Benzos Using benzos for stimulant comedowns

[Rio Fantastic]

Hello,

So today I tried using diazepam to soften a comedown, and was amazed to find that 20mg of diazepam not only softened it but actually obliterated any comedown or negative feelings after an all day amphetamine binge. I was very, very pleasantly surprised, to say the least! It's as if I've found a cheat button to use the awesome stimulants without the only negative side effect, haha. Since I never use them recreationally as I don't suffer from anxiety, I will solely be using these for comedowns, and so have a couple questions.

First, will these work this will every time? I only do stims about once a month. Secondly, out of lorazepam, diazepam and alprazolam, what is the best for a comedown, and what dose? Thirdly, how do I prevent benzodiazepine tolerance?

Answers would be very much appreciated!

 

[dankhead88]

I find xanax is good for knocking me out. I've never had lorazepam. As far as tolerance goes, don't do it recreationally. Do it for coming down off of stimulants(unless you're doing stimulants everyday) Do it for a comedown on a night where you HAVE to sleep I suppose, like working the next day. If you have a day off the next day, then just ride it out until you get sleepy.

I'm also jealous, I've been up for 28 hours with nothing to help with the come down.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

Haha, I've done a veritable plethora of stimulants today and was shocked when a mere 20mg diazepam made the comedown non-existent. It didn't really make me tired, more happy and gave me a desire to stay awake.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I find xanax is good for knocking me out. I've never had lorazepam. As far as tolerance goes, don't do it recreationally. Do it for coming down off of stimulants(unless you're doing stimulants everyday) Do it for a comedown on a night where you HAVE to sleep I suppose, like working the next day. If you have a day off the next day, then just ride it out until you get sleepy.

I'm also jealous, I've been up for 28 hours with nothing to help with the come down.

i totally agree, ive tried both 3 and xanax is the strongest and best for knocking you out. Also its a good adivce to not abuse them, xanax wd is hell.

 

[Megalum]

I'd use alprazolam; quick acting and with a half life similar to your stimulant. It works the best, just don't get habituated on a benzo... Not good. If you have access to butalbital, use that instead. Totally eases the comedown, and helps you catch up on your debt.

 

[TakeCareAndControl]

Well, they'd all do the trick one way or another. But I'd say in terms of a functional comedown, lorazepam would be your best choice. You will eventually sleep, but with a gentler winding-down. It's a little less "brick-wall" than alprazolam, in my experience. Unless, of course, that's what you're looking for. When it comes down to it, any benzo should do. I personally use chlordiazepoxide because it's just what I've got for the time being.

 

[Megalum]

How is cdp? I know it's one of the earlier sedative/hypnotics in terms of the wave of benzos. I've yet to experience it.

 

[Blind Melon]

This is the road that got me addicted to speedballs!

I would use cocaine or crystal. After a year or so of using the 2 drugs I finally discovered that benzos/opiates when taken whilst said stim was wearing off would obliterate the harshest of stim comedowns. Not only eliminate the comedown; benzos, and especially opiates, made it enjoyable.

The first time I discovered the phenomenon I had split an 8-ball of cocaine with a buddy, gone home, and taken a nibble (maybe 25% ) off a 3mg Xanax Triangle (back when they still made them). Within 20 minutes my unbearable craving for cocaine was completely gone, and I felt a pleasant, tingly numbness left in it's place.

Eventually I switched over to just flat out mixing the 3 (benzos/opiates + stims) classes of drugs. It became all about the speedball. Chew an 80mg OxyContin up, wait 20 minutes and then smoke some coke and take a Xanax bar or two. Shoot up some heroin + cocaine. Swallow MDMA while sniffing OC.

Eventually it was all about the nod, and I was supporting two very demanding habits: heroin + benzos.

But to get back to the OP's original question, as I understand it: Yes, pretty much any benzo (when taken in the correct dose/s) will kill any stimulant comedown you can wind up with. And if not outright kill said comedown, benzos will severely cripple the bastard, making it manageable, which can go a long-way when you've been smoking meth or crack for a few days. A Xanax or three can be the difference between crashing out into a nice, satisfied sleep or bashing your head against the wall hoping for unconsciousness after your 4-hour search of the carpet in hopes of finding a rock/shard didn't pan out.

And what benzos do so well, opiates do perfectly. That is, if your stomach can handle them it seems many people's cannot. Fuck I miss true Opiates.

And as a matter of fact, I have completely killed a crystal comedown via a combination of valium/beer/marijuana/ambien. Which upon reading may not be a combination for the average BLer.

 

[TakeCareAndControl]

How is cdp? I know it's one of the earlier sedative/hypnotics in terms of the wave of benzos. I've yet to experience it.

It's alright - mild, really. Am written up for the 10mgs. Mild but long half life. I've found it to work in conjunction with adderall, to lessen the tweaky effects and put me in a calmer headspace to focus. On it's own, it's decent, not a horse tranquilizer like some other benzos, but still eventually sleepy. I appreciate its subtlety (as well as the fact that I was able to safely detox from alcohol with it and get sober on my own).

 

[Effect]

Was about to start a thread on people's preferred benzo for stimulant comedowns that we all dread so much. Good thing I USTFSE cause there were multiple, but I figured I'd post in this as it was the most recent. I prefer temazepam because of the hypnotic properties plus it's one of my favorites in general. Also the alprazolam I'm using for my comedown right now is doing the job nicely, but to be honest when I'm coming down hard I'll take just about anything to ease the feelings.

