Using masturbation as an escape from depression

[-=SS=-]

If you don't agree with my view that is fine. All I will say to you is that I don't believe you have honestly thought it out properly on this, no one does.. everyone is inherently biased, ie your desire for masturbation/release speaks rather than you. In your case ("did i mention it feels good") this is evidently so. As I and others have already stated you DO feel an increase in energy if you refrain from orgasming. People have practiced celibacy for thousands of years with no ill results.. except the Catholic church because they don't know what they're doing.

Fact is it works. All the really great men of history shared the same secret of sexual sublimation too. As for flushing the sperm out.. your body reabsorbs and recycles the material. You honestly believe the body is that poorly designed -_-

OP: Google all this if you do not believe me. Try going 1 month without masturbating and see how you feel. If you feel better, great. If not, you've at least learnt more self-control than 95% of people ever will and for that you should feel good about yourself!

 

[-=SS=-]

EDIT: "As I and others have already stated" - Sorry, getting two different threads confused. See thread on "How long have you gone without orgasming" for this.

 

[paranoid android]

If you don't agree with my view that is fine. All I will say to you is that I don't believe you have honestly thought it out properly on this, no one does.. everyone is inherently biased, ie your desire for masturbation/release speaks rather than you. In your case ("did i mention it feels good") this is evidently so. As I and others have already stated you DO feel an increase in energy if you refrain from orgasming. People have practiced celibacy for thousands of years with no ill results.. except the Catholic church because they don't know what they're doing.

Fact is it works. All the really great men of history shared the same secret of sexual sublimation too. As for flushing the sperm out.. your body reabsorbs and recycles the material. You honestly believe the body is that poorly designed -_-

OP: Google all this if you do not believe me. Try going 1 month without masturbating and see how you feel. If you feel better, great. If not, you've at least learnt more self-control than 95% of people ever will and for that you should feel good about yourself!

The only times i don't wack off are if i have a steady g/f as there's no need then or if i am so depressed that i literally don't have the energy. So if anything sex drive is indicative of how good a person is feeling or atleast that's my case. Why would i want to exercise self control on such a manner as this i mean it's not like drugs where it's actually going to hurt me. That is unless i wack off so much my cock swells up lol. I did think this out as i have never read anything about the benefits of celibacy that some stupid religion didn't come up with so i think your argument is still bunk. As for sexual sublimation that is just repressing desires so they come out in other ways most of which would be far less awesome then sex. in fact the only thing more awesome then sex in my opinion is love and i would hardly hold out sex on some woman i loved now would i? Not to mention the woman wouldn't be sticking around long. So unless you live out in the woods and are a hermit i don't see any benefit of celebecy at all.

If you want a example of how celibacy could be harmful look no further then your one month challenge as i am pretty sure i would be getting into some damn violent fights as often as i normally beat off if i was ever foolish enough to attempt such a challenge. You still didn't explain wtf prison rape had to do with wacking off by the way.

It only took me 5 seconds on google to come up with various benefits of sex including a awesome way of getting in shape if you have a good sex partner and last but not least a increase in mood. There have also been some studies that suggest sex increases testosterone levels but that is not definitive i don't think although i have heard of various athletes shagging like rabbits the night before a run for instance to increase performance of the playing field.

The fact is sex feels good. Even if i got all the rest wrong that is still a fact unlike your fact that all the really great men of history shared the same secret of sexual sublimation too. You would also have to define all the great men of history and noone is going to agree on that and such is just opinion.

 

[-=SS=-]

The fact is sex feels good. Even if i got all the rest wrong that is still a fact unlike your fact that all the really great men of history shared the same secret of sexual sublimation too. You would also have to define all the great men of history and noone is going to agree on that and such is just opinion.

Have you ever stopped to think WHY it feels so good? It's bait, it's natures way of ensuring the propogation of the species. It's got nothing to do with love or any other projection you want to place on it. As for all the great men, here are a few off the top of my head, but there are many more:

Newton
Da Vinci
Tesla
Beethoven
Mozart

You also blur the lines between hetero sex and masturbation. I agree that hetero sex is healthy, so long as you don't over do it, but masturbation is not. You may not see any benefits in celibacy but you haven't really looked hard enough, nor have you tried it so you would not know. FACT is people have ultilized it for thousands of years, and people continue to do so in to the present era. Tesla being one example, a man who did more for this planet than any other person of the last 200 years. Another would be author Napolean Hill who included the secret in his book on how to be a success in business.

