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Using pipes to smoke bad in the longrun? My lungs feel bad.

MasterVampire

MasterVampire

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So Ive been a smoker for the past 6 years.

I mostly smoke using a pipe because its small and compact and I can hide it easily from my family.
I do perfer bongs but I just cant keep one around since its too hard to hide and too much effort to use.
What I mean by that is I'll quickly go outside, whip out my pipe, have a smoke and then come back inside.
For my purposes its alot more practical.

But after smoking like this for so long my lungs really feel like they are sore.
Some times it will get clogged so I'll have to suck harder which I'm sure isn't good for the lungs aswell.

Im just wondering with a bong you have the water to act as a filter, the pipe doesn't have one so since I've been smoking with it for 6 years, would I have more damage then someone who is using a bong all that time?
 
I'd say smoking from a pipe is much better than smoking pot as a joint.

As for bongs, water doesn't do shit... other than make your smoke smoother, so I'd say it's just as bad as smoking a pipe.

You inhale the smoke much, much more with a bong, so parts which normally aren't subjected to smoke get affected.

Think about cigarettes man, they generally affect the upper respiratory tract, rather than lower respiratory tract. The idea of a bong is to be able to take more smoke, you inhale deeper.

If you have good connections, I'd say try edibles.

Do you smoke cigarettes too?
 
Read

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/648794-My-lungs-are-totally-shot-need-suggestions

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/500732-MEGA-Vaporizers-Thread

ime a good bong is a hell of a lot better than a pipe! as for the water doesnt do shit, yeh whatever (if nothing else the water at least cools the smoke before it hits your throat / lungs)...the problem with bongs is everyone wants to rip the biggest baddest lung full whicj is obviously not so good...use a bong just pack smaller bowls or cones...

everyone here is going to tell you to invest in a vaporizer! i havnt got one so i cant really comment, everyone says they are the goods though!

but yeh i hate pipes there is no way imo a pipe is any healthier than a bong, thats just straight up bs what filter system does a pipe have...noone...just rip smaller lungfulls from the bong...double chamber bong is also a lot better again ime

maybe just give yourself a break from the ganja son...you will survive without it and you will probably end up with a whole lot of extra cash which you could use to eat/live a healthier lifestyle.

you know smoking causes cancer right? haha

best advice give it a break, invest in a quality bong / vape and do some cardio exercise like running / swimming to break up the shit in your lungs...maybe asthma puffer like ventolin might help open your airways and help emit the shit

have you ever sucked a bong or pipe for that matter with a hanky or tissue over the mouthpiece? you would disgusted at just how much shit you are breathing in...i collapsed a lung from smoking too much give yourself a break you will feel much better for it. peace
 
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Yeah I bong cools the smoke down if nothing else. I have a bong with a double perculator, and I cannot stand pipes now. I'm so spoiled haha
 
Definitely invest in a vaporizer if you can. A vaporizer will actually save you money in the long run because you use much less weed when you vape vs. smoking it. May not be the easiest thing to hide though.
 
^ told ya

yeh but if you gotta hide stuff maybe you should wait until your older anyway...
 
yeh, sorry cancer aint that funny!

whats the story with smoking your ganja green without tobacco? i was under the impression that the tar and other bits and bobs inhaled from ganja would still increase the risk of cancer?
 
I prefer joints, mostly because I'm a bit of a connoisseur and I want to experience *just* the weed I'm smoking. Unless the pipe is clean then I'm also inhaling tar from previous smokes. Joints leave no evidence, but pipes do, and bongs are not practical for transport. I find it harder to control how much I smoke when I use a bong.

Vaporizors don't get me as high for some reason. About a half hour after smoking I'm barely high anymore. I do like how clean and clear the high feels though.
 
I'd be willing to bet that smoking weed can cause cancer. (I can feel the heat from the flames)

Also I doubt bongs are better. A bubble in water isn't going to allow much filtration in the center of it. Yes they do interact with the water on there borders, but very little of it touches the water. Perks will help this but I dont think they filter out much, plus insolubles in water wont be filtered.

Get a vaporizer or smoke less if your lungs hurt.
 
szuko000 said:
I'd be willing to bet that smoking weed can cause cancer. (I can feel the heat from the flames)
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I'll take that bet. Link me to a study conducted in the past decade that doesn't relate to testicular cancer. No evidence that the carcinogens in cannabis cause cancer in the lungs throat or mouth, but rather, smoke itself is harmful in that it is hot and contains carbons. In either case, yes, smoke is obviously not good for you, but there are many parts of cannabis that counteract the cancerous properties of those carbons in cannabis (there are actually more carbons in cannabis smoke then tobacco smoke, yet it does not cause cancer).
 
Also how am I going to find a study on the long term effects of just smoking weed on the lungs. Long term being 50-60 years so it would have had to start in the 60s. We both know there is no such thing as a long term study with the rigid bounds we would both require, large sample group with a control no additional outside forces ect. The only way to know is to do it ourselves. I smoke cigs and not enough weed so I guess we will meet in Cali around the year 2050 and I'll have 20 bucks for you ;)
 
szuko000 said:
Also how am I going to find a study on the long term effects of just smoking weed on the lungs. Long term being 50-60 years so it would have had to start in the 60s. We both know there is no such thing as a long term study with the rigid bounds we would both require, large sample group with a control no additional outside forces ect. The only way to know is to do it ourselves. I smoke cigs and not enough weed so I guess we will meet in Cali around the year 2050 and I'll have 20 bucks for you ;)
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Parrell Longitudinal studies are not needed to deduce this. Pharmalogical studies have been doing this for decades, anyway.

source: psychobiology minor, neuropsychology liberal arts degree. I read a lot of studies.

