facilities which are like labor camps/police run facilities.
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grafittibob
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I have read of vendors actually selling RC's on street corners in Japan.
Although China is probably a whole different story..
Although China is probably a whole different story..
LogicSoDeveloped
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I would be afraid to risk using drugs in a foreign country. Our laws don't apply, especially since China is a communist country with strict laws, I personally would not go there but if I had to, I would avoid using drugs besides those prescribed by a doctor. Just saying, if he gets caught, the U.S. government will not be able to get him back here to safety.
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^I would be pretty frightend too especialy in Asian countries. They do not fuck around; drugs are a big deal.
Head shops in japan used sell rcs like 2c-t7, 5meo-dipt, ect; but not anymore. Street venders used even sell mushrooms but the jpanese government put a stop to that too.
Head shops in japan used sell rcs like 2c-t7, 5meo-dipt, ect; but not anymore. Street venders used even sell mushrooms but the jpanese government put a stop to that too.
Yeah Asian countries are pretty scary that way, but other certain parts of the world (some more than others) seem ok to me if you really must have it, to take something with you in the form of a small amount of liquid solution of one RC dose in a single serving hotel shampoo container or something. Perhaps small mouth wash is better because it isn't even supposed to foam. The point being that a situation where they would catch you is virtually inconceivable since RCs generally cannot be detected and there simply is no person or thing who would be suspecting of you carrying a bit of liquid that turns out to be something else. That is, unless you get caught doing very suspicious weird shit and they search you and analyze your stuff. But that would mean acting like a freaking terrorist in the first place.
Anyway smuggling drugs is in principle not condoned by me or the board, but I will admit to having taken diazepam with me in a blue liquid under false pretense and a hit of acid or two, both of which were not even used because me and my friend did not deem any situation safe enough (he had never tripped back then). It was Italy by the way, so you can see why I consider this harmless. Cannabis is so much worse in this respect because it's unmistakable to those who are familiar with it and weed often smells to high heaven. White powders in baggies or ponypacks are also naturally considered hard drugs, even if that is your way of carrying piracetam with you or whatever.
So things are not *that* simple but everyone should watch the hell out and think twice about wanting to use drugs abroad. And tripping can put you in awkward situations unless you feel you have a backup and are not in a public place. Because even forgetting for a moment about the concept of smuggling, freaking out big time could of course get you apprehended so heroic (often also meaning stupid) doses are best reconsidered.
Using psychedelics in exotic destinations sure seems like a romantic idea but it's not worth the trouble.
Anyway smuggling drugs is in principle not condoned by me or the board, but I will admit to having taken diazepam with me in a blue liquid under false pretense and a hit of acid or two, both of which were not even used because me and my friend did not deem any situation safe enough (he had never tripped back then). It was Italy by the way, so you can see why I consider this harmless. Cannabis is so much worse in this respect because it's unmistakable to those who are familiar with it and weed often smells to high heaven. White powders in baggies or ponypacks are also naturally considered hard drugs, even if that is your way of carrying piracetam with you or whatever.
So things are not *that* simple but everyone should watch the hell out and think twice about wanting to use drugs abroad. And tripping can put you in awkward situations unless you feel you have a backup and are not in a public place. Because even forgetting for a moment about the concept of smuggling, freaking out big time could of course get you apprehended so heroic (often also meaning stupid) doses are best reconsidered.
Using psychedelics in exotic destinations sure seems like a romantic idea but it's not worth the trouble.
limonov
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I've never been to China (I have been to Hong Kong, though this was when it was British in the early '90s), so I personally can't give you much advice; however, as lucky would have it, my partner lived in Beijing for about 2 years and travelled extensively through China during her stay, as well as partaking in some illict goods.