"If you want a example of how celibacy could be harmful look no further then your one month challenge as i am pretty sure i would be getting into some damn violent fights" - Then you have a lot of problems in your head. If you can't go 1 month without release then really the urge controls you and not the other way around. Prove me wrong.

 

[effie]

You also blur the lines between hetero sex and masturbation. I agree that hetero sex is healthy, so long as you don't over do it, but masturbation is not. You may not see any benefits in celibacy but you haven't really looked hard enough, nor have you tried it so you would not know. FACT is people have ultilized it for thousands of years, and people continue to do so in to the present era. Tesla being one example, a man who did more for this planet than any other person of the last 200 years. Another would be author Napolean Hill who included the secret in his book on how to be a success in business.

What about homosexual sex?

Anyway, that aside - I don't agree with your opinion, but that's okay - it's an opinion. We are allowed to all disagree

What matters here is the OP. It sounds like you need something to fill the void when you are home. I'm really glad you are exercising plenty. Big congrats on kicking drugs and tobacco too, I'm very impressed!

Is there any way to address the friend situation? Friendships ebb and flow - I have gone through spells where I feel like I've drifted away from all of my friends and I'm alone. What I always find helpful in those situations is doing something new - perhaps something my old friends weren't into, or that I didn't have time to do when I saw them all the time. I've started going to Buddhist meditation that way, I've taken up swimming and started going to hula-hoop classes. I started going out to gabba nights a few years aho when all my friends moved away from my city (gabba is pretty niche music, hehe) which brought me a whole new group of friends.. and I currently spend a lot of my time Bluelighting and speaking to friends I've made through this website! It isn't always easy at all to do new things, especially on your own, but all of those things have enriched my life hugely - with the added benefit of sometimes making new friends along the way.

Sometimes you just need to start doing things with your old friends too, to bring that level of closeness back. It isn't always possible, sometimes it is time to cut your losses and move on, but I've had friendships where we've drifted apart for years, only to come back together. Sometimes all it needs is one of you to open up - say you are feeling a little lonely and lost at the moment - for your friends to rally round you..

How about getting really involved with something at home? Cooking maybe, or a new hobby that can be done while sitting on the sofa.. I make sock-creatures, it's pretty awesome and I've started gardening, which brings me a lot of joy (I appreciate I sound like an old lady here, I'm not, I promise ) or getting a pet, if it's possible? Pets can be a great way of feeling some companionship and happiness when you get home.

In the meantime - keep masturbating I say, as long as it is making you feel good - if it's having a detrimental effect on your life, maybe try to reign it in a little bit and fill the gap with something else. Don't beat yourself up over it though (pun not intended, but I like it ) it's great that you've started to wonder if it's the right thing to be filling that gap in your life, is the first step towards making some positive changes in your life.

Good luck!

 

[n3ophy7e]

Actually no, I don't love the Bible. I know why you assumed what you did, but I am not a Christian. I'll forgive you for that..

Masturbation from a physical standpoint is NOT as healthy as the medical establishment makes it out to be. For those over 40, yes, they should flush the pipes because the prostate is not as flexible as it once was, but for men under that age there is absolutely nothing unhealthy about celibacy or sexual restriction. Semen is the most valuble physical essence of your body.. the only tissue it has more in common with is neural tissue (the brain). It contains a lot of vitality.. it has to, what with its job to create life n all. If you constantly masturbate or release, you drain yourself of vital chemicals.. for the woman this is great as she absorbs it all through her vaginal walls, but for the man.. they don't call it the "little death" for nothing you know. Constantly draining yourself of those vital chemicals puts a strain on your body because semen production is the culmination of your inner alchemy/body process.

That is only physically. Mentally, masturbation is not good for you. Just ask the 1 in 2 males over 40 who suffer ED or sexual dysfunction. That is all caused by masturbation being the primary sexual association in their minds, instead of their partners vagina. In simple terms, they can't perform because they love their hand more.