If you can granted access (if you go to a uni in the USA you can get free access) to PSYCinfo or PSYCdocs it is loaded, LOADED with peer reviewed, published and reliable studies with a VAST search engine. I did a very fast search there and here is an abstract and references to each study the from the abstract.

Cannabis Smoke Versus Tobacco Smoke

Cannabis smoke contains many of the same carcinogens as tobacco smoke, including greater concentrations of certain aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzopyrene, prompting fears that chronic marijuana inhalation may be a risk factor for tobacco-use related cancers. However, marijuana smoke also contains cannabinoids such as THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (cannabidiol), which are non-carcinogenic and demonstrate anti-cancer properties in vivo and in vitro. By contrast, nicotine promotes the development of cancer cells and their blood supply. In addition, cannabinoids stimulate other biological activities and responses that may mitigate the carcinogenic effects of smoke, such as down-regulating the inflammatory arm of the immune system that is responsible for producing potentially carcinogenic free radicals (unstable atoms that are believed to accelerate the progression of cancer).

Cannabis smoke – unlike tobacco smoke – has not been definitively linked to cancer in humans, including those cancers associated with tobacco use. However, certain cellular abnormalities in the lungs have been identified more frequently in long-term smokers of cannabis compared to non-smokers. Chronic exposure to cannabis smoke has also been associated with the development of pre-cancerous changes in bronchial and epithelium cells in similar rates to tobacco smokers. Cellular abnormalities were most present in individuals who smoked both tobacco and marijuana, implying that cannabis and tobacco smoke may have an additive adverse effect on airway tissue. The results suggest that long-term exposure to cannabis smoke, particularly when combined with tobacco smoking, is capable of damaging the bronchial system in ways that could one day lead to respiratory cancers. However, to date, no epidemiologic studies of cannabis-only smokers have yet to reveal such a finding. Larger, better-controlled studies are warranted.
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References:

Cannabinoids and cancer: causation, remediation, and palliation. Lancet Oncology. 2005
Cannabinoids: potential anticancer agents. Nature Reviews Cancer. 2003.
Nicotine exposure and bronchial epithelial cell nicotinic acetylcholine receptor expression in the pathogenesis of lung cancer. Journal of Clinical Investigation. 2003
Cannabis and tobacco smoke are not equally carcinogenic. Harm Reduction Journal. 2005
National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999
Tracheobronchial histopathology in habitual smokers of cocaine, marijuana and/or tobacco. Chest. 1997
Histopathologic and molecular alterations in bronchial epithelium in habitual smokers of marijuana, cocaine and/or tobacco. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. 1998
Cannabis vaporizer combines efficient delivery of THC with effective suppression of pyrolytic compounds. Journal of Cannabis Therapeutics. 2004
Hazekamp et al. 2006. Evaluation of a vaporizing device (Volcano) for pulmonary administration of tetrahydrocannabinol. Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences 95: 1308-1317
Vaporization as a smokeless cannabis delivery system: a pilot study. Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 2007
 
Unfortunately I don't belong to a university anymore (class of 2010) plus iphone makes digging and copy+pasting is hard. Though impressive I still don't think you can extrapolate something that far. I think time is the only definite answer.

Some people on the Internet you just can't sway. Great effort my friend. I do hope your right but meh smoke and the lungs, I will just have to see for myself.
 
szuko000 said:
Also I doubt bongs are better. A bubble in water isn't going to allow much filtration in the center of it. Yes they do interact with the water on there borders, but very little of it touches the water. Perks will help this but I dont think they filter out much, plus insolubles in water wont be filtered.

Get a vaporizer or smoke less if your lungs hurt.
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you ever seen how much gunk/shit gets collected/filtered in bong water..?
 
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you ever seen how much gunk/shit gets collected/filtered in bong water..?
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As far as I know, their has never been a recorded death caused by cannabis OD, or any proof of cancer caused by cannabis smoking. In fact, their have been studies that prove cannabis smokers do NOT increase their risk of lung cancer, and smaller studies that have shown cannabis can in fact actually lessen a persons likely hood of cancer. About the hung in the bong, I always assumed that was from ash/weed pulling through into the bong water and people being to lazy to replace their water after each session, thus because cannabis is a plant, it will begin to grow bacteria and other nasty shit if it sits in still water...
 
pbuilder said:
As far as I know, their has never been a recorded death caused by cannabis OD, or any proof of cancer caused by cannabis smoking. In fact, their have been studies that prove cannabis smokers do NOT increase their risk of lung cancer, and smaller studies that have shown cannabis can in fact actually lessen a persons likely hood of cancer. About the hung in the bong, I always assumed that was from ash/weed pulling through into the bong water and people being to lazy to replace their water after each session, thus because cannabis is a plant, it will begin to grow bacteria and other nasty shit if it sits in still water...
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Just because the water changes color does not mean its filtering out the tar. Ash and other particles can change the color. I remain confident that compounds insoluble in water are not removed by the water. How can something that does not dissolve in water be removed by water. Unless the coloring causes these compounds to get to heavy to travel in the smoke but I think that's also unlikely.

Also the amount of needed compounds to prevent cancer most likely would not be present in enough concentration to be considered useful in a smoking session. Also any standing body of water will grow bacteria.

As far as ODing I dont see how that's relivent. The risk of OD does not prove something is harmful or that it is not safe.
 
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