Using Opiates and Building Muscle

What about working out on opiates? I bet you could handle alot more strenuos working out on them than not which might make up for not gaining as much muscle becuase you'll be doing more work so it would even out.

i dont think iv ever heard of anyone using opiates for this but its probably better for you than steriods lol
 
No its not. Steroids make you build up more and opiates make you not feel pain. Just because you work out more doesn't mean your body will rebuild it as fast.

I had a 50-100mg Tramadol habit. I mostly quit it, but I sometimes take 50mg for my back pain. I don't know if this is alright, I assume its not better than not taking it, but I was just wondering if it was alright since its a synthetic opiate.
 
Ive also worked out on opiates, and i found that i was able to work out alot harder and longer while i was high, I definitely felt the pain the next day that i couldn't feel while working out high.

You seem to sweat more, and overheat more on opiates, furthering dehydration in yourself.

It definitely makes working out more enjoyable, but its ultimately defeating the purpose of working out at all.

Get this, you fall into a routine of working out and doing opiates, Soo the more you work out, the more opiates your going to be ingesting.

Then after a while you end up getting withdraws after frequent use, and all your strength gains go out the window because of how weak withdrawal makes you feel.

Ive done it, And i definitely wouldn't suggest it.

Its very hard to flirt with the devil and not jump into bed with her.

some people can, Most people cant
 
Issac Sinclair said:
No its not. Steroids make you build up more and opiates make you not feel pain. Just because you work out more doesn't mean your body will rebuild it as fast.

I had a 50-100mg Tramadol habit. I mostly quit it, but I sometimes take 50mg for my back pain. I don't know if this is alright, I assume its not better than not taking it, but I was just wondering if it was alright since its a synthetic opiate.
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Tramadol isn't really a synthetic opiate. Chemically it's a glorified anti-depressant with opiate like activity which stems from the Tramadol inhibiting the re uptake of serotonin and select endorphins. It's the reason Tramadol causes seizures at doses over 300mg.

To the opiate newbie who hasn't even touched codiene or hydrocodone a 200mg-300mg dose will produce a high comparable to ecstasy. Once you star using oxycodone, hydrocodone, and morphine, that magic goes away and the drug becomes useless- It can actually cause withdrawal if you are hooked on an opiate.
 
a little off topic, but 20-30 mg with no tolerance sends me puking and nodding off on hydrocodone. im assuming youre talking theoretically though...glad opiates never really agreed with me. amphetamines certainly fucked with my lifting a couple years back, probably way worse for gaining than opiates too. oh well, live and learn
 
KillCops said:
What about working out on opiates? I bet you could handle alot more strenuos working out on them than not which might make up for not gaining as much muscle becuase you'll be doing more work so it would even out.

i dont think iv ever heard of anyone using opiates for this but its probably better for you than steriods lol
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hell no.i tried it a few times when i was clean for about my 2nd year and decided to take 20mg tab of methadone.got to the gym and could barely do pulldowns with 150lbs...everything was just like a dead weight to me.plus it was fucking up my groove so i left to enjoy the high.problem is i never went back and started another 4yr run.opiates for rec use and bodybuilding just don't mix.i'm 44 goin on 45.been doin this since 18-19.been shootin dope since about 90-91.i've had far better workouts clean and clearheaded than even if i was just on one or two percs.even on the subs i don't get it in like i used to.that's why i gotta get off.wanna do my last show this years end and won't until i can stop completely.
 
personally adderall KILLS my testosterone levels. i took ir twice a day and i dropped 40 pounds in a month. adderall will completely kill your testosterone, at least it did for me. i even completely lost interest in women and sex, and even now i dont think im back at where i was before taking adderall, and i only took it for 3 weeks before that happened. i still only have a passing interest in sex, and i havent had much adderall at all in the past month.
 
Voxide said:
Once a month, it probably won't affect your gains.

But who are you kidding? You're not going to be using it once a month for very long.
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Some people can chip, Voxide... but you're right, not EVERYONE can chip. It's better to not use full agonist opiates at all, if you are serious and dedicated to bodybuilding.

gearfiend said:
personally adderall KILLS my testosterone levels. i took ir twice a day and i dropped 40 pounds in a month. adderall will completely kill your testosterone, at least it did for me. i even completely lost interest in women and sex, and even now i dont think im back at where i was before taking adderall, and i only took it for 3 weeks before that happened. i still only have a passing interest in sex, and i havent had much adderall at all in the past month.
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Really?

Amphetamines are going to encourage your body to burn weight... but losing interest in women and sex?! I have never experienced any such thing.

Amphetamines make me really horny - I'd fuck any chick if I was spun on meth. I think this is just how different drugs can effect us all uniquely. I don't even think it's connected to your testosterone level.

Issac Sinclair said:
So is Tramadol OK to take in regards to gains?
I take Adderall daily... fuck.
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That doesn't mean you can't counteract adderall's effects on weight loss by eating more and more! ;) Cannabinoids help to induce hunger if you are an adult with ADHD like myself.