You can believe the medical establishment and psychological establishment if you want, but I'd rather come to my own conclusions than trust them to be honest. Why? Because they ARE an arm of the Establishment, they want people to masturbate all the time because it makes people more placcid and easier to manage socially. It's the same reason why they allow homosexual rape to occur in jails.. they'd rather keep the inmates placcid than incur a riot because they haven't been able to fulfill their mental associations.

Masturbation is not a sin, but it isn't healthy for you. That's all.

SS, I completely respect and appreciate that this is your opinion. But please try to refrain from stating things as facts, where something is merely your opinion. There is a very big difference between the two.

For the 3 following points, I would very much like to see some written documentation in the form of a respected scientifically-based journal article, survey or website link etc which supports your statements:

Just ask the 1 in 2 males over 40 who suffer ED or sexual dysfunction. That is all caused by masturbation being the primary sexual association in their minds, instead of their partners vagina. In simple terms, they can't perform because they love their hand more.

If you constantly masturbate or release, you drain yourself of vital chemicals.. Constantly draining yourself of those vital chemicals puts a strain on your body because semen production is the culmination of your inner alchemy/body process.

they want people to masturbate all the time because it makes people more placcid and easier to manage socially.

 

[skillz~4~thrillz]

^^thank you effie and n3o...opinions are fine but SS,your opinion is just that-your opinion,followed up with no real sources.. there is nothing wrong with masturbation- heterosexual or homosexual. it has been pounded into us by society,culture,religion,ect that masturbation is wrong. look into some psychological and medical studies on the subject. and don't think that those great artists you mentioned never masturbated,my friend. it is a taboo that is finally been erased. besides,masturbation is a way for men and women to learn their bodies and what they need from a lover,partner,spouse. I am gay woman of 35-a damn fine one too. I have a gf and we still masturbate even though we have amazing sex. it is natural. and healthier than other practices.

 

[Bojangles69]

Actually no, I don't love the Bible. I know why you assumed what you did, but I am not a Christian. I'll forgive you for that..

Lol thanks. I'm still not sure why you would take such an outlandish stance especially when there is nothing but anecdotal evidence to support your stance.

Masturbation from a physical standpoint is NOT as healthy as the medical establishment makes it out to be. For those over 40, yes, they should flush the pipes because the prostate is not as flexible as it once was, but for men under that age there is absolutely nothing unhealthy about celibacy or sexual restriction.

See this is not even true. Men under 40 are the ones who need to shed dead sperm because men under 40 produce more sperm than men over 40. It’s the younger crowd that has to "flush the pipes". And it’s the men under 40 who are tortured by their sex drives and must face higher levels of anxiety if they don't masturbate.

Semen is the most valuble physical essence of your body.. the only tissue it has more in common with is neural tissue (the brain). It contains a lot of vitality.. it has to, what with its job to create life n all. If you constantly masturbate or release, you drain yourself of vital chemicals.. for the woman this is great as she absorbs it all through her vaginal walls, but for the man.. they don't call it the "little death" for nothing you know. Constantly draining yourself of those vital chemicals puts a strain on your body because semen production is the culmination of your inner alchemy/body process.

Just because semen "contains a lot of vitality" does not mean keeping it in your body will make you feel more alive. That is quite the leap of logic to make and even though you've said you're not religious you are officially using the same type of nonsense logic that a religious person would. Lets jut ignore "vital" research and form our own conclusions based on nothing but our own beliefs. That’s all you're doing. And it completely goes against the grains of science not just societies opinion like you said before.

These "vital" chemicals that are in your TESTES do not have any type of influence on your brain whatsoever. Ok let me rephrase that, they do. They make you more ANXIOUS the longer they stay in your testes. This is the whole point. Not only are you speaking anecdotal unicornian philosophy you're speaking directly against what the medical community has already proven about these "vital" chemicals and their role in the body.

Your body WANTS those chemicals GONE. And they have no real "vitality" without the female reproductive system as without the egg those "vital" chemicals are useless and all will die at some point.

That is only physically. Mentally, masturbation is not good for you. Just ask the 1 in 2 males over 40 who suffer ED or sexual dysfunction. That is all caused by masturbation being the primary sexual association in their minds, instead of their partners vagina. In simple terms, they can't perform because they love their hand more.

