has anyone done this successfully? one is considering using rue extract while on the specialized diet, and making a fungi tea - possibly eating some of the steepings... but one is unsure of the amount of fungi to dmt ratio. for example one can use 100mg dmt and 200 mg harmala alkaloids and obtain exactly what one wants, with zero negative sides.
using mushrooms to create an ayahuasca-like experience
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I tried once and it was a total disaster but it was my fault, i pushed too much mushroom dose with P.Harmala.
Initially i wasn't planning psilohuasca, i was doing ayahuasca.
I boiled for a while 5gr of peganum harmala powder and seeds (i had both and used half of each), then drank the liquid.
After 20 mins i tried the liquid where i had boiled the Virola Theidora for 2 hours but, i don't know why, it just didn't work.
So after one hour i took the P.Cubensis but i overdid it eating around 5gr or so, i had a terrible trip where i couldn't control myself.
I would suggest to not exceed 3gr of mushrooms with harmala, it should be enough for a really strong experience.
I have no experience with DMT, only tried 5-meo-DMT, but i can say 5 grams of mushrooms + Harmala was one of my strongest and scariest experience in my life, much stronger than 80gr of fresh Cubensis alone.
Initially i wasn't planning psilohuasca, i was doing ayahuasca.
I boiled for a while 5gr of peganum harmala powder and seeds (i had both and used half of each), then drank the liquid.
After 20 mins i tried the liquid where i had boiled the Virola Theidora for 2 hours but, i don't know why, it just didn't work.
So after one hour i took the P.Cubensis but i overdid it eating around 5gr or so, i had a terrible trip where i couldn't control myself.
I would suggest to not exceed 3gr of mushrooms with harmala, it should be enough for a really strong experience.
I have no experience with DMT, only tried 5-meo-DMT, but i can say 5 grams of mushrooms + Harmala was one of my strongest and scariest experience in my life, much stronger than 80gr of fresh Cubensis alone.
Yes I have tried this, too. It was only once as well.
Extremely spiritual and earthly / natural feeling trip. But it was just too deep and serious for me and I had the feeling like the MAOI made me completely unable to resist the effect of the mushrooms. It wasn't only that this is theoretically how it works but it also clearly felt that way to me and it was extremely intense and frightening most of the time not able to control myself or any of my thoughts or feelings.
I find that trying to control a trip is not a good plan and you better ought to let go, but having zero control over any of that any more lends it a bit of a soulrape quality. I prefer letting go voluntarily, for some reason this seemed more insane.
Interesting but never again. Or it would have to be like no more than 0.5g of mushrooms.
Here is our special thread for this, are you okay with this merging into it?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/293629-Combo-Subthread-Mushrooms-amp-MAOIs
Extremely spiritual and earthly / natural feeling trip. But it was just too deep and serious for me and I had the feeling like the MAOI made me completely unable to resist the effect of the mushrooms. It wasn't only that this is theoretically how it works but it also clearly felt that way to me and it was extremely intense and frightening most of the time not able to control myself or any of my thoughts or feelings.
I find that trying to control a trip is not a good plan and you better ought to let go, but having zero control over any of that any more lends it a bit of a soulrape quality. I prefer letting go voluntarily, for some reason this seemed more insane.
Interesting but never again. Or it would have to be like no more than 0.5g of mushrooms.
Here is our special thread for this, are you okay with this merging into it?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/293629-Combo-Subthread-Mushrooms-amp-MAOIs
I hear the Red B. Caapi Vine is the most 'welcoming' - i would suggest considering using this as the source of MAOIs
Also - i think i may be right in saying that you might be better off actually using Ayahuasca - from what i hear the experience has a special uniqueness to it; the breakthroughs made seem to be greater than those that are often facilitated by other drugs.
Also - i think i may be right in saying that you might be better off actually using Ayahuasca - from what i hear the experience has a special uniqueness to it; the breakthroughs made seem to be greater than those that are often facilitated by other drugs.
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You can edit your posts if you want to add something. I merged it for you.
Yeah, although it isn't up to us to say what is better or what is worse, I would agree even without having tried ayahuasca myself that it seems preferable to psilohuasca (mushrooms + MAOI) in several ways.
There are a number of simple tryptamines and there is not only a difference in quality of trip but also harshness / intensity / immediacy or on the other hand: dilation.
By that I mean that the intensity as a function of time seems to be a factor in trips being overwhelming or not.
Oral 4-HO-DMT (psilocin from mushrooms) has plenty of potential to be intense, potentiate it even more with MAOIs and it feels like too much for a lot of people.
For DMT, vaporizing may be the most common form of administration in the western world... but it is super intense and the short duration is probably important for people to tolerate it. It may be very special (IMO it is) but everything happens so fast that it can be relatively hard to take anything back from the experience, sometimes you do - other times it may be hard to derive a message just like with a short nitrous oxide rush.
However potentiate DMT with MAOIs and you dilate the trip making it different to tolerate. The things you experience may be very similar, but at a lower velocity it can be integrated better - rather like a mushroom/psilocin trip I imagine.
4-AcO-DMT, another very closely related compound, feels like it is dilated or 'stretched' even more. The come-up and come-down are described and gradual and smooth (and I agree), the trance can be very deep but I find it relatively much better to tolerate if we measure by the content witnessed.
IMO this is a demonstration of how pharmacokinetics (the 'speed' at which drugs act or metabolize) affect the experience in a major way.