I don't think tramadol is going to seriously repress testosterone as much as the full agonist opiates like heroin/methadone... I know tramadol has a very unique pharmacological profile, so until someone can tell me definitively whether it's like heroin (will effect testosterone levels) or like my buprenorphine (will not effect testosterone levels) I won't be sure man.
 
even remotely recreational doses of amphetamine used once or twice weekly seem to set back my gains and be damn catabolic. even if i manage to still get my extra meals, water, and sleep down, i still feel weak and shitty for the next day or two. the weight lost from amphetamine tends to be mostly muscle or "good mass", as it (along with other powerful stims) causes a huge spike and cortisol causing bloating and fat gain and will likely fuck up your motivation for the next day or two. don't get me wrong, it feels great to work out on it, and you can lift more weight...but it won't really affect your physique favorably with continued use. also, in regards to the what the other poster was saying about it killing sex drive...same thing happens to me. if i use amph once or twice a week for more than a month my sex drive and motivation take a nose dive for a seemingly long time afterwards. of course im going to be an egomaniacal sex fiend when on it, but what goes up must come down. quitting all substances except pot and gear has made me feel healthier and happier than i have in years
 
Amphetamine is better, in my opinion, than ephedrine/caffeine for cutting fat so long as you're using it in regulated doses. But it's not something you wanna use daily. Yeah, it boosts your cortisol sky high which will lower test levels, but cortisol also aids in Lipolysis. Anytime I've ever cut down to an extremely low body fat, it's been when I was dieting while studying for exams using my prescription. I have read that some pros use speed as a cutting aid, I wouldn't doubt it. When teamed up with test it would dry you out and lean you down so fast, because of how easy it is to eat selectively.

But anyone that thinks they "need" amphetamine even though they want to build muscle is just deceiving themselves. You're either dedicated to body building or you're dedicated to the drugs that go with it. Guess which one is better.

As for opiates, like Voxide said, you won't be a moderate user for long. I've never met a recreational opiate user that has avoided addiction.
 
^see, you can do it in moderate doses. i cannot as i used to have a serious problem with stims. i think thats why it and myself are gonna be parting ways for quite awhile til i can bench 350. on some real shit though, i wish i could take a benzo every now and then to help with sleep because the combination of melatonin and test give me pretty brutal night sweats...but im really trying to cut everything out except the herb. anyone have thoughts on non-recreational doses of benzos to sleep while on cycle in comparison to hindrances caused by other drugs while on cycle?

edit:i should mention i dont have a problem abusing benzos and never have
 
Km013 said:
anyone have thoughts on non-recreational doses of benzos to sleep while on cycle in comparison to hindrances caused by other drugs while on cycle?
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DSIP (delta sleep inducing peptide) could help.. its not powerful but wont fuck with you like benzos
10-30mg of zolpidem would def do the job with initiating sleep and its short half life should leave you not grogy in the morning.. although you may experience early morning awakenings.
 
Ever since I stopped using hydromorphone, oxys and morphine my muscle gains went through the roof. I tend to avoid most things thesedays if im trying to get good results. Working out and being dedicated means you have to live a very healthy lifestyle where there are no drugs available. Its hard sometimes, I suppose every now and then is ok but if u keep using it its like one step forward one step back. That little difference in stopping or limiting usage will make a huuuge difference.
 
I noticed my gains in the gym completely stopped, and that was just from taking codeine every day. I can only imagine what some of the other stronger opiates will do to your muscle and strength gains (or lack there of)
 
Are you guys that are claiming no gains from opiates and other pain killers not using steroids?
I have been bodybuilding and powerlifting for 9 years, and I would say 75% of the people I know that are serious about their training are loaded to the gills on PK's, mostly oxy.
They are also on enough AAS to kill a horse, but the point of the story is if you are not training natty, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to NSAID's, oxy, etc.
 
hematocritter said:
Are you guys that are claiming no gains from opiates and other pain killers not using steroids?
I have been bodybuilding and powerlifting for 9 years, and I would say 75% of the people I know that are serious about their training are loaded to the gills on PK's, mostly oxy
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No, you are right. Thats because the steroids always make sure that your body is being supplied with hormones (albeit synthetic hormones).

But if you dont juice, and rely on your own body producing its hormones, you're not gonna get gains in the gym because opiates suppress your body's ability to manufacture its own hormones in the testes and adrenal glands.

So yeah, if you're gonna take opiates its smart to take steroids also, so that you keep gaining
 
bottom line: it lowers testosterone but other than that won't impact gains. i use hydrocodone every once in a while (not anymore though because i ran out of my script), and had no problems gaining. it also drops cortisol meaning less catabolic stress on the muscles, and it boosts HGH in your blood.
 
you can NOT be using opiates and be working out consistently. they make you weak, decrease your appetite and just overall impose a catabolic environment on your body.
 
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