OMG you're concept of sex science is so distorted I don't even know where to begin.
There is NO SUCH THING as a relationship between masturbation and ED. And I WILL cite study after study proving this.

You are speaking about the porn situation that arose back in 2009 when mass bodies of BOTH college students and males over 40 were complaining about ED which was not about masturbation at all as it was about online pornography which DOES have a causal relationship with erectile dysfunction. The *research* showed that 80% of these men suffering from ED were watching hi stimulation online pornography. And that these men could NOT get hard without the fantasy from porn. The point being the *ED was caused by PORN*. Masturbation DOES NOT CAUSE ED. And that belief alone has as much grounds to support it as saying masturbation will make you go blind. Its ludicrous.

And guess what else? When porn was removed for 6 weeks, every single one of those men got their boners back. And most importantly they were MASTURBATING the WHOLE TIME during these 6 weeks. So NO masturbating has NO relationship to ED. Pornography does however. This has very specifically been proven time and time again I think you need to do more reading cause I'm not even sure what you are referring to once again.

You can believe the medical establishment and psychological establishment if you want, but I'd rather come to my own conclusions than trust them to be honest. Why? Because they ARE an arm of the Establishment, they want people to masturbate all the time because it makes people more placcid and easier to manage socially. It's the same reason why they allow homosexual rape to occur in jails.. they'd rather keep the inmates placcid than incur a riot because they haven't been able to fulfill their mental associations.

Masturbation is not a sin, but it isn't healthy for you. That's all.

Wowwww just wow. This discussion is over. "Masturbation makes people placid" herp a derp I'm glad you forgave me for my religious comment but I can not forgive you for making a remark as asinine as that. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.

You're not the only one to try and start an argument about masturbation being evil. Tons of people have already tried and failed miserably all for the same reason. You value something blindly because the concept is rare or esoteric and you lack any respect for actual knowledge, empirical evidence or research. Coming from someone who has done LOTS of research I can tell you lots of research is flawed. This is why we do more than 1 study on something.
This is why we read study after study and THEN write "studies" that literally do nothing but explain other studies. Because yes some studies are wrong as wrong can be. That doesn't say a single thing however about the accuracy of a community that uses EMPIRICALLY based evidence to formulate claims rather than nothing other than anecdotal evidence of which your post is drowning in.

I'm also tempted to say some offending things now seeing that your reasoning about other things seems to be on the level of a 5 year old as well. Correctional officers do NOT fucking allow inmates to rape each other once again just another absurd comment coming from your ridiculous logic. I've been to prison FFS and known enough people in prison to know that never fucking happens nor are you even close to anything accurate.

I'm going to end this, feel free to respond with more useless anecdotal conspiracy theories about masturbation. The whole point is men are TORTURED by their sex drives. Not masturbating causes high levels of anxiety, makes them irritable, high levels of depression when you can not find a partner to fuck. Thus the man masturbates and is relieved of all this these distressful emotions. Robin Baker and many other biologists have already proven this with about 20 years of very thorough research. Thousands of others have done research as well and came up with essentially the same conclusion. Masturbating tends to make men happier, increases test levels in the long run, decreases daily levels of anxiety and stress, and is a totally natural healthy thing to do.

For the 2% of men that jerk it till their dicks fall off, I can't even let you have that one. Cause those men were fucked in the head PRIOR to flogging the dolphin 90 times a day. You have said some really ridiculous things, you ARE entitled to your opinions, but you are NOT entitled to disgrace the face of science as it stands on some absurd paranoid opinions of masturbation. Men who don't jerk it are more likely to be depressed, more likely to be fat, more likely to be unhealthy all around. I'm not even sure why I'm pretending to argue with you here. I have to actually accept the idea that you might raise valid points in the first place, of which you do not. Unless you wanna start using blogs for reference like this one: http://thehealthblogger.com/masturbation-it-is-not-healthy-for-you-contrary-to-popular-belief/ cause you sure as hell won't find anything truly intelligent written to support your anti-masturbatory viewpoints.

We get it, masturbation is evil and we are all going blind one day. I'll let you wait for that to happen though while I go jerk off now.