And MAOIs destroy the breaks of the acceleration of what is already pretty intense with mushrooms.
I have no proper explanation as to why it sounds like ayahuasca or pharmahuasca is not identical to a multitude of successive vaporized DMT sessions... although the answer to that might be that oral DMT has different pharmacokinetics compared to vaporized. (Seems obvious now that I think of it). I imagine that vaporizing a full dose of DMT while maxed out on MAO inhibitors results in a whiteknucked first (half) hour indeed. Changa is probably not the same because the MAOIs present are not expected to immediately 'max' out MAO inhibition.
YMMV though - I definitely believe that there are psilohuasca lovers out there, I would just be careful assuming you are one of them. That shit is hardcore.
Yeah, although it isn't up to us to say what is better or what is worse, I would agree even without having tried ayahuasca myself that it seems preferable to psilohuasca (mushrooms + MAOI) in several ways.
There are a number of simple tryptamines and there is not only a difference in quality of trip but also harshness / intensity / immediacy or on the other hand: dilation.
By that I mean that the intensity as a function of time seems to be a factor in trips being overwhelming or not.
Oral 4-HO-DMT (psilocin from mushrooms) has plenty of potential to be intense, potentiate it even more with MAOIs and it feels like too much for a lot of people.
For DMT, vaporizing may be the most common form of administration in the western world... but it is super intense and the short duration is probably important for people to tolerate it. It may be very special (IMO it is) but everything happens so fast that it can be relatively hard to take anything back from the experience, sometimes you do - other times it may be hard to derive a message just like with a short nitrous oxide rush.
However potentiate DMT with MAOIs and you dilate the trip making it different to tolerate. The things you experience may be very similar, but at a lower velocity it can be integrated better - rather like a mushroom/psilocin trip I imagine.
4-AcO-DMT, another very closely related compound, feels like it is dilated or 'stretched' even more. The come-up and come-down are described and gradual and smooth (and I agree), the trance can be very deep but I find it relatively much better to tolerate if we measure by the content witnessed.
IMO this is a demonstration of how pharmacokinetics (the 'speed' at which drugs act or metabolize) affect the experience in a major way.
And MAOIs destroy the breaks of the acceleration of what is already pretty intense with mushrooms.
I have no proper explanation as to why it sounds like ayahuasca or pharmahuasca is not identical to a multitude of successive vaporized DMT sessions... although the answer to that might be that oral DMT has different pharmacokinetics compared to vaporized. (Seems obvious now that I think of it). I imagine that vaporizing a full dose of DMT while maxed out on MAO inhibitors results in a whiteknucked first (half) hour indeed. Changa is probably not the same because the MAOIs present are not expected to immediately 'max' out MAO inhibition.
YMMV though - I definitely believe that there are psilohuasca lovers out there, I would just be careful assuming you are one of them. That shit is hardcore.
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As someone who has extensive experience with ayahuasca,pharmahuasca and various other huascas i can def recomend psilohuasca.
Ive tried Liberty caps with rue and extractewd harmalas and also P cubensis with extracted harmalas and once with real caapi vine.
My fav was the cubenis with caapi but i think liberty caps with caapi is even better.
I usually take a little less than my usual shroom dose, so about 2-3grams of cubes or about 30-50 liberty caps.
For maoi i usually take my normal dosage for full mao inhibiation since i want the dissio effect that a full dose of harmalas gives me.
Nausea is def present but usually less than harmalas + DMT, but def more than just shrooms.
The experience is ver y loving imo, easirer but deeper than just shrooms but not as forgiving or deep than harmalas + dmt,
Its kind of the same thing but the shrooms def gives another impression than NN-DMT.
Ive tried Liberty caps with rue and extractewd harmalas and also P cubensis with extracted harmalas and once with real caapi vine.
My fav was the cubenis with caapi but i think liberty caps with caapi is even better.
I usually take a little less than my usual shroom dose, so about 2-3grams of cubes or about 30-50 liberty caps.
For maoi i usually take my normal dosage for full mao inhibiation since i want the dissio effect that a full dose of harmalas gives me.
Nausea is def present but usually less than harmalas + DMT, but def more than just shrooms.
The experience is ver y loving imo, easirer but deeper than just shrooms but not as forgiving or deep than harmalas + dmt,
Its kind of the same thing but the shrooms def gives another impression than NN-DMT.
SsamuraiXtc
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Syrian rue tea: a recipe for disaster - PubMed
Peganum harmala, commonly called "Syrian rue," is native to countries around the Mediterranean sea and western United States. Known for its sedative effects when consumed by farm animals, its seeds have stimulant and hallucinogenic effects at low doses (3-4 g when eaten) in humans. Its active...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Start small 300mg Syrian Rue should be treated as an allergy test for the combo...maybe even better 100mg to start....then 300mg and then 500mg....I don't think I would go over a gram...be safe
SsamuraiXtc
Bluelighter
Not knocking the combo ...I tried it once already
And will again....just wanted to share some info...the article sounds anti Syrian Rue but if you read it it's got good info....you can also use Syrian Rue on its own at a higher dosage but please check a drug interactions website where you can see what you should not mix with Syrian Rue type plants or medications
And will again....just wanted to share some info...the article sounds anti Syrian Rue but if you read it it's got good info....you can also use Syrian Rue on its own at a higher dosage but please check a drug interactions website where you can see what you should not mix with Syrian Rue type plants or medications