Using LSD as a psychotheraputic drug with significant other.

[Lunchboxor]

I would like to use LSD as a psychotheraputic drug for the relationship my girlfriend and I have with each other. Recently, my girlfriend betrayed me by lieing to me for the fifth time about the same thing. This has broke all trust I have for anything she says and does. I question everything because now im very unsure when she is lieing to me. Ive came to the conclusion she has stopped lieing, but, I still dont trust her, and it hurts both of us.

I have trust issues with people in general also, because of the past events in my life.

Im not trying this because I feel its a last resort, and the only way to make things better is drugs, rather, I want to be able to express to each other our deepest emotions without having all of the defense mechanisms we have up in everyday life.

We have done mdma a few times, mda once, and those drugs aren't very therapeutic, because of the tendency to forget what you were just talking about, among other things.

Im also experienced with LSD, as of now 5 trips under my belt, with only one loss of ego moment.

She, unfortunately is not experienced as I am, having never done acid.

Both of us have read through erowids Therapeutic use of LSD handbook, and I grasp concept of it. To attain change, the party involved is going to have to acknowledge change is needed, and in the time your intoxicated, discuss the change, discuss possibilities.

Its not that im worried of the chances of a bad trip, more like, I realize that in doing this, it can have a lasting impact on her life, positive or negative. Our goal is to have a positive outcome from this venture, obviously.

Also, I am not wanting just for my trust to magically grow back, but, to open us up to one another, so we have some sort of foundation for trust to be built again.

Now, writing this, im unsure of what I came to ask. Any input would be nice. Im planning on recording what we talk about in the time, but also write down what we feel is important for later analysis.

We dont have an exact date set for this yet, both of us being in college, and having jobs, a friday or saturday seems like the likely day for this to take place. Not so sure about this week or even next though.

 

[yougeekay]

just ditch the bitch man, when theyre really worth staying youll kno without question an wont be trying to jump through hoops about it..

save yourself pain an move on bro, she may not have wanted to ruin things but thats what she did....life has a plan but sometimes the plan changes youll both be okay when you heal and move on and start healthier relationships and learn from your previous one.

 

[any major dude]

I would think MDMA would probably work better for the type of thing you're talking about. IIRC it was initially used in marriage counseling before it made its way into wider therapeutic & popular use. I'm not sure if i've ever seen anything in writing about LSD therapy for couples. Though tripping together is quite a bonding experience, so it may work well. I wouldn't go into it with stellar expectations though.

 

[mr.mackey]

I found that MDMA and LSD together was more therapeutic for my (ex)lady friend and I than either LSD or MDMA alone. MDMA always felt too euphoric to me, as though I could not examine in an honest way those things that genuninely bothered me, MDMA just made me think that I loved EVERYTHING about her, which is slightly delusional. LSD helped me keep a better grasp on how I actually felt, but for me LSD has always been a drug that I find to be particularly introspective and analytic, not sure if thats how it affects everybody. Good luck, and I have to say it, trust is the foundation for a good relationship and psychedelics do have the potential to help give you perspective, but at the end of the day I always find a sober heart to heart to be much more effective.

 

[Renz Envy]

I know you may have already tried this, but why not use psilocybin? The introspective effects should guide your relationship and your mind in directions you may not have seen before.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

I would advise against this.

Just think. You are both tripping. Talking about how you cant trust eachother.

This is a recipe for disaster.

How will you feel when you are tripping and she tells you something to the sort of "I have been lying to you because I have been fucking your younger brother"

Or something else with ridiculous impact on your emotional wellbeing.


Do not dose LSD and then try to learn to trust eachother. Unless you want to end up hating eachother, or atleast feeling awkward for a very long time.

just my opinion, but I think it needed to be stated.

I hope all is well between you two.

