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Opioids Using methamphetamine to detox off methadone

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Cotillion

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I've been pondering this question for quite some time now. I've seen it asked previously but on other forums with everyone against drug culture and strictly sobriety or nothing. Let me first say that I respect people's decision to be 100% clean, however I'm not at that point yet in my life where I'm ready to say no more. Quality of life is my top priority being that we only have 1 shot on earth so hopefully we can all keep an open mind here and respect everyone's perspective!

So just like the title says, using methamphetamine and maybe some coke during the detox period of methadone. Just like many of you reading this I've done the detox relapse detox relapse detox relapse waaay to many times. Sometimes it would last a week and sometimes I could make it several months. I tried suboxone but it was to easy to cheat and my wife wasn't having anymore of me being sick all the time so I started MMT. It did what it was supposed to, killed the cravings and blocked the few slips I attempted but now 2 years later at 200 bucks a month and all the side effects like insane amounts of sweating ( on top of living in las Vegas, it's 111 today ) constipation and always feeling mentally numb.

Sorry ill now get to the questions! I'm slowly dropping down from max of 135 down to 0. I'll be trying to fly through the higher doses until I start feeling icky then take it slower. I saved quite a lot of my take home supply so I can taper via day skipping and .75, .50 and .25. I know I'm going to feel terrible and I already know I just can't handle being down for weeks/months. I can't miss work and I can't ponder suicide. Has anyone used amphetamines during detox and if so how did you feel? How did you feel after you crash, did you wake up right back into WD or did the flow of dopamine help at all? General thoughts about it overall?

The most common response I've seen from others asking were you're just trading 1 addiction for another. Maybe that's true, then again I wonder if when you reach that breaking point, is it better to take that risk than go back down that same path again? I've never had a small relapse or just a slip, it's always all or nothing. After that first rush washes over me my mind quickly spams my thoughts with a million different excuses to keep using.

Sorry for such a long post I'm just trying to cover it all now :) its been over 10 years since I've used any amphetamines, but I do coke quite a bit. I work graveyards by myself so I just take pokes from a bullet every once in a while. When it comes to coke/meth I seem to react a little differently than most. With coke I can party all night and pass right out. Coke actually has a very small effect on me, but it quiets my thoughts and that's the whole reason why I use! With both coke and meth I hit that point where I no longer want to keep going and I go to sleep. Usually 6 hours with coke and about 12 with meth. The longest binge I've ever gone on was about 16 hours lol. Please know I'm not saying I can keep things under control and have no problems blah blah blah! I am just a big fan of sleep. I'm really looking forward to any insight anyone is willing to share and a pre thank you for any help I may get!
 
Shooting coke hcl masks any methadone WDs for me.

Last time I had coke I went 3 days cold turkey from methadone and I felt on top of the world (until the coke ran out).

I can't speak for meth, but coke is a wonder drug for an opiate detox.
 
I feel your a sincere caring person from your post. I'm sorry you have to go through this.

I'm sure you will get some quality answers as we here in this forum are mostly kind and knowledgeable people.

I personally don't have an answer for you. But I just wanted you to know I feel compassion for your position and I can relate to many things in your post. I hope you can find what your looking for. I know you will find something that will work for you.

How did you get started taking opiates? Was it for pain or the natural feeling of them?
 
to be honest the thought of tweaking when im in withdrawl makes me feel sicker. there has been many times where i was withdrawling but had meth right in front of me but did not use, to me it intensifies the wds and makes me feel sicker. when im not sick though i enjoy a shot of meth but havent done so in quite awhile it takes a major toll on my health and appearance.
 
doing some bumps of coke throughout the first day of my first time kicking worked quite well. i was smoking some weed with it as well, and wasn't doing fat rails or anything.. just enough to get me feeling it. the weed seems to make the coke effects more pronounced and last a bit longer (for me anyways). so i'd say yes, but dont do too much coke cause when you crash i'm sure the WD's would feel much worse.
 
Thank you everyone for the kind replies. It's nice to find a community that doesn't just shoot people down. I'm still a ways away from even going through this but it's already all I can think about. I don't plan on being twacked for a month straight or anything, at least I hope not! The hardest part of detox for me is the days, weeks and months of 24/7 negative thoughts. That and missing work. My ideal situation would be to buy a big bag of amphetamine ( quantity to save on cash ) and chop it up into very small gut bombs and eat to get through work and maybe a day full of errands. I know I'll still have rough days in between but hopefully with having some ok days I can get through the bad ones with working out, hiking and staying busy. As the detox starts wearing down I'll switch to coke for a more controlled sleep pattern.
 
Me personally I wouldn't do that because amphetamines are great but the comedown is so horrible I would imagine it as mixing regular horrible withdraw with a side of horrible restless meth comedown.. But if it makes you feel better (because everyone is certainly different) I would go for it.
 
I have used methamp as a distraction during opioid WD and I wouldn't recommend it. While it can work for some, I'm going to say for most people it's not a good idea.

Here is one thread that might be of some use to you.
Here's another.
 
maybe once you have kicked it and are just experiencing PAWS you could do a stim, but ugh i dont know how ppl can do shit like coke while in the early stages of WD. it raises your bp, makes you sweat more, appitite becomes non existant. even caffeine can make me feel sicker if its a large amount. during the PAWS phase tho caffeine is a life saver. as im sure some type of stim would be helpful. i just cant wrap my head around doing it at the onset of the WD.
 
it might slightly mask them when it kicks in and while ur peaking but i imagine coming down from stims combined with opiate w/d is probably horrible.
 
Jones- I have no idea what mxe is aside from what google told me, or if it's legal in Vegas, dose, effects ect. Designer scares me, Im old school haha

Thank you for the links, I've been looking into other options as well. I have clonidine, Xanax, ambien and everything in the Thomas recipe. I might look into the other things people mentioned like kratom, although I'm not sure of the legality in the states.

As far as dosing during peak WD, I'll be tapering extremely slowly and all the way down to .25 with the day skipping method. I did this before with suboxone and it worked very well for the physical part. The paws are always what kill me. I might even switch to subs in the end with very small doses for a very short period. I don't expect or plan on amps to help any physical discomfort I'm just really praying it will give me the boost needed to finish a shift at work. I can already tell the way I can sleep on command right now that I'll be 100% drained of any energy and won't be able to sleep whatsoever without pharm assistance for a long time after quitting.

Another goal for this process will be to take the smallest effective amount possible per dose and avoid any binges. It'll take some trial and error which I'll probably figure out before hand. For example if .1g lasts 9 hours I'll gut bomb that an hour into my shift and only bring a dose half that for backup just in case of an early crash.

Obviously I can't rely on this and it'll simply be a hit or miss. I'll have many other things to try during the process. I'm sure I'll buy a big bag of weed even though I haven't smoked in a dozen years! Thanks again for everyone's responses. I can honestly see where everyone is coming from. A crash during WD would be terrible so I definitely need to get through any physical first and do whatever I can to not binge to keep the crash to a minimum. In all the times I've done both amp and coke I've never even done a 24 hour though so I'm pretty confident in that
 
I just got of suboxone five weeks ago and was scared to death of the WD but my friend offered me some meth and I did it for a few days and then switched to trams and had no withdrawal ... Kind of weird but nice .. I think everyone is different tho
 
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