ish675
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NONE! Don't take any, my life is a living hell because of those little white pills. Just smoke a bowl and stop thinking about it.
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Using hydromorphone for the first time. First opiate used ever, please assist!
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mrflowers00
Ex-Bluelighter
it's easy to say you won't do it again because you don't know where to get any but if you really wanted to you could find more opioid drugs
Moe-D
Bluelighter
Play on the safe-side and be aware my friend 
*sigh* Still worrying about you doing stuff this strong.. I guess people remember these advices IF they hit the rock-bottom with their live's.
But, enjoy a decent, overwhelming and pretty damn intense experience : D
Moe
*sigh* Still worrying about you doing stuff this strong.. I guess people remember these advices IF they hit the rock-bottom with their live's.
But, enjoy a decent, overwhelming and pretty damn intense experience : D
Moe
weekday warrior
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Mostly people talk about iv'ing hydromorph because thier tolerance is so high thats the only way to go, you having no tolerance there is no reason to even entertain the idea of iv'ing. Keep in mind that if you continue to use tolerance and dependence inevitably follow i did 80mg worth yesterday alone! Another thing, if you were willing to IV your very first time it's hard to say what decisions you might make if you were a junky in the depths of withdrawing, stay safe.
The only reason i ever started doing dilaudid was because heroin really wasnt doin it for me any more. but man that shit is so much more addicting than heroin IMO. but yeah if u have no opiate tolerance and let alone needle experience just stayaway.
usually IV is the last stop on the train after other ROA's and multiple uses of various opiates ceases to provide intensity and/or any recreational effects at all due to changes in how the body and most importantly brain reacts to opiates/opioids (tolerance)
i have to agree that IV is a naive thing to do, especially with someone so new to opiates. not only for a noobie, but for anyone! please, i beg of you, leave your thoughts of IV usage in a deep, dark corner of your mind. the fact that you have desires to IV so early in your career of opiate usage scares me, and should scare you. i would bet on you becoming physically or psychologically dependent on opiates due your statements/desires
my advice: sell your hydromorphone and spend the money on your loved ones, or basic necessities such as housing and food. i wish i would have never ingested opiates in my life as i found out that i have a specific allergy to opiates and any derivatives alike. my body REALLY REALLY REALLY loves opiates so much so that i fantasize and obsess over them.
not only am i telling this to you, but i am posting this because drugs are not cool. in recent years, i spent every minute of every waking hour scheming, stealing, and hustling for many different types of drugs.
if you have already tainted your body with other recreational substances such as marijuana or alcohol, that's a bummer but these substances are SO much less vindictive and seductive than opiates
i have to agree that IV is a naive thing to do, especially with someone so new to opiates. not only for a noobie, but for anyone! please, i beg of you, leave your thoughts of IV usage in a deep, dark corner of your mind. the fact that you have desires to IV so early in your career of opiate usage scares me, and should scare you. i would bet on you becoming physically or psychologically dependent on opiates due your statements/desires
my advice: sell your hydromorphone and spend the money on your loved ones, or basic necessities such as housing and food. i wish i would have never ingested opiates in my life as i found out that i have a specific allergy to opiates and any derivatives alike. my body REALLY REALLY REALLY loves opiates so much so that i fantasize and obsess over them.
not only am i telling this to you, but i am posting this because drugs are not cool. in recent years, i spent every minute of every waking hour scheming, stealing, and hustling for many different types of drugs.
if you have already tainted your body with other recreational substances such as marijuana or alcohol, that's a bummer but these substances are SO much less vindictive and seductive than opiates
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I have mixed feelings about this thread...
While I don't think anyone should start out using (let alone mainlining) dilaudid, if they're only 1 mg pills (I thought the smallest was a 2...go figure) though, it shouldn't be an issue assuming the OP doesn't get a boner from the high when it comes on and starts doing more...If you go to an opioid calculator, 2mg of oral dilaudid (1mg snorted) is about equal to 8mg of oral hydrocodone...albeit these are equi-analgesic doses, I'm just thinking back to the time that I first started doing opioids...I never really felt I had a good experience until I mixed 30mg of vicodin with 7 shots of 70-proof vodka and an ass-ton of weed, and didn't feel as though I really had a high unless I took at least 20mg vicodin thereafter (however, I was a husky little fucker when this occured)...IV usage would definitely be out of the question though as banging just one of those pills would be equivalent to orally taking 5 of them or snorting 2.5 of them. That covers my thoughts on the safety of this endeavor...
