• H&R Moderators: streaM Freak

Using Naloxone injectable for detox

Bit-IV

Greenlighter
Joined
Nov 8, 2015
Messages
3
i am currently attempting to keep my addiction in control, take 12-24mg of hydro morphine a day. my dosing can easily come down to 6-12mg a day with the intent of a complete detox. My biggest issues are Ive had bad experiences with in treatment detox i do not like to be outside of my home for this and in the past few weeks i have brought myself to a low enough dose that i sweat through the night for a few days and i begin to feel my body going back to "normal", then pay day comes around and i fall off track. I've been on methadone and suboxone tablets, also done many different pills for about ten years now.

My question is, if I bring myself down to 6mg, maybe 9mg of hydro a day go through the sweats and get my bodily functions back does anyone know if injectable naloxone which I've got from overdose kits would finish off the detox and how much i would need to use for how long, dosage etc..

Thank you in advance if you need anymore details about my day to day to give me any kind of helping advice id be glad to answer..
 
Naloxone would instantly bring you into full acute withdrawal, but its half life is really short.. so IMO this approach may end up providing a bunch of misery for little gain.

In under a week, from your final dose, you will feel significantly better.
 
Last edited:
sorry if this is a double post ....
i am aware of the acute withdrawals and completely fine with the mass amounts of pain i might put myself through i can get my hands on some vallium ...am also willing to discontinue the hydro morph for a day or 2 tops before injecting naloxone but the point is to get through the pain as fast as possible ....so how much and how often or how long do you think it would take the naloxone to be through the worst of what i think would be a 5-7 day withdrawal to begin with (less naloxone) seeing as my addiction has been kept to quite a minimun for quite some time now
 
Oh you just want to precipitate withdrawal?

Don't do that. You'll just cause yourself more pain.

And once you're done withdrawals, this doesn't mean necessarily you'll feel better. What about the cravings, obsession, triggers, etc?
 
Oh you just want to precipitate withdrawal?

Don't do that. You'll just cause yourself more pain.

And once you're done withdrawals, this doesn't mean necessarily you'll feel better. What about the cravings, obsession, triggers, etc?

yes i do want to precipitate but the only reading compares it to bup and how to avoid doing it .

what i would realy like to know is will it quicken the process as a whole? which im assuming it will
 
I think the issue here is that during withdrawal, severe intensity of withdrawal symptoms can challenge the person's resolve to quit.

When we are encouraging others to get into recovery, we make sure their withdrawal process is as easy as humanly possible. Intensifying it, or making it more difficult, makes consequential recovery more difficult.

The best advice I can give you is to not be scared of the depression and withdrawal symptoms. Get used to it, accept it, and your life will get better as they eventually fade with time. Best of luck.
 
Naloxone or naltrexone will help you with is to get the opioids out of your system, in particular to dislodge them from their binding sites.

Naloxone or naltrexone won't speed up your body's recovery (rather, this is highly unlikely) to a closer point of homeostasis, or recover from the shock of withdrawal. Actually, using naloxone in the way you described (unless you waited long enough for the agonists you've been using to clear your system on their own before taking any naloxone), will exacerbate the shock of withdrawal to your system. Even if you can and want to take the pain, it's not going to do anything for you or speed up your "recovery."

Unless you have a significant amount of naloxone, often OD "reversal" kits don't include all that much naloxone. I would think you'll need more than what is provided in one "kit" (esp. if you have a certain type of nasal spray/intranasal kit or one of those weird pen things). You'll have to probably repeatedly administer naloxone, which may be difficult given your level of discomfort.

Look into the rapid detox protocol using a form of anesthesia and naltrexone (usually I believe, sometimes naloxone or more often both). What you propose is essentially the same idea, just without the anesthesia - and there is a good reason they want to put the patient under during this process. There are a lot of concerns over the safety (more related to the anesthetic I believe), practicality (cost) and efficacy (you still have to "recover" because all this really seems to accomplish is getting the drugs out of your system a bit faster).

If you feel like trying it, hell go ahead. I would honestly recommend keeping something like buprenorphine or methadone (or your DOC even) on hand if you find you can't handle the naloxone, better yet the whole department of comfort meds (diazepam/clonazepam, gabapentin/pregabalin, clonidine, loperamide, cannabis, valproic acid, etc. etc.). I'd really advise against this though. I don't see it as a matter of testing your resolve when it comes to abstinence - I see this as an issue of concern to your life and health much more so.

If you do anything discuss your plans with someone in your real life, ideally someone who can check in on you if not hang with while you go through hell to help nurse you and be there to get help should any issues arise. Best case scenario, you do this under a medical professional's care, like a registered nurse or GP, but I don't see that happening (cause they'd be liable and I doubt they'd agree unless they're your good friend or something and doing it undercover).

If you decide to go ahead, be very, very careful about any preexisting conditions you might have, particularly seizure history or heart problems. It's not so much an issue with normal w/d generally, but you won't be trying normal withdrawal here. Please be careful.

I don't see the potential problems with you idea for kicking being a matter of gritting your teeth or dealing with the pain. I'm curious, what have your other experiences with withdrawal, detoxing or precipitated withdrawal been?

And here's some random article about rapid detox I found: http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/Addictions/41908
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This is going to shock your system insanely OP. Have you had naloxone administered before? It is like every withdrawal symptom all at once and it doesn't get better till you are completely through withdrawals.

IME I would just do it naturally, or go to a detox. If you think you can manage to detox at home then get yourself the comfort meds toothpastedog said. Those will help the symptoms.

IMO the hard part about kicking opiates is not the withdrawal its the staying sober part of it. This requires incredible vigilance and rigorous self discipline. Not to mention completely changing your life. I used for 15yrs throughout the time that I was 15-32. Yes I had a couple years clean time in there, but it was mostly balls to walls ripping and running. In order to feel as good as I do now I have had to go to therapy, and be willing to do whatever it takes to stay quit. People, places, things. Change em' and win my friend.
 
Top