 

[-=SS=-]

You're not the only one to try and start an argument about masturbation being evil.

Obviously you are all incapable of actually reading what I wrote. No where did I say masturbation was evil.. I just said it was unhealthy that's all. I don't care if you want to tug away, by all means go ahead.. I wasn't posting for any of you anyway, I was posting for the OP who I believe will do more harm to himself by trying to wank his way out of depression, an absolute impossibility. My advice was for him, not anyone else.

You can refer to the psychological "experts" all you want.. a few decades of "liberated sexuality" does not reverse thousands of years of experimentation with sexual energy/forces that lead to a sexual moral code to protect the individual and society, successfully. If you disagree with that just look at the declining state of our society in the West since we "free'd" ourselves of that "outdated morality", and the increase in sexually fueled crimes and sexual degeneracy. 20 years ago what is shown on TV today would have been considered outrageous.. now it is "normal" and no one complains. Don't try to tell me we are not going backwards.. it all stems from this absurd belief that sexual morality can be voted on democratically by psychological authorities, people who try to insist that sex is purely physical and has nothing to do with the Mind.

 

[1ll0gic]

I usually feel worse afterwards

Me too, I don't remember the last time I had a masturbation session and felt better or relieved, only worse and deep feelings of dissatisfaction

Is there any other activity that you can do at home instead of masterbating? Or is there some other activity you can do before you get home that will minimise the "alone time" you have at home? Is there any particular time of the day that you get cravings to masterbate?

I don't really get cravings to masturbate, more like I constantly feel dead inside and I just want a change of pace

Is there any way to address the friend situation?

I've tried. Every time I try to meet up with them to catch up on old times, I always feel a condescending vibe from them, I feel like they don't give a shit about who I truly am and they just see me as some loner weirdo freak just because I don't live the party life. They basically flat out don't respect me.

How about getting really involved with something at home?

I try, I definitely make an effort to try to enrich my life, but none of that masks the fact that I'm depressed and lonely as hell



I just wanna say thanks again, you guys offer amazing words and support. I'm just extremely lonely and I feel like it's getting pretty bad when something as simple as masturbation is affecting me so much. To be honest, I've been dying to see a psychologist for a long time now, but I have no idea how to go upon finding one, my insurance doesn't cover these things (although I'm willing to spend my pay checks from my part time job), and if for some reason it does go on my insurance, I don't want my mom to find out about it.
EDIT: nvm I just found out how much psychologists charge on average, there's no way I could afford that.

 

[-=SS=-]

<Please do not pre-emptively dictate what a medical professional will tell their patient, and please do not attempt to inhibit someone from seeking professional help for something - n3o>

Rather than shell out loads of money on a person who doesn't know YOU, why not take the objective approach and study yourself, yourself? You are the only one who can see the contents of your mind, all the psyc can do is see external behaviour and medicate accordingly.. that does little to resolve underlying problems, it only masks them. Is that what you want? Or do you want to get to the bottom of your troubles? If you stop masturbating and practice some introspection you will probably discover a few things about yourself which will give you motivation and get the wheels turning in your life again.

 

[n3ophy7e]

Rather than shell out loads of money on a person who doesn't know YOU, why not take the objective approach and study yourself, yourself? You are the only one who can see the contents of your mind, all the psyc can do is see external behaviour and medicate accordingly.. that does little to resolve underlying problems, it only masks them. Is that what you want?

Whilst I agree with your suggestion of self-introspection (which is always valuable for everyone to practice), I think you are getting psychologists and psychiatrists mixed up. Psychologists actually can not and therefore do not prescribed any psychiatric medications.
There is a lot of literature which strongly supports the benefits and success rates of psychological therapy (i.e. talking about one's thoughts/problems) for many different psychological issues including depression, compulsive behaviour, habits and addictions, and various other psychological issues that people face. I can give you links to some papers if you'd like to read more.

 

[Darksidesam]

Just ask the 1 in 2 males over 40 who suffer ED or sexual dysfunction. That is all caused by masturbation being the primary sexual association in their minds, instead of their partners vagina. In simple terms, they can't perform because they love their hand more.

If this is true, it explains a lot LMFAO,

ive used it as an escape from depression and loneliness for most of my life i guess.

