Using both piracetam & 2C-D to lengthen MDMA peak?

[KingBlueTwista]

I know from first hand experience that taking piracetam just before a roll will extend the peak by ~2 hours, and I've also read some anecdotal reports that taking a small amount of 2C-D just before the tail end of a roll can extend it by up to another 4-5 hours without adding its own flavour to the broth. So if the mechanisms don't interact in an odd way then theoretically a single bomb could last 9-10 hours!!

So I have a few questions; has anyone used both of these to successfully potentiate a single roll? Did you time the intake of both as you would if using each potentiator alone? Lastly, what dosage of each did you use?

No worries if no-one has done it, just wanted to get some vague guidelines to make the most out of my stash. I'm gonna try it at a rave tonight anyway, so I'll report back in a few days with the details

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

alright,

this is definitely an Ecstasy Discussion topic. and as far as i can tell, this thread does not violate their guidelines. though i am sure some searching in threads already there could help you too.

have fun tonight. hope it works somewhat how you expect.


BDD ---> ED

 

[socalthizzn]

2cd is nt going to extend your peak. Why not just dose your 2c then later drop your mdma?
Preload your piracetam, i wouldnt tale it that day of your roll though.

 

[KingBlueTwista]

Righto, cheers for moving it hydro completely forgot about the ecstacy discussion section hehe. I did search and found info about taking each on its own with MDMA, but not both together.

2cd is nt going to extend your peak. Why not just dose your 2c then later drop your mdma?
Preload your piracetam, i wouldnt tale it that day of your roll though.

I've read a few reports from reliable people in the big and dandy 2C-D thread that this is true. Here's one -

Taking 2C-D after about 4 hours of taking MDMA basically extended the MDMA for 5 more hours without producing any extra crash and very little effect of its own... it was very interesting.

Just wondering if you say this from experience or because it just sounds very unlikely? (which it does, I'm a little skeptical myself tbh)

Also I have been preloading with piracetam but why shouldn't I take it on the same day?

 

[socalthizzn]

You'll probably get better answers in PD.
Ill send this there if you like.

 

[KingBlueTwista]

Please do

 

[SinisterMuffin]

Bumping, because this is very relevant to my interests...

 

[bartlebooth]

I've never experienced any extended duration of MDMA effects by combining with 2C-D. Not to say it's not an enjoyable combo. MDMA tends to reduce visual activity with any 2C-x I've combined it with, too, which is not altogether unwelcome under the right circumstances.

 

[atara]

I suppose it's possible, psychedelic tofu and all. You probably won't want any more than 20 milligrams, or less. A similar effect was noted with MEM:

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal122.shtml

The transition was very smooth, with no obvious loss of the MDMA experience. I felt less of a need to talk, but the intimate closeness with the others was maintained. The experience continues to grow more profound and euphoric and I prayed, in the latter part of the afternoon, that it wouldn't stop. It continued until midnight with marvelous feelings, good energy, and much hilarity. And it abated very little over the next several days leaving me with the feeling of lasting change with important insights still coming to mind one week later.

 

[KingBlueTwista]

Alright, update about saturday night:

An hour before I left to go to this huge rave I took 3200mg of Piracetam and a low dose of kratom - about 6g's of green indo, then ended up dropping 25mg 2C-D with 250mg MDMA on the train there, which screwed up the whole experiment of testing the MD prolonging powers of 2C-D because it probably gave me tolerance for later drops of it (which I forgot about at the time). Needless to say though, this combo is FUCKING INCREDIBLE, not pushy or overly intense at all, waves of incredible euphoria repeatedly crashed over me and pulled me back into the bliss, just pure, unadulterated bliss. Although I wasn't feeling too energetic as I usually do on MD alone so I drank 2 red bulls and then I could dance my ass off all night no problem! About 3 hours in I snorted 400mg of methylone to boost the euphoric aspect and it added to the high a little bit but I couldn't really tell, though probably just because I was already mashed out of my potato.

2C-D seems to ramp up the erotic edge of molly to immense levels, kissing felt almost orgasmic, my girl had me mesmerised with her movements, I couldn't take my eyes off her beauty. Even found myself dry humping her on a random couch at one point lol. The music enhancement was on another level, absolutely mind-blowing. I could feel my nervous system perfectly synchronised with the deep rhythm and bass as the sound-waves enslaved my body like a puppeteer and freed my mind like I've never experienced. All of this went on for a good 4 hours at least.

At some point around 4-5 hours after I got there I dropped another 25mg of 2C-D and just as the high was ramping up I realised that this was a terrible idea. My energy got sucked out of me and my thoughts became jumbled, even non existent sometimes which was worrying. I had to sit down outside, then I started hallucinating quite strongly, OEVs were just standard morphing but CEVs I saw insane amounts of eyes of every colour that took on the characteristics of the eyes of whoever I was thinking about. Then I saw random faces of people and my girl dancing, somehow still composed of eyes but looking as they do normally, it was crazy. I wasn't feeling dysphoric in my own little world, but I was gutted I couldn't get in and rave and it was fucking annoying that my inner-voice seemed silent because I couldn't even hold a proper conversation. So that fucked the rest of the night for me basically.

The combo to begin with was the best high I have ever experienced (and I've experienced quite a few), I highly recommend it!! Just keep the 2C-D on the low side, don't make the same mistake I did and you'll be chipper

 

[SinisterMuffin]

...mashed out of my potato.

