Stimulants Using 5mg dexamphetamine tabs to deal with recovering from a speed addiction?

[Grondelduck]

I have a friend who has been using speed pretty much every day for the last 4 years. In the recent weeks he seriously started trying to quit. I commend him on this of course, but he has become very lethargic, hard to motivate, tired all the time, pretty much what you'd expect after stopping cold turkey after having used that long and that regularly.

He now wants to use dexamph tabs to deal with the lethargy, and I play a crucial role in that.
I am a bit on the fence about this, I imagine it could be easier tapering down and building a normal lifestyle again with the help of therapeutic doses of dex, but at the same time I feel like I could be fuelling his addiction.
The obvious thing would be to consult a specialist of course and I have urged him to, but this he refuses out of shame or perhaps just sheer stubbornness?

Would it be beneficial to his situation or is he better off sitting this period out and get on his feet in his own pace?

Seems like the typical 'my friend' kind of story, but it really does concern a friend. I myself would probably go for it, but I don't want to do him harm even though I understand his motives.

Edit: I will urge him to talk to a specialist after all, I feel too conflicted about this, and it's effecting his lifestyle in such a degree professional help would be a good idea.

 

[Tryptamino]

Taking the dex will probably just make him want more, for me the ultimate speed-kicker is lots and lots of weed. He'll get past the lethargy, he just needs to adjust naturally, as meth WDs aren't that bad IME.

 

[tricomb]

That would be like prescribing a heroin addict percocet or norcos. Horrible idea.

 

[Grondelduck]

Yeah, I talked it over and he agreed to go talk to a specialist after all. The thing is he is stuck in a vicious circle. He is a well known DJ locally, meaning a) He's constantly around people who use. b) and very often he has several events pretty much every weekend.

I imagine that the best way to get over it is to abstain yourself from users for a while, but he is dependent on the money he earns with his performances. Recently he has been canceling his gigs, effectively killing his cashflow and dj'ing is his passion. The reason I was considering taking him up bonus his request because I am fairly confident he'll go back to his old ways, and few simple tabs of d-amph is healthier the racking up several grams of amphetamine a weekend and whatever much during the week. Given time I am sure he could knock it, but his situation is making this very hard for him.

 

[morphonorconic]

Bad idea.

Playing with fire for one thing, but more importantly taking amphetamine would work against the healing process. It will take time and healthy lifestyle habits for homeostasis to occur and for him to feel normal again. Taking more of the drug he's been abusing will only retard and draw out that process.

 

[FractalStructure]

You are substituting speed with speed....

This will *never* work. Its like substituting ice for desoxyn. Anyway, when you say "speed" do you mean methamph? Or just street amph? Either way, doesnt make much difference. Dexamph can do all the same things.

If your friend really needs some sort of upper for the mental aspect, just use coffee! But really, even with that, they need to realize that they dont NEED to be spun all the time. So i guess the best thing is... get some downers, get your friend to sleep, not do speed for a while, rest and recover.

 

[Moredopamine]

Try modafinil, it's easy to get, and has actually been scientifically studied to help with meth withdrawal.

It's basically a weak-to-moderate dopamine reuptake inhibitor with a number of other pharmacological properties to fight off lethargy. One would be wise to use this newfound energy to exercise and start a healthy lifestyle.

Dex is too strong to recommend. It can easily turn into abuse. You can't really abuse modafinil, unless you're into not sleeping for 2 days with minimal euphoria.

 

[FractalStructure]

Bad idea.

Playing with fire for one thing, but more importantly taking amphetamine would work against the healing process. It will take time and healthy lifestyle habits for homeostasis to occur and for him to feel normal again. Taking more of the drug he's been abusing will only retard and draw out that process.

^Agreed. This is why I recommend downers (just a COUPLE, not a script, dont need to substitute addictions!) and sleep.

 

[Saber44]

Seconding smoking a shitload a weed to deal with meth WDs. It's what I am using to combat my withdrawals. Sure, I still feel lazy and lethargic, but I've taken drawing back up again, and at least I don't want to kill myself (as much) anymore.