On the addiction/dependence side of the spectrum, I definitely would suggest to start with a more light-medium"weight" opioid...dilaudid has been described as the crack of opioids, and rightly so from anecdotes of the strength of the rush and its extremely short duration of action. I've already touched on IV usage; however, I would also like to state that this is going to result in a huge drawback to the drug and its experience. I've never recreationally IV'ed anything in my life, but even in pretty serious trauma could see the recreational values of IV Morphine when I was in the ER. I was taking 6-8 norco 10's daily and even just 4mg was enough to give me a decent pins/needles rush.
I've thought about IV'ing opioids outside of a hospital, but I only started thinking about that a good 3-4 years into my opioid usage, and this was due to rising tolerance/need for analgesia due to chronic pain (I didn't take vicodin, morphine and oxy more often than once or twice every 2-3 months until I was in chronic pain though). I wouldn't suggest this for anyone, and thankfully, from what I've read, you've decided not to shoot them, but if you do ever grow curious, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE take advantage of all the IV information on this site as well as others around the internet and research micron-filters for the direct administration of any pill-at the very least use a cotton to filter. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, but I just thought I might add my two cents.
While I don't think anyone should start out using (let alone mainlining) dilaudid, if they're only 1 mg pills (I thought the smallest was a 2...go figure) though, it shouldn't be an issue assuming the OP doesn't get a boner from the high when it comes on and starts doing more...If you go to an opioid calculator, 2mg of oral dilaudid (1mg snorted) is about equal to 8mg of oral hydrocodone...albeit these are equi-analgesic doses, I'm just thinking back to the time that I first started doing opioids...I never really felt I had a good experience until I mixed 30mg of vicodin with 7 shots of 70-proof vodka and an ass-ton of weed, and didn't feel as though I really had a high unless I took at least 20mg vicodin thereafter (however, I was a husky little fucker when this occured)...IV usage would definitely be out of the question though as banging just one of those pills would be equivalent to orally taking 5 of them or snorting 2.5 of them. That covers my thoughts on the safety of this endeavor...
On the addiction/dependence side of the spectrum, I definitely would suggest to start with a more light-medium"weight" opioid...dilaudid has been described as the crack of opioids, and rightly so from anecdotes of the strength of the rush and its extremely short duration of action. I've already touched on IV usage; however, I would also like to state that this is going to result in a huge drawback to the drug and its experience. I've never recreationally IV'ed anything in my life, but even in pretty serious trauma could see the recreational values of IV Morphine when I was in the ER. I was taking 6-8 norco 10's daily and even just 4mg was enough to give me a decent pins/needles rush.
I've thought about IV'ing opioids outside of a hospital, but I only started thinking about that a good 3-4 years into my opioid usage, and this was due to rising tolerance/need for analgesia due to chronic pain (I didn't take vicodin, morphine and oxy more often than once or twice every 2-3 months until I was in chronic pain though). I wouldn't suggest this for anyone, and thankfully, from what I've read, you've decided not to shoot them, but if you do ever grow curious, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE take advantage of all the IV information on this site as well as others around the internet and research micron-filters for the direct administration of any pill-at the very least use a cotton to filter. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, but I just thought I might add my two cents.
There's some really excellent advice in this thread. If you have no opioid experience, IVing is most definitely not a good idea at all, especially something as strong as hydromorphone - could be fatal, at the very least you are likely to feel very unwell, and IV is such a dangerous and seductive ROA. As others said, it's usually something people come to after exhausting all other ROAs when their tolerance rises too high.. it carries so many risks, your tolerance will sky-rocket and it can exert a huge psychological pull over you.
In addition, IVing pills carries extra risks (in addiction to everything coered in this IV complications megathread) - the fillers/binders can lodge in your lungs causing a permanent and progressive lung condition called pneumoconiosis (not unlike emphysema from smoking). In order to prevent this it is vital you use a micron filter. Think of how much crap there is in a pill containing only 1mg of active ingredient..
Insufflating pills isn't ideal either, as the filler/binders can coat your nasal passages, blocking absorption of the drug and potentially causing irritation or acting as a focus for infection. Particles can also fly into your lungs and it may be possible for them to cause damage there as well. Oral is the safest method of ingestion; the bioavailability is low, but if you have no tolerance then you want that!
Definitely do not IM pills, ever! IMing can actually be considered more risky than IVing. With IV, any filler/binder/bacteria you introduce is swept away in the bloodstream, diluted down and in a position to be removed by the body's immune system should it need to be. With IM, it is all deposited into your muscle, where it sits and can develop into an abscess which can lead to sepsis, tissue destruction and even amputation. It is absolutely essential you use a micron filter, but even then it is not a good idea at all. The only thing it is safe to IM really is a sterile solution designed for IM use..
In addition, IVing pills carries extra risks (in addiction to everything coered in this IV complications megathread) - the fillers/binders can lodge in your lungs causing a permanent and progressive lung condition called pneumoconiosis (not unlike emphysema from smoking). In order to prevent this it is vital you use a micron filter. Think of how much crap there is in a pill containing only 1mg of active ingredient..