 

[-=SS=-]

OP: Please ignore all the rambling diatribe between me and the other members. I got sidetracked from the point, which is your initial post/thread title. I recommend you take no less than 28 days masturbation free and then see how you feel, perhaps write a diary along the way to so you can look back over it at the end of that period. What do you have to lose? I know everyone but me is saying masturbation is perfectly healthy, but I am telling you, from a mental standpoint (which is what your title is about) that it is not, infact it would largely be contributing to your continued feelings of depression and isolation.

 

[DJ 303]

Lol thanks. I'm still not sure why you would take such an outlandish stance especially when there is nothing but anecdotal evidence to support your stance.



See this is not even true. Men under 40 are the ones who need to shed dead sperm because men under 40 produce more sperm than men over 40. It’s the younger crowd that has to "flush the pipes". And it’s the men under 40 who are tortured by their sex drives and must face higher levels of anxiety if they don't masturbate.




Just because semen "contains a lot of vitality" does not mean keeping it in your body will make you feel more alive. That is quite the leap of logic to make and even though you've said you're not religious you are officially using the same type of nonsense logic that a religious person would. Lets jut ignore "vital" research and form our own conclusions based on nothing but our own beliefs. That’s all you're doing. And it completely goes against the grains of science not just societies opinion like you said before.

These "vital" chemicals that are in your TESTES do not have any type of influence on your brain whatsoever. Ok let me rephrase that, they do. They make you more ANXIOUS the longer they stay in your testes. This is the whole point. Not only are you speaking anecdotal unicornian philosophy you're speaking directly against what the medical community has already proven about these "vital" chemicals and their role in the body.

Your body WANTS those chemicals GONE. And they have no real "vitality" without the female reproductive system as without the egg those "vital" chemicals are useless and all will die at some point.



OMG you're concept of sex science is so distorted I don't even know where to begin.
There is NO SUCH THING as a relationship between masturbation and ED. And I WILL cite study after study proving this.

You are speaking about the porn situation that arose back in 2009 when mass bodies of BOTH college students and males over 40 were complaining about ED which was not about masturbation at all as it was about online pornography which DOES have a causal relationship with erectile dysfunction. The *research* showed that 80% of these men suffering from ED were watching hi stimulation online pornography. And that these men could NOT get hard without the fantasy from porn. The point being the *ED was caused by PORN*. Masturbation DOES NOT CAUSE ED. And that belief alone has as much grounds to support it as saying masturbation will make you go blind. Its ludicrous.

And guess what else? When porn was removed for 6 weeks, every single one of those men got their boners back. And most importantly they were MASTURBATING the WHOLE TIME during these 6 weeks. So NO masturbating has NO relationship to ED. Pornography does however. This has very specifically been proven time and time again I think you need to do more reading cause I'm not even sure what you are referring to once again.




Wowwww just wow. This discussion is over. "Masturbation makes people placid" herp a derp I'm glad you forgave me for my religious comment but I can not forgive you for making a remark as asinine as that. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.

You're not the only one to try and start an argument about masturbation being evil. Tons of people have already tried and failed miserably all for the same reason. You value something blindly because the concept is rare or esoteric and you lack any respect for actual knowledge, empirical evidence or research. Coming from someone who has done LOTS of research I can tell you lots of research is flawed. This is why we do more than 1 study on something.
This is why we read study after study and THEN write "studies" that literally do nothing but explain other studies. Because yes some studies are wrong as wrong can be. That doesn't say a single thing however about the accuracy of a community that uses EMPIRICALLY based evidence to formulate claims rather than nothing other than anecdotal evidence of which your post is drowning in.

I'm also tempted to say some offending things now seeing that your reasoning about other things seems to be on the level of a 5 year old as well. Correctional officers do NOT fucking allow inmates to rape each other once again just another absurd comment coming from your ridiculous logic. I've been to prison FFS and known enough people in prison to know that never fucking happens nor are you even close to anything accurate.