I mean I'm sure most would agree that opiates are the best for this, but if your trying to avoid that route or just can't get any for whatever reason benzos do a pretty good job. Like I said though I'd take about anything to mask the shitty feeling.

 

[opiatekrzy]

I find using benzos a waste when coming down off of stims, due to the CNS stimulation, I tend to need 3x my normal benzo intake, and if I happen to not fall asleep, I go right back to feeling the shitty crash when the benzo wears off, sometimes the benzo kills the crash, but keeps me stimulated and euphoric, yet when benzo wears off, all the neghative side effects come back, hey if u got a lot of benzos , go for it..ill just take a trazadone...I rather not take 3x my normal benzo dose when hypertensive

 

[crestfallen]

Benzos are the #1 remedy to comfortably and quickly bring you back down after you take uppers. IME lorazepam is a weak benzo but some ppl prefer it. I gotta take a minimum of 6mg to get full relief from an adderall comedown. I prefer bars or kpins tho. 1 bar will bring you right back down to baseline within 20 minutes and 2 bars knocks me the fuck out. Of course, I have a small tolerance to benzos but 1-2mg of clonazepam will slowly bring me down without barring me out (slurring words looking like a drunk asshole lol) and sleeping comes easy. I've tried diazepam and it took about 20-25mgs to end my comedown although the muscle relaxation is a nice feeling when you've been tensed up speeding all day. Opiates are the #2 remedy but are much harder to find (for me at least). Oh and temazepam is a great hypnotic if you can get it

 

[Jabberwocky]

THINK!
- Only use by Doctors Orders, IF YOU HAVE ANY WORRIES/QUESTIONS/CONCERNS regarding your medication then contact your doctor.
THINK!

 

[sekio]

Using benzos to soften comedowns is a good way to make your stimulant habit worse, because you can increase your dosage without feeling consequences, as well as getting dependent on benzos, if you use them often.

The best benzo for a comedown is usually personally dependent. Diazepam or lorazepam are probably better than the short acting alprazolam. Unfortunately you can't really prevent tolerance aside from limiting your usage and keeping your dose small.

A better drug for comedowns is quetiapine (Seroquel) or other strong sedatives... trazodone is good too. Non-benzos, basically.

 

[hatrix]

Diazepam would be better than Alprazolam. The half life of Alprazolam is very short and it could wear off while you're sleeping only for you to wake up in sweat. Diazepam has a much longer half life and will easily last through sleep and also feel smoother.

It will relax your muscles more too.

 

[drancer]

Take some triazolam to knock you straight to la la land, some temazepam to keep sleep at bay for a good few more hours, and a restavit (doxylamine) to help you complete a full night's rest, waking up fresh as a fucken daisy the next morning. Perfecto.

 

[llamer]

Sekio's response sums most of this up well, although there are a lot of good posts here. basically when it comes to crashing on an amphetamine or other long lasting stim (i.e. MDPV, that new super elthyphenidate shit, etc.) the LONGER LASTING BENZO the BETTER. Temazepam is a great hypnotic but it SUCKS for coming down on a meth binge if you've got less of it than your stim; this doesn't give me more than 3 hours of sleep if I'm already looking at another 18 hours awake on crank. Make sense? Go with xanax/valium/et al.

Also Seroquel will fucking cut the lights on probably any drug you could fit in your body but the same rule applies, and you will feel so much more compelled to re-dose your stim while suffering the lingering effects of the Seroquel than you will any benzo -- it has a 9 hour half life or so (maybe even 12, it's long lasting) and when you're not asleep on it you feel like shit, no matter how much stim garbage you've sent it to do battle with. I've woken up from a seroquel sleep while coming off of speed and felt like total shit until the Seroquel finally wore off and I realized I was still high on speed; I've done the same and just redosed the speed and STILL DIDN'T FEEL ANY BETTER till the Seroquel wore off.

The bottom line: Mix and match your downers to fit their durations of action and don't be unrealistic when considering the half life of your stim. Don't get too attached to this model, it will feed your addiction like a motherfucker*


*I used to hate all stimulants, particularly amphetamines, till I got easy access to downers; now I can't fucking stop. Having landing gear will enable the fuck out of the monkey on your back

 

[pinpoint]

I used to hate all stimulants, particularly amphetamines, till I got easy access to downers; now I can't fucking stop. Having landing gear will enable the fuck out of the monkey on your back

This. Sober I can take 4-6mg of Xanax before blackout, but on Adderall I can take 14-16mg of Xanax - the end result is a kind of uninhibited psychosis. I feel great but end up doing a LOT of stupid things. Like stealing from department stores, passing police doing double the speed limit, re-connecting with ex-girlfriends, stupid stuff. Be careful.

 

[Halif]

Using benzos to soften comedowns is a good way to make your stimulant habit worse, because you can increase your dosage without feeling consequences, as well as getting dependent on benzos, if you use them often.

Exactly. I almost went insane after vaping a few fat pipes of a-PVP without benzos on hand. The anxiety was so instense, no amount of alcohol would squash it.

When I got a bunch of etizolam, I found that I could get through a gram or two of a-PVP within 30-40 hours, no sleep, no food. And no more etizolam at the end of the binge. Recipe for disaster. And they you get to "enjoy" the aftermath of 2,000mg of a-PVP and a 30 or 40 mg of etizolam, plus 48 hours without sleep or food. Psychosis city. Welcome to hell.

 

[deejah]

PVP?

I searched and found this: Polyvinylpyrrolidone.

Huh?