Insufflating pills isn't ideal either, as the filler/binders can coat your nasal passages, blocking absorption of the drug and potentially causing irritation or acting as a focus for infection. Particles can also fly into your lungs and it may be possible for them to cause damage there as well. Oral is the safest method of ingestion; the bioavailability is low, but if you have no tolerance then you want that!
Definitely do not IM pills, ever! IMing can actually be considered more risky than IVing. With IV, any filler/binder/bacteria you introduce is swept away in the bloodstream, diluted down and in a position to be removed by the body's immune system should it need to be. With IM, it is all deposited into your muscle, where it sits and can develop into an abscess which can lead to sepsis, tissue destruction and even amputation. It is absolutely essential you use a micron filter, but even then it is not a good idea at all. The only thing it is safe to IM really is a sterile solution designed for IM use..
LSDiesel
Bluelighter
Whoa Whoa, Hes talking about OXYMORPHONE, not HYRDROMORPHONE.
Oxymorphone = Opanas
Hydromorphone = Dilaudid
Oxymorphone is supposedly more potent IV
I actually don't know
both are supposed to create incredible rushes, comparable to, or better than morphine or diamorphine
I only have IV diamorphine experience
Oxymorphone = Opanas
Hydromorphone = Dilaudid
Oxymorphone is supposedly more potent IV
I actually don't know
both are supposed to create incredible rushes, comparable to, or better than morphine or diamorphine
I only have IV diamorphine experience
Oxymorphone is MUCH more potent than hydromophone via IV/IM/SC, anal, and intranasal pathways, but is slightly less potent via the oral route...
However, the OP mentioned hydromorphone and didn't even bother mentioning a brand-name...someone else brought up Opana, but not the OP...
However, the OP mentioned hydromorphone and didn't even bother mentioning a brand-name...someone else brought up Opana, but not the OP...
pally pete
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Thats what we're here for, to help each other use substances whatever they maybe as safely and responsibly as possible.
And your not a stranger... your part of the family.
Sprout
Bluelight Crew
Drop the needle. Drop the Dilaudid.
Get some codeine or hydrocodone for Christ's sake.
This is beyond stupid.
I can't even attempt to be civil here - this is perhaps the most insane thing I've ever read.
Best/worst of Bluelight nomination.
Get some codeine or hydrocodone for Christ's sake.
This is beyond stupid.
I can't even attempt to be civil here - this is perhaps the most insane thing I've ever read.
Best/worst of Bluelight nomination.
Sprout
Bluelight Crew
Yes, fent is ridiculous and the poster would receive the same advice.
H is questionnable, not advisable but the dosage required to OD is much larger than HMorphone before cuts are taken into consideration.
Is it that difficult to find codeine/hydrocodone/tramadol?
H is questionnable, not advisable but the dosage required to OD is much larger than HMorphone before cuts are taken into consideration.
Is it that difficult to find codeine/hydrocodone/tramadol?
opiatekrzy
Bluelighter
IMO dilaudid is a wasteof money and time, its so short acting u gotta take them damn things 8 times a day. when i ran out of heroin, i IVed dilaudid 4mg, all ig ot was an INTENSE 5 second rush LITERALLY, 5 SECONDS, no buzz after that , just a rush and i felt sober, it was a total waste
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
^^
That's the one downside to IV hydromorphone... it's super short acting. I mean, I can balance it out a bit if I mix some H into my shot.. but shooting straight dilaudid by itself, even at 40mg's + which is where my habit is at..it still has no legs whatsoever. Awesome rush.. but that's it. I'm a rush fiend, so I still love it.. but, I wish it lasted longer. It's super easy to go through a bottle of 8mg dillie's in a couple days.
That's the one downside to IV hydromorphone... it's super short acting. I mean, I can balance it out a bit if I mix some H into my shot.. but shooting straight dilaudid by itself, even at 40mg's + which is where my habit is at..it still has no legs whatsoever. Awesome rush.. but that's it. I'm a rush fiend, so I still love it.. but, I wish it lasted longer. It's super easy to go through a bottle of 8mg dillie's in a couple days.
First time opiate user and you want to do hydromorphone first? I don't think that's very safe and plus since you are new to opiates take this time to enjoy things like codeine or hydrocodone because if you jump the gun straight to a heavy-duty narcotic, codeine or hydrocodone will have little to no effect on you when you do want to do them. I'd say the same goes for oxycodone but to a lesser extent.
Personally I think you're jumping the gun here. Start of with codeine and work your way up slowly.
Personally I think you're jumping the gun here. Start of with codeine and work your way up slowly.