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Using psychedelics to break a meth habit??

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Hey all, So this really isn't about me it's about a friend of a friend who I guess has gone really down hill with meth abuse. He has been hospitalized already from hallucinating that he was infested with termites and now is out and bug chasing. :-/

I know pyschedelics can be used to treat opiate addiction and suchness but I've never heard of their use to treat meth/amphetamine addiction specifically. I have some mushrooms and some 4-aco-DMT and wonder if I took this kid on a guided trip if I could help him at all or would I just be wasting my time and my tryptamines? I don't have monies at the moment to pick up some iboga or I would.
 
I won't claim that it will work for everyone but my experiences with 2C-E have caused a significant decrease in my amphetamine usage. I am talking about pharmaceutical amphetamine instead of meth though. I don't think psychedelics are going to help fix your problems unless you want to fix them. I really wanted to decrease my intake and 2C-E caused me to go from using daily to using once or twice a week.
 
I dunno hyper, I think it takes a one in a million person to have this kind of epiphany after one use of a drug. Even a great psychedelic experience can't sustain someone in a good mood for longer than a week or two. Eventually you have to get up at 5am in the pissing rain and go to work. Even psychedelics can't help you then.

But I think if you have regular access to psychedelics then they can certainly help you keep a good mood. Psilocybin in particular is an excellent anti-depressant when used regularly. But I can't see one trip curing someones addiction. Give it a try by all means.
 
Your friend does NOT need anymore drugs. He needs to want to be sober, you can't do that for him.
 
trip.more said:
Your friend does NOT need anymore drugs. He needs to want to be sober, you can't do that for him.
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While my experience with LSD helping me see that I needed to be rid of my opiate addiction makes me want to advocate someone else trying it I dare say the above would be a more realistic approach. While it helped me every time I have advocated it to a friend so that it may help them it was not well received.. One friend attempted suicide, another was scratching his head wondering why he still wanted to do smack the next day. While psychedelics may encourage one into introspection leading to realization and resolve to improve oneself this kind of willingness to change is sadly a rarity. I would say see if your friend can come down a bit on his own, once he's stable and at his senses an LSD trip might prove strengthening to his resolve, but I'd say be very hesitant to give it to him..
 
COol. thanks for your input guys. I'm just so sick of watching my friends destroy themselves with amphetamines and opiates. I'm at the point where it just makes me angry that I can't do anything for them.
 
Hmm, I don't think it would be wise to be honest. If your friend has been using meth heavily then he's likely to be suffering from a certain amount of amphetamine psychosis. This is NOT a good mindset to have when embarking on a psychedelic experience.

Although psychedelics can help break addiction to a certain extent, especially to opiates, amphetamines and psychedelics do not really mix in my experience.
 
Psychedelics are no panacea for addiction, however, if this is something that your friend wants to do it may be worthwhile to try. If this is something that you're pushing on him, I'd be more hesitant to condone it.

How much previous psychedelic experience does he have, if it's only a few trips, were they positive? If this person doesn't have a history of getting positive or meaningful experiences from these drugs, it would be a very bold move to jump to them for therapy.

I'm just so sick of watching my friends destroy themselves with amphetamines and opiates.
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Folks got their own issues, personally I don't regret my periods of addiction/self-destructive drug use at all. I had reasons for what I did at the time, and it really was/is better than dealing with acute periods of anomie sober. All things come in their proper season.
 
psychedelics only provide you with an idea. once the after effects wear off, it becomes a bit harder to maintain the changes... then, you may end up being psychologically addicted to psychedelics or get a horrendous bad trip.

I don't recommend using traditional psychedelics as a means to break drug habits... if you keep failing at quitting, the trips get worse and less helpful.

I've had some success with dissosiatives but they have a higher potential for addiction than psychedelics.
 
After doing LSD one time it made me severely reduce my Ketamine intake for a while. Like not doing any for over a month then I fell back into the hole.The last time I did a huge amount of acid and smoked dmt and a massive bong hit and ended up in an EMT tent, not exactly humbling when the person trying to treat you is like "Yup, he's gone. Can't understand anything" but I really was gone, all I could say was "What? I don't even?" over and over. Thats severely fucked with me and made my addiction worse.

Go and seek professional help, mentally he won't be able to handle LSD and it could mess him up even worse. My one friend wouldn't touch acid when he was in a heavy opiate addiction.
 
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Probably because he didn't want to have to take an honest look at himself. Not that doing so would have helped him.
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It wouldn't have helped him, he's burned pretty much every bridge he's built. And he owes me lots of money because I tried to help him out cause I thought he was a good guy.
 