First things first- 'drugs' are different in China. Drugs are illegal, no one really takes drugs openly or talks about it- it's like stepping back into 1950s US. Yes, there are millions of junkies, but you ain't gonna see them, everything is very underground, very taboo and when you're dealing with drugs you are dealing with the deepest pits of the Chinese underworld (which is saying something once you realise that the CCP operates like the mafia). In China drugs = opium/heroin, there is a LOT of historical baggage (opium = opium wars = the west trying to destroy the middle kingdom. drugs = west trying to destroy glorious socialism with chinese characteristics- china number one!), this is particularly true of the Han. Some ethnic groups smoke cannabis/hash (Uyghurs seem to make/sell/consume most of the local hash), and this is more 'open' than other drugs, but at the same time you're dealing with all sorts of ethnic differences that you're probably not aware of- hash happens in Uyghur areas. If you talk about 'psychedelics' or 'soft drugs' no one is gonna understand what the fuck you mean- I can't emphasise this enough, the complete cultural difference in dealing with drugs. If ANY Han chinese EVER offers you, for instance, heroin you give them a lecture about the opium wars and tell them to FUCK off because they ARE trying to extort you. The CCP and the mafia are the same thing.
Ok, so you'd think that this would mean drugs = no in China. Well, no really. The culture and society is different, but China itself is essentially lawless. Like, it is an authoritarian society, you notice that the state is much more in your face and more 'there' (a lot of people in government issued uniforms doing different jobs), but the power of the central-authorities is heavily reliant on teh whim of the infinately more corrupt local politicians. This means that the laws don't apply most of the time. I mean, do you know how many murders there are in China? There is this lake in Beijing that all the bodies are dumped in because there are no security cameras in the area and it's very, very high density (shanty town)- dozens are dragged out by locals every day and none of them are investigated, you have to pay the police to investigate crimes. Maybe it's the state murdering these people, don't ask questions.
If you really want to take drugs in China my partner says the trick is to not involve any locals in your consumption. This isn't hard- firstly, you buy drugs exclusively off foreigners. Nigerians, Angolans, Somali and other Africans do the bulk of the dealing in China. You may scoff, but it's true- atleast in Beijing. Most of them are in someway related to someone with some dealings with some African embassy- their 2nd cousin is a secretary for the Nigerian Ambassator in China so they bought a visa. This is pretty safe, although many of them are more interested in marrying you (if you're a woman) or stealing your credit card. They sell cocaine (cocaine is THE expat drug), opium/heroin (quality varies more than elsewhere in Asia, you can end up with real shit unlike Cambodia where you get sand or the most fireass shit you have ever tasted), hash (quality varies HUGELY, the local soap-bar like hash is called 'battery acid hash' and is reputably bulked up with sulfuric acid, although I doubt this- avoid. It's mainly from Xinjiang and turkish/lebanese style hash, you wanna go for the blondest stuff they have- usually they have 3-4 types to pick from) and very occasionally meth (high quality crystal from Japan/NKorea/Burma/Malaysia) or 'yaba' type speed pills that they'll probably tell you are esctasy.
Anyway, RC's are irrelevant in China- yes, your powder may be completely legal, but that doesn't matter one fucking bit. If you get caught with what the police assume to be some form drug you WILL be arrested you WILL be charged to the fullest extent of Chinese law you WILL NOT recieve any special treatment and your govenement WILL NOT do a fucking thing to help you. A person my partner knows (a westerner, from Montreal in Canada- fortunately could speak very good Chinese) violated his visa, overstayed for 3 weeks, was arrested and spent 6 weeks in a labour camp about 6 hours (around 50-75km, there is a traffic jam so big you can see it from space consistantly going into Beijing) outside of beijing while being held before his formal expulsion from the country. He was deported to Hong Kong, applied for a new visa and crossed back into the PRC without issue. The way they fuck you doesn't even make sense!
