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Using psyches to beat drug addictions??

HeavilySedated

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Hi!
I've read on several places that different psychedelic drugs could potentially aid detoxing off of addictive drugs, in both physical and psychological aspects. Often cited examples are Ibogaine and Salvia Divinorum.

Now this is something that really sets my mind off. But why not? If psyches can alter thoughts and behavior patterns lastingly, than it goes to reason that it could also be able to affect drug seeking and habit forming behaviors, at least on a psychological level.

Let's try to think a bit about how addictions work. There's the physical aspect, that's when the body becomes physically ill when it's underexposed to the substance, and the mental part, which is the more curios one.

Psychological dependence is a lot like falling in love. Evolutionarily, we are built to crave indefinitely for that dopamine kick. Whether it's food, sex or material goods, surviving in nature meant that we had to learn how to always want more in order to beat the natural selection competition.

Ironically, in our modern society of abundance, this mechanism is backfiring. This is ultimately the reason for which people become monstrously obese, solicit prostitution and start wars over land and oil.

SO, my theory is that psychedelic drugs act by changing the way the mind works. The nature of our existence is to seek, without it we wouldn't make any progress in life. However, the alternative lifestyle of psyche use and/or meditation practice diverts this basic impulse into more spiritual heights.

My question is, do you think psychedelic drugs can alleviate substance addiction? Has it ever helped you in that regard?
Right now I'm in the process of weaning off a nicotine dependency, and let me tell you, it's hell. Not because it's hard on the body, but because it's hard on my mind. Every time I give into buying another pack, it makes me feel like I don't have a backbone, like I'm powerless over it. How can I use the experience of a psyche to rid myself of this bad habit?
 
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This actually works and I can attest to it, acid trip around 16 years of age made me never want to abuse opiates IV again, and I never did. Used opiates in other ways a few times since but really they lost their value for me after that trip.
 
This actually works and I can attest to it, acid trip around 16 years of age made me never want to abuse opiates IV again, and I never did. Used opiates in other ways a few times since but really they lost their value for me after that trip.

I'm interested to know how that rolled out? Were you thinking about it during the trip and that made you realize you have to stop it? Did it happen as a process that continuing after the trip ended, or was it just like a swing of a wand?
 
Just posted this in another similar topic but figured I'd post it here too.

About 4 years of general addiction problems were cured, or at the very least re-evaluated in about 3-4 trips on LSD, my most recent addiction was IV heroin before LSD made me take a good hard look at it all. Also, while I was in a heavily drug induced mindset (brought about by long time abuse of alcohol, marijuana, dissociates, pills of all sorts (i.e. pain pills of all kinds, benzos, and a bunch of other types)) accidental ingestion of 8 pretty strong tabs of LSD as my first LSD trip ever led me into a thought spiral downward where I realized how little brain functioning was actually going on while I was abusing all those different drugs. After the spiral the trip led me to the decision that I should go to rehad, which I never followed up with actually going after the trip. I ended up blocking out that trip as best I could from my memory because I just viewed it as a 'bad trip' that I had that was only brought about because of the accidental taking of so much. Pretty much stayed away from LSD for awhile after that, or did very low amounts. I did end up going to rehab for 10 months in a 4 month minimum outpatient program because of legal issues in stealing pharmaceuticals awhile after that trip, where I ended up getting kicked out for having 3-4 dirty screens evenly spaced out. They said I either had to leave the program or go to impatient for about a year. I went back to court and they cleared me because the last failed test for alcohol, and the criminal charge was drug related, also my parents were there to say how much better I had become. Really though after I got out of rehab, I ended up losing my girlfriend and started doing a lot of drugs seen as 'harder' drugs and more often. Started using oxycontins and opanas which led me to heroin. I immediately started IV'ing soon after initial trial, and soon started doing $100+ a day of the substance regularly.. After going down this path for awhile I tripped again with a very spiritual friend of mine and we did quite a large amount of LSD. I had a terrible experience and found my self very foggy (perception wise) and did not having anything resembling a mind I would like to have. After this and also some deep inner contemplation of myself in a sober (or at least as sober as I could be after about 5 years of pretty bad drug abuse) mind I found that I had lost something that I prided myself for, myself, my personality. Realizing this I found that I had been slowly going in this direction for a long time, to different degrees depending on the substances I was abusing, but still. After about 3 months of stopping contact with all drugs I found my way back to a healthy mind. During these three months I had about 3-4 LSD trips, each highlighting different degrees of new found perception shifts, and 'moments of clarity' which helped me be a better son for my parents, a more productive worker at my job, and all in all just a better or at least more kind individual. A 'real' person. I had kind of just become fake, not really interacting with my environment in anyway, at least letting it soak in, more just reacting to others. I had numbed most of my senses over the years and it was really refreshing to get them back, and LSD just really helped me notice it.
 