I wouldn't say this about any other drug I've used, but I'd put money on the chance that your addict friend would be clean after... say, four trips on ayahuasca. He has to actually brew the ayahuasca himself, from unprocessed caapi vine and psychotria viridis leaf. And "pharmahuasca" - MAOI and DMT in pills / gelcaps - doesn't count. (The process of cooking and drinking the brew itself is important, in addition to its psychedelic effects.)
 
i can't speak for anyone else, but once i found a solid LSD connection, i stopped using meth.

i was definitely "addicted" to my several-times-a-week meth use (depending on what you define "addiction" as - i really struggled not to take it).
after tripping a few times, the whole fiedning, neurotic scraping-the-last-dregs-out-of-the-bag, compulsive behaviours and chasing of a cheap rush seemed really unappealing.
tripping opened my eyes to what a dead-end street my meth use had become. i haven't had any more than a tiny dabble with it since.

two different drugs, two totally different mindsets.
i should mention that my girlfriend of the time went through the same experience as i.
we were both probably trying to quit anyway, but replacing it (short-term, i should stress) with LSD made stopping so easy..

but some cats are more wired for speed. won't work for everybody - there are no quick fixes for things like addiction.
i don't see how trying it is a terrible idea though, if the set and setting is sound.
 
Dude, don't replace one drug with another. Been there done it heaps of times. To quit meth ppl can definately benefit from antidepressants in the initial phases. The only way to quit narcotics is to not touch any type, not even alcohol cause sooner or later u will be back on some gear. Need really good support. Possible inpatient detox to break the cycle and maybe rehab.

The reason so many can't stop is because you feel depressed and like shit for sooo long after stopping. Can take a couple of years to get the brain back to normal. Humans aren't made to run off that shit lol I blew my brains out with it like 6 yrs ago.
 
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It hasn't affected my stimulant habbit, but I'm pretty useless without stimulants. I'm a functional rather than recreational stimulant user: low doses, consistant doses used for work, and I avoid stimulant euphoria.
 
Maybe, but he has to WANT to get clean. Also, taking a psychedelic in an uncontrolled environment when depressed (or full-on psychotic as meth abusers tend to be) can have disastrous effects. If you go through with it, make sure he's well-rested and in a decent headspace.
 
I've been hucked on ;
Canabis
Alchol
Amphetamine
Mdma
Smack
Mcat
And
Psychedlics
Over the last 15 year

I think psychedlics was least harmfull to my real life

So in terms of swapping one drug for another its not a bad move
And its easer to kick

But as someone said his head prob in a bad to trip
 
gymstud said:
I've been hucked on ;
Canabis
Alchol
Amphetamine
Mdma
Smack
Mcat
And
Psychedlics
Over the last 15 year

I think psychedlics was least harmfull to my real life

So in terms of swapping one drug for another its not a bad move
And its easer to kick

But as someone said his head prob in a bad to trip
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I've had a go on all of them too. It may be easier to get off. No doubt! but I just found that after quitting meth I always had to have some substance. And while getting fucked on everything else made it easier for me to justify having meth again. Its not the substance we r addicted to, its feeling more comfortable with ourselves!
 
I introduced a friend, ex meth addict, to dmt one afternoon a year or so back.

It was after a pharma trip, and they came to pick me up and were like wtf are you on man. I told them it was dmt, and i had some freebase if they were open to smoalk some, one was willing.

I had a particularly rough time that afternoon, one of those suddenly hit with another wave of the pharma when i thought i was out of the woods, on top of smoalking dmt with the friend. One of the most frightening expirences i had.

Back on topic though, the friend really enjoyed the expirence, and was raving about it for a few weeks afterwards. I was hesitant to provide him with any, and adamant about not smoalking for a while as well. A few weeks later, this friend when through some rough shit with his job, relationships, and issues with close friends he was living with at the time, and then moved to his hometown ~100mi away to get away from it all. I soon learned he was using meth once again, and when i saw him a few weeks later it was pretty obvious he was back in his addiction.

Now i'm not saying the dmt trip caused all this, not by a long shot. It just lingers in the back of my mind, as he was really only drinking and smoking weed at the time, and then here come some dmt, and he takes a massive trip. Then shit happens in his life shortly after and he falls back into addictive habits. He went through plenty of rough shit before then while abstaining from meth and kept a cool head and made it though. I don't blame myself, and i never really got a chance to talk to him about these thoughts, as we've fallen out, but you have to be careful.

Its the individuals that want to take whatever they can get their hands on, even if they don't know much about it, that you need to watch out for. The people that want to use it just to trip, escape, or whatever compared to using it as a tool to look at their life, and how they can improve. Those who want to use it as another perspective, window to look out of, they will be the ones who are left with a big mental dillema from seeing how their addiction affects them and those around them. Thats where your going to get anti-addictive affects from psychadelics.

But its hard to go into a trip with those intentions not addicted to meth, and even harder to make the changes you know HAVE to be made, because its the truth, what you were running away from in your addiciton. Theres still those that can ignore the truth when its right in front of their face though, and not everyone has one of those addiction breaking appifanies when they trip.

Its a situation/person dependant variable. If they really want to change, psychs can be a valuable tool if used correctly. If not, well you can break your thumb with a hammer, or build a house. You can cut a finger off with a skillsaw, or put a roof on that house. Every tool can be misused, and if its on a project like freeing yourself from an addiction, then you can fuck up the whole process by tripping incorrectly, or using psychadelic tools incorrectly.
 
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