I'd do it, I'd fucking love to be peaking on 6mg of DOC while all of the universe collapses in on itself while walking through a Uyghur shanty town in Beijing...but I'm a fucking idiot and compulsive risk taker. I think that you should think really fucking hard about what you're doing- unless you particularly want to experience being under the influence of drugs within a authoritarian socialist society then it's probably not going to be as great as you'd imagine. You'll probably just be paranoid as fuck and get really mopey after the 85th Han calls you a 'Fucking cunt foreigner' as a general epithet for your existance today.
First things first- 'drugs' are different in China. Drugs are illegal, no one really takes drugs openly or talks about it- it's like stepping back into 1950s US. Yes, there are millions of junkies, but you ain't gonna see them, everything is very underground, very taboo and when you're dealing with drugs you are dealing with the deepest pits of the Chinese underworld (which is saying something once you realise that the CCP operates like the mafia). In China drugs = opium/heroin, there is a LOT of historical baggage (opium = opium wars = the west trying to destroy the middle kingdom. drugs = west trying to destroy glorious socialism with chinese characteristics- china number one!), this is particularly true of the Han. Some ethnic groups smoke cannabis/hash (Uyghurs seem to make/sell/consume most of the local hash), and this is more 'open' than other drugs, but at the same time you're dealing with all sorts of ethnic differences that you're probably not aware of- hash happens in Uyghur areas. If you talk about 'psychedelics' or 'soft drugs' no one is gonna understand what the fuck you mean- I can't emphasise this enough, the complete cultural difference in dealing with drugs. If ANY Han chinese EVER offers you, for instance, heroin you give them a lecture about the opium wars and tell them to FUCK off because they ARE trying to extort you. The CCP and the mafia are the same thing.
Ok, so you'd think that this would mean drugs = no in China. Well, no really. The culture and society is different, but China itself is essentially lawless. Like, it is an authoritarian society, you notice that the state is much more in your face and more 'there' (a lot of people in government issued uniforms doing different jobs), but the power of the central-authorities is heavily reliant on teh whim of the infinately more corrupt local politicians. This means that the laws don't apply most of the time. I mean, do you know how many murders there are in China? There is this lake in Beijing that all the bodies are dumped in because there are no security cameras in the area and it's very, very high density (shanty town)- dozens are dragged out by locals every day and none of them are investigated, you have to pay the police to investigate crimes. Maybe it's the state murdering these people, don't ask questions.
If you really want to take drugs in China my partner says the trick is to not involve any locals in your consumption. This isn't hard- firstly, you buy drugs exclusively off foreigners. Nigerians, Angolans, Somali and other Africans do the bulk of the dealing in China. You may scoff, but it's true- atleast in Beijing. Most of them are in someway related to someone with some dealings with some African embassy- their 2nd cousin is a secretary for the Nigerian Ambassator in China so they bought a visa. This is pretty safe, although many of them are more interested in marrying you (if you're a woman) or stealing your credit card. They sell cocaine (cocaine is THE expat drug), opium/heroin (quality varies more than elsewhere in Asia, you can end up with real shit unlike Cambodia where you get sand or the most fireass shit you have ever tasted), hash (quality varies HUGELY, the local soap-bar like hash is called 'battery acid hash' and is reputably bulked up with sulfuric acid, although I doubt this- avoid. It's mainly from Xinjiang and turkish/lebanese style hash, you wanna go for the blondest stuff they have- usually they have 3-4 types to pick from) and very occasionally meth (high quality crystal from Japan/NKorea/Burma/Malaysia) or 'yaba' type speed pills that they'll probably tell you are esctasy.
Anyway, RC's are irrelevant in China- yes, your powder may be completely legal, but that doesn't matter one fucking bit. If you get caught with what the police assume to be some form drug you WILL be arrested you WILL be charged to the fullest extent of Chinese law you WILL NOT recieve any special treatment and your govenement WILL NOT do a fucking thing to help you. A person my partner knows (a westerner, from Montreal in Canada- fortunately could speak very good Chinese) violated his visa, overstayed for 3 weeks, was arrested and spent 6 weeks in a labour camp about 6 hours (around 50-75km, there is a traffic jam so big you can see it from space consistantly going into Beijing) outside of beijing while being held before his formal expulsion from the country. He was deported to Hong Kong, applied for a new visa and crossed back into the PRC without issue. The way they fuck you doesn't even make sense!
