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Bupe Using Oxycodone to help subutex withdrawls?

lilpeach5237

lilpeach5237

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I am currently prescribed 4 mgs daily of subutex (NOT SUBOXONE). I have run out early. I cannot refill until Thursday (10-31-2013). My question is I have 34 pills of oxycodone 5/325 mgs. Can I use these to put off withdrawl? And just to add in, I have run out before and used the 30 milligram percs with no acetometiphin and it worked wonders! I escaped withdrawl for 4 days until I got my script refilled aside from waking up some nights feeling shitty because I switched to a SAO for a few days. This time around tho I do not have the ones with no acetometiphin and before I did and I only took like one 30 mg a day and it went well. So can I use these ones I have now and expect the same thing as last time. thanks. <3<3
 
Ive read doses of acetaminophen that exceed 3000mg can be fairly dangerous. So if you're gonna need more than 10 of those pills Id recommend a cwe.

Taking 6 (30/1950) at once I believe would be safe but not recommended.
 
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oh posted a private reply (SORRY) I was planning on taking like 7 a day for the next 4 days. but only one every 2 hours or so. CWE????
 
cold water extraction- you can search for it on here.

Unless you're vulnerable to acetaminophen or mixing drugs, doses up to 3000mg/24 hours shouldn't cause damage. You might get unpleasant side effects though.

Depends on how bad your withdrawals are and how fast they're gonna kick in.

Im not sure one 5mg would hold off withdrawal for you. Id try to wait until you're almost in withdrawal, take 4 of those and work from there.
 
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ya someone I know also told me about that cold water extraction but it sounds like a lot of bullshittin around. but I will look into it :) and knowing me I would probabaly fuck it up lol
 
lilpeach5237 said:
ya someone I know also told me about that cold water extraction but it sounds like a lot of bullshittin around. but I will look into it :) and knowing me I would probabaly fuck it up lol
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Yes id prob forget that, its not too neccessary unless you're gonna exceed 3-4000mg/24 hrs. It is more safe ofc. If you do one, make sure you do not use more than like 50-100ml water.

Anyway, even if you take 6 of those 30mg (30/1950) at once you should be fine. So basically you can just do what you did the last time.
 
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Well taking 4 mg of Subutex a day I doubt the 170 mg of oxycodone that you have will last more than 2 days. 4 mg of bupe is a lot, I think you if you take 90 mg of oxycodone a day you can feel fine with 2 mg of bupe right off the bat. So tolerance wise the 170 mg isn't gonna last you very long, but if you space it out it will be better than nothing, to point out the obvious. So you could have maybe 2 good days and 3 or 4 crappy ones or spread it out and have 5-6 so-so days.

I know I'd at least wait til I got to about full Sub w/d so the blockade didn't render the small amount of oxy I had even less beneficial.
 
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Well taking 4 mg of Subutex a day I doubt the 170 mg of oxycodone that you have will last more than 2 days. 4 mg of bupe is a lot, I think you if you take 90 mg of oxycodone a day you can feel fine with 2 mg of bupe right off the bat. So tolerance wise the 170 mg isn't gonna last you very long, but if you space it out it will be better than nothing, to point out the obvious. So you could have maybe 2 good days and 3 or 4 crappy ones or spread it out and have 5-6 so-so days.

I know I'd at least wait til I got to about full Sub w/d so the blockade didn't render the small amount of oxy I had even less beneficial.
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She said 30mg/day worked fine the last time. I assumed that was recently.

Whenever I don't point out the obvious people jump on my posts...:!
 
^yup I missed that part. Just surprises me that I a oxy 30 a day is enough to curb withdrawal from 4 mg of bupe a day.

And I too would exclude the CWE, in lieu of HR, because you are guaranteed to lose some of the oxycodone in the process. Attempting it the first itme is clearly more risky in terms of lost product. 6 of those a day is pretty standard dosage for someone taking them for short term moderate to severe pain management
 
I thought the same in regards to 30mg holding off withdrawal.(surprised it would)

When making this switch..

You said 90mg oxy=2mg bupe. How do you come to that conclusion?
How would I find the comparitive dosage between the two?
Also, does the full agonist vs partial agonist play a factor in the required dose needed to avoid withdrawal?

I ask this because I haven't come off sub yet but plan on trying asap. Considering my options, best course of action..

Thanks
 
Just make sure to wait until you are sick again after stopping the oxycodone before taking the subutex again, otherwise you may go into precipitated withdrawals.
 
if you cant deal with the kicks and you have multiple days sure why not,, just try to use the smallest amount possible and go as long as you can between doses.

and try to get at least 20 hours of sobriety before you know youre gonna get your sub script filled. you do NOT want to even be in the vicinity of precip withdrawals.
 