I'm going to end this, feel free to respond with more useless anecdotal conspiracy theories about masturbation. The whole point is men are TORTURED by their sex drives. Not masturbating causes high levels of anxiety, makes them irritable, high levels of depression when you can not find a partner to fuck. Thus the man masturbates and is relieved of all this these distressful emotions. Robin Baker and many other biologists have already proven this with about 20 years of very thorough research. Thousands of others have done research as well and came up with essentially the same conclusion. Masturbating tends to make men happier, increases test levels in the long run, decreases daily levels of anxiety and stress, and is a totally natural healthy thing to do.

For the 2% of men that jerk it till their dicks fall off, I can't even let you have that one. Cause those men were fucked in the head PRIOR to flogging the dolphin 90 times a day. You have said some really ridiculous things, you ARE entitled to your opinions, but you are NOT entitled to disgrace the face of science as it stands on some absurd paranoid opinions of masturbation. Men who don't jerk it are more likely to be depressed, more likely to be fat, more likely to be unhealthy all around. I'm not even sure why I'm pretending to argue with you here. I have to actually accept the idea that you might raise valid points in the first place, of which you do not. Unless you wanna start using blogs for reference like this one: http://thehealthblogger.com/masturbation-it-is-not-healthy-for-you-contrary-to-popular-belief/ cause you sure as hell won't find anything truly intelligent written to support your anti-masturbatory viewpoints.

We get it, masturbation is evil and we are all going blind one day. I'll let you wait for that to happen though while I go jerk off now.

^this a hundred times over
+1
best post ive read in at least a year!
Bwahahahahaha!!! YES mate!!!!
SS you just got intellectually, morally, succinctly, articulately, humourously, empirically, and utterly destroyed!! Give it up man!
can we just take a minute to have a Bojangles appreciation moment?
bojangles mate you just covered everything i was desperate to say!
I spend waaaay too much of my life going on fruitless intellectual, empirical, rational, ethical, CORRECT rampages of this kind!
It gets me down sometimes because you cant teach a faith weilding nutter to listen if theyve got their fingers in their ears!
I even began to reply to this thread, wrote about 2 paragraphs and gave up.
Good on you man, we need more people like you!!
Bojangles69 - Bluelights own personal James Randi!
Perhaps a bojangles appreciation thread is in order.??
why should neo take all the credit all the time??? (i have it on good authority that she dances naked in front of her pets and once spent a night in a mental institute after she painted her feet to look like talons, heading down the local pet shop, and started picking up all the mice with her feet just so she could pretend she was an eagle)

anyway enough of my nonsense - im not exactly sober....just meant to say that you made my day.

By the way, im a music producer, run my own label - I have a track that is very very relevant to this thread and I really think it would be right up your street. here <snip>
I hope you have the chance to give it a listen.
let me know if you do!
(based on an original poem by t. minchin)


"evolution is only a theory" they say!
haha im glad thats the case! hopefully these people feel the same way about the "theory" of gravity!
and they might just float. the fuck. away....

Sorry SS mate.
I know I ought to respect peoples opinions.
I just find it difficult when they are wrong.
n30 put it more tacfully as she is a better person than me!
(apart from the aforementioned isolated incidents)

 

[DJ 303]

sorry i got off track mods!!!
please dont delete it just yet!

OP depression and stress happens to millions, me included.
speaking as a fully recovered anxiety induced benzo addict, i can tell you.
wanking is perfectly healthy and should be encouraged (within reason).
though it wont cure your problems, it certainly wont aggravate them either.
the issue is a bit more complex and i reccommend you see a professional.
theres great advice in this thread!! excersise is key too!
and try t be in contact with amazing people who will lift your spirits (N3O!!!!!)
You arent alone.
and you can and will beat this (no pun intended)
one day at a time man!


the pope and all those lovely bishops are celibate! they turned out fine!!! apart from the kiddie fiddling of course.
the moral is - keep spanking the monkey - as abstinence can in some extreme cases lead to peadofiddling!

 

[GoldenLovely]

Let's see...Depression happens...Keeping in mind that the main idea behind BL is harm reduction, which one of the following choices poses the least risk of harm to the individual. :A...Drugs. B. Massive quantities of fattening food C. Downing a bottle of Jim Bean. D. Beating the crap out of your loved ones. E. A quick tug of the pole if you're a guy or flick of the ole bean if you're a girl. I know which answer I'd pick.

