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using anti-anxiety medics to treat a bad trip

Thanx..^ So I gues it's safe to assume that it's either trip and deal with the anxiety, or not trip at all?
 
Negro-kitty said:
Clozapine, I believe, will halt most of an LSD trip.
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Thou I do not dispute the fact that Clozapine would, infact be quite effective at supressing an intense psychedelic experience I would not want anyone reading this thread to think that they should try and get ahold of this substance. Clozapine is a very serious med that is generally reserved for otherwise treatment-resistant schizophrenia.

Clozapine is a scary one, to say the least, with quite a precarious side effect profile - seizure as well as acute hematological complications are not uncommon. Clozapine is really not an option for someone looking to help themselves through a trip. The traditional benzos would be more than effective.

SG
 
Obviously you ppl have no idea what it is like to witness or experience a panic attack on acid. It is terrifying beyond all comprehension, and that is an understatement!

iv had them and iv never been the same, and the ppl who have sat with me during them haven not either.
 
my saviour valium

and i wish i had had the benzo's back then. . . . . boy would they have made a difference
 
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Think again. I have seen a full-blown panic attack where the person had to be restrained. After an hour of talking him down myself, he was fine. It takes time, determination, and patience, (as well as a strong arm). I don't think meds are needed. What is needed is a wise guide who has the gift of helping others.
 
Naicin

When a friend of mine took a large dose of LSD and started freaking out, I administered niacin, and it calmed my friend down within 15 minutes. I had read about using niacin for bad LSD trips in Robert Anton Wilson’s book “Sex and Drugs”, and I definitely recommend it. Later my friend thanked me and said the niacin worked very well for him.
 
morninggloryseed said:
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Think again. I have seen a full-blown panic attack where the person had to be restrained. After an hour of talking him down myself, he was fine. It takes time, determination, and patience, (as well as a strong arm). I don't think meds are needed. What is needed is a wise guide who has the gift of helping others.
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I think we just need to agree that there is not a right or wrong here - simply a personal choice. Just because someone has hieghtened anxiety during a trip does not necessarily mean that they have an underlying emotional issue that is pressing on the experience - sometimes it is just the nature of the drug and how it acts on the particular user.

I agree that there can be benefit in overcoming a tramatically negative emotional experience while tripping and working through it without meds, but this should in no way discount experiences enjoyed more calmly with the aid of another med. I personally have no desire to undergo undue stress and anxiety during psychedelic experiences, so I can appreciate why having a benzo on hand can be so beneficial. If you would rather just have another person present to hold your hand during the experience - more power to you, but I will not go so far as to say that one is 'right' or 'wrong'. Again, it is simply a matter of personal preference.

SG
 
I agree with Morninggloryseed to an extent. The ideal situation would be to have a sober, experienced person to guide the tripper through any difficult times, but the simple truth is that it is not always possible. I have had several very difficult trips, both on mushrooms and LSD, and sometimes I feel like I came out of it a stronger person, but some of them were just damned annoying. There is no fear, anxiety, tension, or panic comparable to that which can be experienced with psychedelic drugs. I don't feel the need to do major soul searching each and every time I trip. Sometimes I want to just enjoy the sheer recreational value of the drug, and in these situations I find that a little Klonopin is very helpful in easing the tension and anxiety. And I also find that this is a very good way for newcomers to ease into the world of psychedelics, because there really are some experiences for which you can not possibly prepare when you don't really know exactly what you are getting into. But Morninggloryseed, I respect you very much for your attitude and your ability to cope with even the most difficult experiences, but for watever reason, I myself cannot. There is some good discussion going on here, so I just thought I'd share.
 
As unorthodox as it sounds, the quickest way to terminate a trip is to get the trippee drunk & passed out as soon as possible. Benzo, depressants, etc., similar effects. My ex insisted on trying ecstacy in spite of my objection and her mental disorders, and ended up feeling really shitty in two hours (yes, ecstacy). She was feeling suicidal and didnt know how to work her way out of a mental loop, so I did the only thing in my power to terminate it: vodka. 9 shots & 7 hours later, all good. Id only use this method as a last resort of course.8o
 
twominds said:
I've used anti-anxiety meds to help me through trips, Vals, Xanax, etc but dont find them benefical in stopping them. They just help your mental state by taking off the edginess. The major tranquillizers(anti-psychotics) such as Largactil or Thorazine are they only thing I find that can stop a trip. I once took 200mg of Largactil to stop a mushroom trip and it did the trick as I was asleep in 30-40 minutes. I was in a terrible state.
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Where there many side effects with Largactil? Did you experience dysphoria? Thinking of getting some for some first timers, if I cant get any benzos.
 
I've had to abort a trip using valium, 15mg. It was just lasting too long and something unexpected popped up... (so I thought, it was only about 4-5 hours in). Within the hour, I was more or less back to normal functioning and could sleep a couple hours in.
 
If a trip is actually bad enough to require pharmacological intervention, you won't have a firm enough grasp on reality to even be capable of self-administering any medication. If you actually can understand the concept that you're having a bad trip, just forget the meds. You will not be scarred for life -- take it from me.

I think that if a psychedelic actually triggers a psychotic break, then the trip has definitely entered the realm of "bad", in which case a trip sitter needs to administer antipsychotics.
 
I unfortunately found that valium killed my trip almost completely. I didn't want that to happen, as I only took the stuff to try and get a nice nap before my trip.
 
I've used Ativan on a few occasions during bad trips. Because it's so short acting I find it's good to stifle the negative effects while I find music/television/whatever to steer myself in to a more positive trip.
 
If you want to mellow a bad trip without killing it, try drinking a beer or two.
 
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