Oh my gosh...I laughed so hard!! I'm going to have to adopt that phrase. XD

But moving on...do you feel the Piracetam did prolong the MDMA peak this time, too, even though it was a combo with 2C-D? Is it just because you had already taken 2C-D earlier that you feel the second dose made things less enjoyable? Or do you think it would have affected the roll negatively since you took it late in the game anyway? Otherwise, I've heard good things about mixing MDMA with most of the 2Cs, so if I ever get my hands on any again, I'll have to try it!! Thanks for sharing your experience - I'm definitely curious to know more about extending rolls, since they make me feel like nothing else!

 

[Nateup]

I have tried using 2c-e late in a roll to prolong the effects - it worked great and extended things by many hours... but then I tried it a different time with a higher dosage, with piracetam included, and things got downright nasty. Way too overstimilated to the point where it wasnt enjoyable at all... then things got very nastily serotonic... (hard to explain) and I actually worried that I was dying. Eye shakes were going so crazy that I couldnt keep my eyes aligned for more than a second... now this may sound enjoyable to those familiar with the nystagging effects of mdma, but this was something completely different. (and I know every in and out of the mdma experience, at extremely high dosages.
This was not just a psychedelic freakout - the whole time I was wishing that I wasnt in such physical termoil, because then i could melt away into it. I really wanted to dive into the ego death, but just wouldnt allow myself to when I was worried about being in physical danger.

I would like to try the combo maybe with a much more mild 2c, like this "d". With 2c-e it is just too stimulating... although it did show me that it would probably work miraculously with "D" or "B". I know there is no way of actually knowing, but that nights combination of very high-dose mdma, above average dose of 2c-e, and surprisingly moderate dose of piracetam (compared to some of yalls doses), and 5htp really ended up making me feel on the verge of serotonin syndrome!

 

[KingBlueTwista]

Oh my gosh...I laughed so hard!! I'm going to have to adopt that phrase. XD

But moving on...do you feel the Piracetam did prolong the MDMA peak this time, too, even though it was a combo with 2C-D? Is it just because you had already taken 2C-D earlier that you feel the second dose made things less enjoyable? Or do you think it would have affected the roll negatively since you took it late in the game anyway? Otherwise, I've heard good things about mixing MDMA with most of the 2Cs, so if I ever get my hands on any again, I'll have to try it!! Thanks for sharing your experience - I'm definitely curious to know more about extending rolls, since they make me feel like nothing else!

Aha go ahead, the patent doesn't come through for another few months

The piracetam definitely potentiated and extended the MDMA, I was still rolling hard around 4 hours after the come up, although around that time I took the 2nd bomb of 2C-D so I couldn't tell you after that cause the high got distorted beyond the recognisable effects of just pure MDMA. If anything I think there may have been a triangle of potentiation going on here, or at least some damn good synergy that highlighted the best aspects of each high.

In response to your second question I think the 2nd hit of 2C-D fucked up my shit because a) I took too much (oh self-control, where for art thou?) and b) piracetam also potentiates the psychedelic phenethylamines, which I completely forgot in my state of joyous frazzledness.

To the third, it's possible that it affected the high negatively as I may have co-incided the come-up on the second hit of 2C-D with the comedown of the MDMA, but further experimentation is needed to know for sure. Although I lean towards the idea that it was the highish (in combo with MD at least) dose of 2C-D, also boosted by the piracetam that knocked me offa cloud 9.

Like the guy above me's experience, he had a great time with MDMA then 2C-E afterwards, but on a different night things got pretty nasty when he took piracetam beforehand and raised the 2C-x dose. I recommend cautious trial and error to anyone wanting to experiment with these mixtures, the high feels very promising at the right dose but finding that could be a little tricky.

 

[SinisterMuffin]

Sounds like if I ever try this combo, then, I should start with just a Piracetam + MDMA combo...and see how that works for me (since I haven't done it before, although others have). Maybe even do a completely separate 2C-D + MDMA combo and see how that works, too, before moving on to trying all three?

I don't know how likely it is that I'd be able to try anything like this soon anyway, but would you suggest a regular dose of MDMA and a low dose of 2C-D? Or a low dose of both? I'm thinking perhaps the former if/when I try this...but would like to hear the opinion of those more experienced with such. Also, not wanting to assume from your trip report dosage, what do you feel is a good dose (or good range for dose) of Piracetam for its use in extending a roll?

 

[KingBlueTwista]

Yeah I'd go with your regular dose of MDMA and a low dose of 2C-D, say around 20-25mg, but of course ymmv so check how sensitive you are to it before diving into the experience. I've only ever used 3200mg of Piracetam to extend a roll, but there's really no harm in going higher if you feel it necessary. Personally I feel there's no point in lowering the dose of this.

It also has a whole range of benefits above and beyond just MD potentiation, it practically eradicates the comedown and stops all feelings of etardation. In addition a regimen taken over an extended period can (at least for me, and a whole load of other people) increase verbal fluidity, memory recall, creativity, multilateral thinking and a myriad of other great things. And it's cheap as salt if you buy the powder in bulk!

 

[SinisterMuffin]

Would it be sourcing to ask where I can find the Piracetam powder in bulk, since it's a legal cognitive enhancer? (It sounds like something I definitely want to take daily, as my prescription medications cause a bit of memory short circuiting for me.) I've heard of Piracetam before, but didn't know anyone who had tried them, but I've been hearing good things about it (not just as a recreational thing) from many people on here, so I definitely want to look into it.

If you can't tell me because that's a form of sourcing, it's okay. We have a local health store in town that might be carry the powder (doubtful, but maybe?).

Otherwise, thanks for the other advice! When/if I ever get the opportunity to try this, I'll test the batches separately for sure before combining them to figure out sensitivities and such. I just hope I can find some of each...things are fairly dry in my area right now apparently.