Honestly, masturbation is completely harmless unless someone gets so obsessed with it, they can no longer function in their day to day lives. If you call in sick to work because you've got a date with your hand. If you miss family members birthdays because you're too involved with your own member, then yeah I'd say maybe youve developed a bit of an unhealthy habit.

The only other negative I can think of is if you expect to much from it. Masturbation is not going to cure your depression and if you expect it to keep you happy for long periods of time, then the disappointment or let-down might make you feel worse in the long run. However, if you use it as a light mood elevator when you're just feeling kind of crappy and you need something to get you through the day, have at it.

 

[Darksidesam]

^ well said, unfortunately , for some people such as myself, i end up doing most of the things you listed in a cycle.

 

[Piston]

There is no way in the world I could possibly not orgasm for 30 days. I masturbate at least once a week. I used to beat myself up over masturbation and feel a lot of guilt about it. I'd try and try again to stop, but would always end up failing because the urge would become too intense. Eventually, you start waking up with massive boners constantly, something I took as a sign from my body that it needed a release. If you keep fighting it, eventually your body will take matters into it's own hands and you'll have some sort of sexual dream and you'll wake up with your pants splooged. Your body needs this release. I've noticed too with a load that is old and stale after a long hiatus, it will be somewhat yellow in color, like puss or snot. It can't be healthy to store up old semen in your sack. Eventually, I just gave up and I beat the meat to my heart's content. If you can't beat em, join em.

 

[paranoid android]

Have you ever stopped to think WHY it feels so good? It's bait, it's natures way of ensuring the propogation of the species. It's got nothing to do with love or any other projection you want to place on it. As for all the great men, here are a few off the top of my head, but there are many more:

Newton
Da Vinci
Tesla
Beethoven
Mozart

You also blur the lines between hetero sex and masturbation. I agree that hetero sex is healthy, so long as you don't over do it, but masturbation is not. You may not see any benefits in celibacy but you haven't really looked hard enough, nor have you tried it so you would not know. FACT is people have ultilized it for thousands of years, and people continue to do so in to the present era. Tesla being one example, a man who did more for this planet than any other person of the last 200 years. Another would be author Napolean Hill who included the secret in his book on how to be a success in business.

"If you want a example of how celibacy could be harmful look no further then your one month challenge as i am pretty sure i would be getting into some damn violent fights" - Then you have a lot of problems in your head. If you can't go 1 month without release then really the urge controls you and not the other way around. Prove me wrong.

It feels good because of the fact that it releases certain feel good chemicals in your brain as well as doing alot of other things. Also sexercise is the best and most fun form of exercise there is. I am not blurring the lines between hetero sex as you say it 8) and masturbation as i would much rather be having sex with a woman then just being by my lonesome. Also what is the difference between hetero sex and homo sex? It's all about getting off after all and all that counts is that both people enjoy themselves. I mean I'm not gay (sadly enough as that would probably make my life easier but i just like women too damn much ) but i do like abit of anal sex now and again so is that up to your standards of hetero sex or am i a proper heathen altogether? I don't know how you can overdo sex unless you count the valentines day before last when me and my g/f at the time kept going until i thought i was going to drop dead of a heart attack :D

Also the fact that you say love has nothing to do with it makes me believe that you have never been in love before. There is a HUGE difference between having sex with someone you love and just a one night stand. If it's neurotransmitters causing this then don't you think nature made our brains to behave in this way? Who would want to go a full month without a orgasm seriously and what would be the point of it? To show you repressed a perfectly natural human desire that is part of evolution. Well congratulations for repressing something that nature obviously wants us to do or otherwise it would not feel so good. I went about 2 weeks once without having one (thank you effexor ) and guess what? It sucked bad and indeed sucked so bad that it turned me away from anti-depressants and any other psych med that had any indication of this side effect for years. So yes i did have a wee taste of celibacy and no sir i did not like it . Thankfully the only anti-depressant that works for me without driving me bat shit manic is wellbutrin which increases my sex drive so it's a win win

As for something being wrong in my head well that's up for debate although i doubt very much that anyone who went a month without getting off would be very pleasant to be around. So you see it would be far safer for society in general if i just keep on jerkin and shagging. Don't blame me blame nature for making me so moody