IME I went off subs onto oxy just fine. I was on subs for a bit a decided I wanted to get an oxy scrip again.

So I started taking oxy instead of subs and I faired just fine. Not really sure what my dose was. I tapered down to 2mg of suboxone when I wanted to switch and I tapered from a higher dose in a week so I was crashing a bit, but not bad.

Once I reintroduced oxy into my system, the transition was smooth.

I would recommend CWE if you plan on taking a good amount of those perk 5s. That's a lot of Tylenol and a body in distress doesn't need more. I know I would CWE with those low dose oxys. Its not really that hard to do BTW. I am sure there is plenty of stuff on here about how to do it.

If found if I had some suboxone in my system I could take opiates and then suboxone and not get wd's as long as some bupe was still in me. Not saying its a good idea (probably a bad one), but I had no problems taking opiates on top of subs or switching back and forth a bit. Its good to get acquainted with the bupe half life chart if you plan to play that game.

I am not advising you in any way. The only reason I even mention my experiences with take bupe and opies together is because it looks like you may do something to that affect.
 
Agreed on the CWE. Easy and will really save your liver.

Yes, you can use oxycodone for Subutex wds. Wait till you feel WD symptoms to take them because as I'm sure you know buprenorphine blocks other opiates, waiting till wd should allow them to take effect though don't expect them to work as well as usual. Just make sure that when you resume your normal medication that you're in full WD to avoid precipitated WD.
 
I see that there are a lot more people than I thought that are STILL confused about suboxone and subutex. Subutex is JUST buprenorphine. suboxone has naloxone. therefore, because I am on subutex I can take whatever I want whenever I want and NEVER get sick or precipitated withdrawls. I see a lot of you have commented on the fact that I have to wait till I am fully withdrawling to take my script again. NO! I don't. No matter what you hear online or anywhere else BELIEVE ME, I take this shit so I know what it does and doesn't do. There is NO blocker in subutex. I can take opiates and hour or a day before or after taking subutex. Will I get the FULL affects of a SAO? I don't know but at this point that doesn't matter much to me. And thank you Zerr, yes I have taken 30 mgs per day before and avoided withdrawl. 15 mgs in the am and 15 in the pm. 4 mgs is considered a "LOW" dose for opiate maintainence. Normal dosing is usually 8 mgs daily and upwards. Just to clarify I do appreciate all of your info but also wanting to clear a few things up so u can understand my situation better. thanks :)
 
I should clarify in saying that after reading what I just wrote I shouldn't have wrote that "I will never get sick" what I meant by that was I can take any opiate or anything else I want and never get sick because there is no naloxone in subutex. but yes, if I were to stop taking the subutex of course I would get sick from not taking it and being in withdrawl.
 
It's only on BL 4mg and 8mg are considered high bupe doses, and think it's mostly because theres some fun to be had at the sub-milligram doses. 8 mg is a standard prescribed dose for a small habit round here where I am.

I've been in your position except the otherway round sub to tied me over till my oxy script and switching back to oxy was smooth as hell, did notice my tolerance was slightly higher though (this was a year ago though). Also agree about the 36 hour sub waiting period being false, at least with me and oxy.

Budget the oxys, take em to just keep you functional (only take em when you feel w/d symptoms). Lucky if such low oxy doses work for you too.
 
I started my sub does at I think 24 mgs a day 3 years ago so for me this is a low dose. most people I know are on like 8 mgs a day and higher for maintainence. I know that for pain relief sub doses are way lower. Like .50 mgs a day or something. The percs certainly do not get me high but they do put off the wd's at least until I can fill my RX next. like I said though before I had the ones without the acetometephene in them last time. but we will see. subs stay in your system for so long and I still have .50 mgs left to take if I need it. I took 3 percs this am and I know that I didn't really need them but I actually caught a little buzz from them.. I think that if my sub dose was higher that it would change things here.
 
lilpeach5237 said:
I should clarify in saying that after reading what I just wrote I shouldn't have wrote that "I will never get sick" what I meant by that was I can take any opiate or anything else I want and never get sick because there is no naloxone in subutex. but yes, if I were to stop taking the subutex of course I would get sick from not taking it and being in withdrawl.
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That's actually not correct. It isn't the naloxone is suboxone that causes PW's.. it is the buprenorphine itself. Bupe has a much higher binding affinity to your receptors than naloxone does, so the naloxone is basically inactive and a pointless addition to suboxone. Subutex will give you PW's the same as suboxone would, because like I said, it is the bupe that rips the opiates off your receptors, not the naloxone. Since the bupe has such a higher affinity then naloxone, it also is the reason that at high doses, opiates are blocked.

In short, PW's and opiates being blocked are caused by bupe, not naloxone.
 
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