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using dpt to get off of drugs (opiates)

Bigazznugz

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hi everybody I wanted to start this thread just because I haven't really seen too much information on this particular topic. I'm sure that most of you know that dmt or aYewaska forgive my spelling it that last word was wrong, can be used to help cure people of alcoholism, opiate addiction, and I guess a few other things. now what I'm really getting at is that as I've heard of actually a couple of reports of people using DPT while they were on opiates or methadone,( which is what I am on) and then after their trips having no desire whatsoever to use the drug and many of them have been clean since. now I know that dmt would substitute much better but it is a legal and I don't have a source forIt. and I want to know is that while the person is tripping I guess they have to go into a deep meditation before they take the drug? and I also know that a shaman and then is very helpful. but does anybody have any input on anything I can do to help along this journey that I am getting ready to try and also this is my first experience with Dpt. and I have never done DMT before I have my only have 35 milligrams material to work with. but I figure that is enough for me for my first time.
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The correct spelling is ayahuasca.
Anyway yes dpt COULD help, as could any other psychedelic but entering your trip with the mindset "I'M GONNA HAVE SUCH A MEANINGFUL TRIP AND NEVER DO OPIATES AGAIN" is going to get you no where, personal revelations cannot be forced and psychedelics are much to predictable anyway.
As well once you come to the realization that you no longer wish to use opiates whilst under the influence of psychedelics, you still have to take what you've learned and be able to apply it everyday.
I highly doubt you are going to have one trip and suddenly all your cravings are gone, you're still going to need mass amounts of willpower to overcome the psychological cravings let alone the physical withdrawals
 
yeah but I'm really what I want is wanting to know is what do the Shamans do during ayahuasca rituals that people actually pay for to help their opiate addiction or alcoholism and who knows maybe I could apply that to taking the DPT
 
I would say some sort of meditation before hand to relax and during to allow greater and clearer access to your thoughts.
Simple breathing techniques are all that is needed, but as to what shamans do for their specific rituals I'm unsure as I've never seen or experienced one
 
Well, not being cynical here, but mostly the shaman makes them think that something significant is happening. These people, by virtue of being there and seeking this experience, are already looking for something profound. They're primed for the experience. Just having someone open the door and say whatever baggage you're carrying, now is the time to let it go and work through it, well that is all it takes.

The drug will certainly allow for a profound and life changing experience, it can catalyze such a thing for sure. The problem is that the real change is entirely within the individual, executed by the individual, and maintained by the individual. DPT and DMT in and of themselves don't automatically erase the psychological programming of an opiate habit.

So as Holy Toast said, sometimes these drugs can help, but you should not put all your eggs in that one basket and count in this as a miracle cure.

I say try that 35mg, and hope for the best. Let yourself believe it is going to change things. Give yourself every opportunity for it to help you.

When it is all said and done, if it didn't help you, don't give up on getting clean or trying new things just because that one time didn't work. Don't let yourself become disenfranchised or downtrodden, there are still a lot of different ways to get clean.
 
They sing songs, blow smoke over you and shake twigs around. What's important though is that you feel safe in the environment you're in and the shamans job is basically to provide you with that feeling of security. That's why they are known as 'guides'. They guide you through a potentially difficult process and tell you it's ok.
 
I've tried this my friend and I'm here to tell you no substance is going to help you beat it.

I've gone through attempts with all sorts of things to kick the opiate habit including DPT. Like you I thought maybe I'd have a life changing trip on it and would discover the magic that would keep me away from opiates. I thought things would be different post trip and I'd become that nice person I knew existed somewhere inside of me still.

So I bought the DPT, and I snorted it, and smoked it, and tripped until all 250mg I had was used up a few days later.

It showed me things, things I really don't like to talk about. It is one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had with drugs. I choose not to repeat it as frankly I felt something evil about the substance. Its probably in my head but I swear I could feel something I can only describe as demotic when I was using DPT. I am a rational person and don't really believe in spirits but every now and again I get bad feelings about things and DPT just has that presence about it.