Ketamine had helped me overcome a raging amphetamine addiction...
well, it was more than that, it helped me stop using amphets, pharmaceutical stims/opiates, opium...

Granted using a new potentially addictive substance to defeat another is risky....

Psychedelics, mushrooms mostly, helped me take a grand look at myself in the past, it made me aware and admit to my drug issues, I only wish I'd listened more and stopped using harder stuff a while back... for the sake of the people and family around me, and my own brain
 
I'm interested to know how that rolled out? Were you thinking about it during the trip and that made you realize you have to stop it? Did it happen as a process that continuing after the trip ended, or was it just like a swing of a wand?

I couldn't tell you what I was thinking during the trip. I was at a friends house for a while then me and the two others that were tripping got really claustrophobic in the house so we went on a bike ride that was potentially very dangerous and could have ended badly. Went to the beach and sat beneath a tree, the roots seemed to slither and crawl beneath us it was fucking cool. The next day and over the next few months I really didn't feel cravings for opiates anymore, I smoked weed at night to calm my nerves (something I still do, legally, living in California). I don't really know how to describe it but it just really killed any desire to fuck around with life endangering substances, I felt like I saw a glimpse of eternity and thought it would be torture for the souls closest to me to end my life in such a selfish way. Friend of mine ended up OD'ing and losing some brain function about a year later and that really cemented the idea that, for me, chasing an opiate high is not worth the risk and having done opiates since I really just feel sick on them. I see no more value in the high, I suppose looking at it from a pre-expanded mind state was different/felt more euphoric.

EDIT: I mean, it was still a process. Looking back I still had bridges I had to burn (2 dollar 8mg dilaudid connect I told that dude to fuck off), I think that is an important process for the opiate addict is tossing negative influences to the side. Realizing that if you keep those people in your life you are more likely to be corrupted by them. It wasn't JUST the acid, it was still an active decision "ok I can't fuck around like this anymore" and changing my behavior accordingly. It was so long ago now its a very distant chapter in my life, a dark time where I made a lot of stupid decisions. Ended up being an impulsive decision to buy some cheap (and very potent) blotter that saved me.

Good luck.
 
This is something I find really interesting. A potential "cure" for addiction at the psychological source - or something close to it. None of this is a personal problem, (nor do I ever see it as being), but I'm sure I'll know people later in life that have addictions and in need of help.

I think a lot of people are skeptical of getting over one drug with another, but I suppose the idea is that it's not merely the drug that cures; it's the profound mental state facilitated by the drug that lets the magic happen.

Eager to hear stories, but also unsuccessful stories too for the sake of consideration.
 
Psychedelics, mushrooms mostly, helped me take a grand look at myself in the past, it made me aware and admit to my drug issues, I only wish I'd listened more and stopped using harder stuff a while back... for the sake of the people and family around me, and my own brain

Drug Rehab
 
Interestingly enough, both Salvia Divinorum and ibogaine are full kappa opioid receptor agonists. There is scientific basis to believe that this is the action responsible for the alleviation of the withdrawal symptoms of opiates that these two drugs produce.

Apparently addiction is stored in the brain like a memory. Perhaps by pressing some sort of a mental reset button, those drugs can make a person simply 'forget' about his addictions.
 
Recently I met a childhood-friend of 2 close friends of mine... he's been heavily addicted to heroin over the past year and ruined his life - spends his days smoking and lying down wasted in the park... up to a gram a day...

