Using Heroin on Suboxone - affects on tolerance

[Rover]

Hi,

Will using H while on a dose of Subs still affect your tolerance or is the Suboxone the only thing affecting your tolerance until it wears off.


I wanted to get of H with Subs using a 5 day Sub taper. I waited 12 hours before taking the Subs (9am did H, 10:30Pm Did first dose of Sub) . I was in extreme W/D (Heavy User) and I didn't get any better so I took another Sub at 2m (16mg total counting the first dose) and felt even worse until about 6 am the next day and I was completely out of W/D other than all my body pains were back TEN FOLD - My legs hurt so bad I couldnt walk (pain problems being the reason I became an H user). So I took another 2mg dose of Subs hoping it would get rid of my pain.

Now nothing was working and I couldnt even walk so I broke down and started doing H throughout the day knowing I wouldn't get high but hoping it would get rid of my pains, I went through an entire G throughout that day, never got high once but all my pains are gone. I did another point of H at 8 am this morning, which is officially 24 hours since my last dose of Subs which was 2mg (I mentioned above). I still didn't get high at all but my pains are gone.

My question is this... are the subs still working and blocking the H after this one night of usage? (this is my first time ever taking subs) Also, how is doing H throughout this period affecting my tolerance, or is not affecting my H tolerance at all because the subs are still blocking the H from my receptors?

My last question is after doing all the H yesterday while the subs were blocking it mean I cant take subs again now without going into P/WD? OR since the subs blocked it, it in affect, has had no affect on my body chemistry and I can continue my doses of subs...?

please don't judge, I am just looking for some complete and straight forward answers to my questions

Thank you.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

My question is this... are the subs still working and blocking the H after this one night of usage? (this is my first time ever taking subs) Also, how is doing H throughout this period affecting my tolerance, or is not affecting my H tolerance at all because the subs are still blocking the H from my receptors?

My last question is after doing all the H yesterday while the subs were blocking it mean I cant take subs again now without going into P/WD? OR since the subs blocked it, it in affect, has had no affect on my body chemistry and I can continue my doses of subs...?

Yes the sub is still working, you took a pretty high dose and it has a very long half life (24-48 hours) so that means every 24 hours or so the amount in your system is cut in half.. so it could take A LONG time for you to get a "rush" or "high" off heroin. I have used smaller amounts of sub (2mg) and shot about .7 of heroin and didn't get a rush but got FUCKED UP, could not stay awake for the life of me... Apparently on low doses of suboxone you can break through the blocking affects if you do enough H.

The subs are covering your receptors so you really aren't doing ANYTHING to your tolerance, lowering it or heightening it.

And yes you can take a sub, as long as there are more suboxone in your system then Heroin you can take a sub, and considering it's still blocking you can take another sub and not go into PWD.. I've done this: Taken 4mg subs one day, shot up that night (.5 grams of heroin), next morning get up, place 2 mg sub under my tongue while cooking up another .5 shot, did the shot as the sub was dissolving, no rush, no PWD but I took a nice nap

Hope this helps, I'd be happy to answer any other questions as well... I have a lot of experience with opioids and combinations and what not... just remember everyone is different and be careful

 

[Rover]

Thank a ton! You pretty much answered exactly how I was hoping someone would! I am trying to get off H after a pretty bad habit that I've had for 6 months now (started in November). I know I am wasting the dope but it gets rid of my craving to do it while on the subs.

I just wanted to be sure that doing it that way isn't just increasing my dependence to dope, while also not even getting high off of it. ( let me know if you have anything to add to this)

I basically am doing a sub taper, I started with the first night which I explained above and took another 2mg this morning.

So my first dose of 8 mg sub was at 10:30 PM Friday. Second dose of 8 mg sub was at 2:30 am Saturday. Third dose of 2-4 mg sub (didn't cut the strip perfectly)(IV'd it also) 10 am Saturday. Fourth dose of 2mg of sub today, Sunday, at around noon.

I either suffered from PWD Friday night because I only waited 13.5 hours before my last shot to take the first sub of 8 mg. I was convinced I was going to have a seizure I was shaking so badly along with chills and yada yada
so I thought I was definitely in the clear.

Hours that felt like years of course just kept getting worse and worse after my first dose which is when I thought for sure I was going through PWD but I was SOO !@#!@ed up and out of I took the other 8 mg sub (noted above) and eventually after enough xanax I passed out until 9 am. I woke up feeling fine, no WD whatsoever, EXCEPT EXTREME knee/bone pain. My entire legs were just throbbing with pain.


Good moment for a quick background check:
I suffer from extreme body wide aching and pain and specifically in my legs.
The reason I started doing dope was because it was more cost efficient than to buy pills. I never used dope to nod out. Only for pain management where I would do a small amount about every 3 hours, give or take.
This is all fine an dandy until my tolerance got to a gram every 2.5 days habit and IV'ing instead of my original method of snorting it. NO EXCUSES, SIMPLE BACKGROUND OF MY SITUATION. Point is my habit spiraled out of control. BACK TO THE POINT:

When I woke up Sunday and decided to take that IV Sub, was only because I knew the dope I had wouldn't work and my legs HURT SO BDA. It didnt work so I went through a gram of dope Saturday which I never got high off of but my pain did go away (not sure how that works exactly) . Today I've only done probably .25 g of dope just because of routine and havent felt it whatsoever but still feel I need it because my legs hurt so bad and the subs don't do anything for the pain.

I cant decide whether to spend money on dope or more subs(which idek if I can find and I only have 20 mg of subs left) in order to wean off the next coming days. Will taking just 2 mg of Sub the next couple days keep me comfortable with the habit I had? Or do I definitely need more Subs?

Also is IV'ing significantly higher Bio Ava. (obviously its the highest) than sublingual that its worth IV'ing it? Because if sublingual is like 75% it seems worth it to IV. I feel I have the mind to wean / taper off the dope but is it best to just do the Subs?

I was going to do a fast taper the next couple days using dope and subs together. IDK, idk whats best to suffer the least at the end.

Thanks again.

 

[Rover]

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[SixBuckets]

Be careful with this - while ODs on Suboxone are rare, they have happened, and they're usually the result of people taking excessive doses of heroin to try and "shoot through" the blunting effect of the Suboxone. Yes, the Suboxone has a higher receptor affinity than the heroin, so it will stop you getting the full "feel" of a hit of heroin, but if you take enough h, you'll drop.

 

[ksralyv2mch]

The problem with fast tapers is the faster the taper the more painful it'll be ...or better yet the longer the taper the less painful it'll be. For me whenever I tapered with suboxone I would go: 4mg in the morning and 2mgs at night for 2 days, then 2mgs in the AM and PM for 4 days, then 2mg in the AM 1mg in the PM for 2days, 1mg in the AM and PM for 3 days, then 1mg in the AM and .5mg in the PM (this is when IVing it is REALLY worth it, you should be careful IVing anything more than 2mg) for 2 days, .5mg in the AM and PM for 3 days, .25mg in the AM And PM for 3 days (I also recommend you start taking benzos around this point too as you won't be feeling so hot...)

Basically tapering down with subs is easy until you get to <4mg... that's when it starts to get a bit squirrelly but it's nothing too bad... Yawns, runny eyes and nose, the occasional cold chill...

But I mean everyone is different and if you are suffering from legitimate pain why not get a legit script?

2mg will not hold you over for the next couple days... maybe for one day? Although IV'ing has 100% BA it has a shorter duration and it's SUPER dangerous! Try plugging it, it's got 98% BA and it isn't NEARLY as dangerous.

Hope some of this helps... if you want to quit dope dont spend your money on more dope spend it on suboxone.