Anyway back to the topic at hand. My greater point is I've gone through the paces searching for what you're searching for with your use of psychedelics. I just wanted to tell you that these substances might be able to show you the faults within yourself but they can't flip a magic switch that turns off opiate addiction. You have to apply the lessons you learn and use your will power to over come the opiates. Even if you feel no desire to use in the days following your trip it doesn't mean you won't be tempted to use again in the future.

The change has to come from you, not the drug.
 
From personal experience....not likely....but anything is possible. I did spend many months with a few grams of DMT and DPT and did use both trying to get off suboxone....and just could not 'trip my way out of addiction.' For me, it wasn't a matter of wanting to quit or needing to quit...or knowing or not knowing that I should quit...it was a matter of not being able to get past the 'PAWS' (post acute Withdrawal symptoms). The existence of "PAWS' is a little controversial but in my case it was very real. Nothing could touch that (until iboga but that is a different post).

Maybe add a little bit more about your circumstances (specifically how long you have been on methadone) as I think the length of addiction is a huge factor. Methadone is a horrible thing to get off of, and I truly wish you the best of luck.
 
Listen, this is when you need to ask yourself, how in control of you, you really are.
Dipropyltryptamine is more spiritual and personal in an existential way than DMT. IF you feel as if your Opiate addiction is not so much a physical thing as it is a spiritual thing.
You are going to need a guide, Jumping into this head first isn't going to cure you. if anything it could torment you and make you use them that much harder. You'd go back doing them in excessive doses to cure yourself of the pain you felt during the dpt.


DPT can facilitate this absolution of the past. I was the trip sitter for my friend Danny who developed quite the addiction to smoking Oxycontin. He smoked so many he had no teeth and his addiction stemmed from the fact that the love of his life passed on while giving birth to his child.
His child also died in the process as it was several months early. But being poor and living off of a diet of cigarettes and fast food. You know life can be a bitch and then it kills your bitch and your kid leaving you to figure out the rest of your life.
Oxys to him, seemed to be the ideal choice.

One session with 500mg orally of DPT and alot of crying and hugging and listening to music over like 10 hours and stuff literally helped this guy alot. He drinks beers and smokes a shit ton of weed. but I think the key thing here is, that Oxys aren't in his life anymore. You need someone who is willing to help carry the weight of the world for this time while you are expressing yourself at your absolute highest. Or else you might run into dark corridors. This person also cannot be high with you as you don't want whatever negative forces that have over taken your life to some how manifast their resolve in the mind of the person who is trying to help you, that isn't nice or fair.

This isn't about psychoanalysis as much as it is up rooting the tick, or the problem at it's core. You know what the problem is. You want to fix it, meditate on that with the DPT in hand for days, weeks. Just tell it your goal. Before you do it, make sure that when you look at it, you almost fear it because you know it knows you want to be sober from opiates.
Make sure you have someone you trust, your soberest friend, or someone who you know you wronged but doesn't hate you, and wants to see your life improve.
Thats who i was to Danny. A teacher.

2c-e also helped me with my amphetamine addiction more so than Ayahuasca, Mushrooms, DMT,
I've only done 2c-e 10 times in 13 years, but that one month where i did it alone 4 times in a month... that showed me the world and things about myself that unfurl like a lotus slowly over time. I felt that like without that primer of teaching myself how to function differently out side of the drill point amphetamine tip literally brought me so much more clarity and resolve. I felt compassion again, it was amazing.
i do amphetamines once a year as a treat and not an insane amount. Generally usually at the greatest concert of the year.

anything can be done with the power of intention but it can't be done with any bullshit attached you can't be thinking about healing yourself then asking it for your ex-girlfriend back.
Shit doesn't work like that.
 
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i am an ex-heroin addict and have been on suboxone for years now. i have tripped dozens and dozens of times since i wanted to stop using these drugs and i have been shown serious insight about myself, why i am still on these drugs and why it would help me to get off. sadly the experience has never been strong enough for me to up and quit, but i have had an opiate habit for almost ten years now. i think if i hadnt done psychedelics prior to all of the opiate stuff it would have went differently. the first time i took LSD i quit smoking cigarettes that day. just showed me how dumb and pointless it was. i WISH psychedelics could do this for me, but it seems that iboga actually could do it.

when i get off of suboxone before i check myself into a super expensive rehab center i will go to NY and do the iboga thing.
 
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