We were out in the park and my friends hadn't seen him in a month, we saw him and he was completley fucked, we had a good talking to him because my friends couldn't stand to see him like this... They knew I used to have drug-addiction problems, and I had opium/opiate pharm addiction in the past but never used heroin (gladly)

We talked and hung out with him for a while, my friends want me to get him medicine (Ketamine helped me off) and help him but I'm leaving town in a few weeks time... breaks my heart to see somebody that threw away his life (He had a amazing voice for singing, even when wasted on smack, and had a job and had plans lined up in the near future before his addiction-he already sang for a few tv stations here...)

I'm planning on having a Mescaline trip of my own soon.. I'm wondering if any ex-heroin addicts have gone off and slowly eased off their addiction after a therapeutic psychedelic trip, i'm thinking of having this trip with this addict... I ask because I've only used Opium, Morphine, Tramadole, Codiene...
I hated withdrawls and it drew me off them, but I hear its 10x worse with heroin...?
I really wish to help him and others through therapy and psychedelics (Sending research to MAPS if they are interested later on..) and hopefully finding a solution to this dreaded disease derived from bleeding the milky sap from the Poppy plant...

The easy availability of heroin and opium here creates many MANY addicts... I've seen many kids aged 6-13 clearly using smack and asking for change - likley to get a fix, I've also seen old men in their 30's/40's out of their mind, wanting nothing but their fix..
Wasted lives...
 
LSD was used and researched through the 50s as a treatment for alcoholism. Eventually they stopped it because it was completly innefective (at least statisticaly). Ibogain has also been researched as an anti-addictive for both alcohol and opiates. Again not to promising for long term abstinance. ...... .... P.S. - sidenote LSD was tested as a treatment or cure hor homosexuality at one time .. Again not effective LOL
 
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I can certainly see LSD helping with drug addiction. However, I can't see salvia helping much of anything. Unless it does something physical like HeavilySedated mentioned, I can't imagine salvia causing a break through like that. For me at least, it's so fucked up and removed from reality that I can't seem to ever relate my trips to anything real.
 
I have a firm stance on the legalization of lsd to cure alcoholism - the worst drug ever
*sips beer*
 
alcoholism

Im an alcoholic and Ive used many psychedelics. It doesnt work to treat addiction lets face it.
 
^ Everyone is different, and some people quite smoking after powerful trip.
 
I was physically dependent on iv heroin and suboxone since 2/06 and oxycontin 10/04. I did 4meopcp (100mg recetal), 100mgs of methoxetamine (mxe), and a little methadone over a 3 day span to get rid of my physical dependence.

I relapsed on iv h. And this time only used mxe, about 3/4 gram iv'd over about 5 days, followed by ketamine. And got rid of the physical addiction to opiates.

I relapsed again on iv h. and this time only used ketamine (3g) and about .5g of mxe over about 2days and no more physical dependence on opiates again.

So its been about 4 weeks and I have only chipped about twice a week the first 2 weeks, and once a week the last 2 weeks. I think that maybe a low dose mxe or ketamine or 4meopcp (like maybe 10mgs so i can still function) may help curb my cravings.

I believe that psychedelic use in this matter has a genuine neuropharmalogical basis like ibogaine does and it isnt about just a realization to motivate me to stop.
 
Well, there won't be a miracle cure for it, there needs some support from friends/family IMO, Plus I don't believe switching from using one substance to another is very effective, the way I see it is once the person notices the problem, and they find the motivation to quit they will do so...

sort of like what SKL posted... that sums it up nicely..

I may look into Ibogaine treatment for him if its possible to get it here, maybe one day open a clinic or work with the off one of the few rehab centres with Ibogaine treatment as I heard its promising to some

P.S Alcoholism isn't really bad unless the person becomes such a drunkard their livers actually do end up damaged/brain damage/life ruins because of 24/7 uncontrollable drunkness.... <--Thats when its in a issue

Im pretty sure if you drink every week your considered an Alcoholic? I think they need to redefine that shit..
 
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