 

[CatfishRivers]

Why not try some other activity to try and rebuild trust? Maybe you could do some sort of hiking trip, or white water rafting or rock climbing expedition that makes the both of you spend time with each other working together to complete some arduous physical task. Nature helps heal most things anyhow. But I definitely wouldn't try to fix a relationship through drugs. I mean stuff like that does happen sometimes for people, but I think the pretense of doing it as therapy might skew things with a whole other layer of tension and pressure to feel like you are "getting somewhere".


Ideally you just need to decide how much the relationship is worth to you and what you are HONESTLY getting out of it. If you are constantly questioning her loyalty and whether she is telling the truth to you, then that's not a good deal for either of you to be in. I've been there and if you are thinking that all the time, you are probably coming off kind of possessive and insecure, two horribly unattractive qualities that offer nothing positive to a relationship. You either have to be able to look past it all and start acting naturally, or just get out of the relationship and look for someone who better fits your honesty/loyalty needs. There's a shitload of people in the world you know, and no real need to obsess over one person if it's not working out...I dunno why more people haven't realized this. With 6 billion other mugs in the world, at least a billion people in the world are gonna probably be your type. Go explore someone new maybe, it might be what you really need.

Either way, good luck to you both and if you do decide to move forward with this it's probably best to find a trained therapist to over see the whole thing.

 

[DwayneHoover]

The ONLY thing useful for this would be some good pure clean MDMA (which should have almost a sedating, calming effect.. try to avoid shit mixed with speed). MDMA enhances empathy to a significant degree, which can help you to understand where the other is coming from, and even your own true feelings, and is used in all sorts of therapy situations.

The others, no, they're good for solo introspection, but can be quite risky for interpersonal stuff.

Psychedelics are potentially dangerous catalysts to emotional interactions... issues, problems, hurt feelings, disappointments, etc. can ALL become absurdly and damagingly exaggerated and potentiated, and even lead you down some really twisted, confused paths that you have NO idea how you got down, let alone know how to get back, and can cause further long-term damage to both your self and the relationship. They really DISTORT reality, entertainingly so at times, but this is the OPPOSITE of what you need for relationship work, which usually involves getting at the clear sober truth with a maximum of CALMNESS and beyond your illusions/delusions/games etc, and LSD can make these worse, and promote mental excitement etc. which can be a bad idea in these situations.

Mushrooms are especially dangerous in this regard, as they very often cause all manner of confusion and mind-fuckery and misunderstanding of what is really happening on all levels, especially interpersonal.

Beware. Advise against, except MDMA.

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

^ I agree with the fact that psychs can really distort your reality & make you see things in a way they aren't BUT out of all my psychedelic experiences over the past 5 years, I can say this has only ever happened after: A) too high a dose; B) a setting I wasn't comfortable with -- for example at raves when I wasn't experienced, with people who sent me off on weird thought loops by their energy/attitude etc, where a fight happened; and C) there isn't a C - these 2 things are what sent my trips off on bad ones.


I would advise against LSD if you've only taken it 5 times, that's not experienced, especially if you've only had one ego destroying trip - you have much to learn from Lucy.

I would suggest 50-70mg of MDMA taken apart, then meet up when on your peaks after thinking about things; 10-14mg 4-Ac0-DMT; 0.7-1.2g psilocybe mushrooms (or calculate the difference at the shroomery as this is a dose I'd take of genus Semilanceata) orally but not brewed into a tea; LSD - this is a tricky one, you don't want to be tripping too hard, but enough to open the floodgates a little.

I think this is a good idea, if you're both into it - it might not turn out how you wanted it, but hey that's life just get the setting right, and make sure you both know what you intention is for the experience.

Mmmm love.

From my personal experience MDMA and 4-AcO-DMT were very useful for realizing things about how I felt for the woman I'm seeing. VERY useful...4-AcO-DMT made me see that I did in fact love her and that I'd been holding that back, because I wasn't sure if I was ready for love after my previous relationship and that she had been raped in the past (she hadn't told me this til 2 months ago, but my 4-AcO experience was in spring); and MDMA - I took a dosage in that region I mentioned, thought about things and felt things, then picked some flowers and walked up to her house to see her, and opened up more.

DO IT!

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