I'd do it, I'd fucking love to be peaking on 6mg of DOC while all of the universe collapses in on itself while walking through a Uyghur shanty town in Beijing...but I'm a fucking idiot and compulsive risk taker. I think that you should think really fucking hard about what you're doing- unless you particularly want to experience being under the influence of drugs within a authoritarian socialist society then it's probably not going to be as great as you'd imagine. You'll probably just be paranoid as fuck and get really mopey after the 85th Han calls you a 'Fucking cunt foreigner' as a general epithet for your existance today.
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Ostensibly.
The trouble is the police are pretty much a law unto themselves - so that means any "laws" that exist will be enforced depending on the cop who catches you. If you arn't happy with the cop don't think you can complain to anyone - they'll just drag you into a cell and kick you until you stop breathing.
The last thing I heard was the prisons were executing people and then selling their corpses for medical research without even bothering to tell the families. That's the kind of rights alleged criminals have in China.
First rule in rc business. Never sell to your friends and never sell inside your own country. Yes the laboratories are in china BUT that won't make the seller call you in for a tea. The only way for this you need much money and tell him that you want to buy big. It's still a little fucked up there system wise but thats going to change as much as here sooner or later.
LogicSoDeveloped
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That was a damn interesting read, limonov. I believe that "Yaba" contains methamphetamine, at least from watching a documentary or two. I hear its a really big issue in Asia, esp. in Japan where I hear they are easier to get away with abusing than say, cannabis. Plus, I think speed goes with the culture. It is very competitive over there. My grandmother is japanese and talked about how from the time she was born, she was competing with classmates in school. She talked about how there were 4 high schools in the area, each with different levels of students in relation to their skill and grades. She said she was able to get in the best and was the first in her family to do so and was highly praised for this. This changed when she had to drop out to help her family during the war.
I could see stimulants being abused as a way to have an extra boost to excel as there are so many people aiming for the same target when it comes to good jobs.
I could see stimulants being abused as a way to have an extra boost to excel as there are so many people aiming for the same target when it comes to good jobs.
rkay49
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Two thumbs up, great read!
plusfourpirate
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yeah i would thik going to china and simply trying to integrate would be a trip in itself..
could you imagine tripping balls not knowing how to read or speak the language? just a bunch of signs w wierd symbols on them and ppl screaming completely alien things all around you..probably lookin at you funny too if youre any ethnicity other than asian.. some cop spots you looking around in confusion and starts screaming at you in a language you cant understand..next thing you know youre being searched and put into jail..
yeah i hate to be a debbie downer but if i was gonna trip out there id at least make sure i had an english speaking friend native to the area...4sho!
could you imagine tripping balls not knowing how to read or speak the language? just a bunch of signs w wierd symbols on them and ppl screaming completely alien things all around you..probably lookin at you funny too if youre any ethnicity other than asian.. some cop spots you looking around in confusion and starts screaming at you in a language you cant understand..next thing you know youre being searched and put into jail..
yeah i hate to be a debbie downer but if i was gonna trip out there id at least make sure i had an english speaking friend native to the area...4sho!
Incunabula
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Yeah, Yaba is methamphetamine in pill form, it´s the most common drug in Thailand, and Yaba is the thai word for it. On the phillipines were it´s also very common it´s called shabu. I don´t know what the japanese call it though.
Methamphetamine in south east asia is made in Burma, by some of the rebellious tribes, to fund their war against the military dictatorship. It´s then smuggled to Thailand by foot through the jungle. I believe it´s even a bigger problem there than Heroin and opium.