 

[Znegative]

While I agree that in theory it sounds like a terrible idea, I have known several meth heads who were only able to stop shooting crystal once they got a dexadrine/Mixed Amphetamine Salts/Vyvanse or Modafinil script. I personally always wish my doctor would give me a shot with amphetamines, as they really work wonders for my cocaine cravings. I also don't have the tendency to keep redosing, plus I only would ever plug or take these listed drugs orally. As Ive been a hardcore IV stimulant user in the past, it means a lot that I have some control over these chemicals.

Edit// I also wanted to bring up that a lot of stimulant users are self medicating possibly undiagnosed or poorly treated ADD. This is not always the case, but it's another argument for trying low doses of amphetamines to help stay off the methamphetamine.

 

[rules]

Edit// I also wanted to bring up that a lot of stimulant users are self medicating possibly undiagnosed or poorly treated ADD. This is not always the case, but it's another argument for trying low doses of amphetamines to help stay off the methamphetamine.

glad i saw this. i think this is the reason i smoke a shit ton of weed (for my anxiety)

 

[RR279]

If he's only given a couple pills at a time I don't see the problem. He's going to need a good bit to enduce any type of euphoria with his amp tolerence being what it is.

However, if he's given a long-term supply all at once then chances are he will abuse it. At such low doses the negative effects on his recovery will be null.

 

[rules]

If he's only given a couple pills at a time I don't see the problem. He's going to need a good bit to enduce any type of euphoria with his amp tolerence being what it is.

However, if he's given a bunch at a time then changes are he will abuse it. At such low doses the negative effects on his recovery will be null.

i think giving a meth amp addict any type of amphetamines is a bad idea. it's like giving a heroin addict some codeine. god, i'd love some codeine right now if it wasn't for the fact that i was on suboxone. being a former addict will just do that to you.

 

[RR279]

i think giving a meth amp addict any type of amphetamines is a bad idea. it's like giving a heroin addict some codeine. god, i'd love some codeine right now if it wasn't for the fact that i was on suboxone. being a former addict will just do that to you.

If he's given dex in increments that are still below the euphoric threshold if taken all at once I personally see it as a reduced risk for relapse.

If he's given 50mg, they'll likely be gone before the morning.

 

[Grondelduck]

While I agree that in theory it sounds like a terrible idea, I have known several meth heads who were only able to stop shooting crystal once they got a dexadrine/Mixed Amphetamine Salts/Vyvanse or Modafinil script. I personally always wish my doctor would give me a shot with amphetamines, as they really work wonders for my cocaine cravings. I also don't have the tendency to keep redosing, plus I only would ever plug or take these listed drugs orally. As Ive been a hardcore IV stimulant user in the past, it means a lot that I have some control over these chemicals.

Edit// I also wanted to bring up that a lot of stimulant users are self medicating possibly undiagnosed or poorly treated ADD. This is not always the case, but it's another argument for trying low doses of amphetamines to help stay off the methamphetamine.

This is pretty much my life's story. Started with coke, and after that ridiculous amounts of speed, but I managed to pull myself together and talk to specialists who diagnosed me with the cute brand of adhd. I am still unsure about that, seeing as I consider it more of a term given to a persons set of behavioural features. Fact of the matter is that I noticed these drugs did great things to my personal compaints, but of course I went too far and build up semi-serious addictions. I decided this was not the way I wanted to life and when to talk to specialists who prescribed me with d-amph, and it has had a positive effect on my life. I no longer see the need to go for stronger stims, unless I have some sort of party but I consider that acceptable. Very interesting you mention modafinil. I have about 200 doses left from the time I tried to stop my drug abuse by self-medicating/tampering down, and they had quite desirable effects. D-amp takes the lead ofcourse, but modafinil is hard to abuse I imagine. This might be a good idea instead of d-amph seeing as as far as I know there are little beneficial effects from dosing higher with modafinil.

If he's given dex in increments that are still below the euphoric threshold if taken all at once I personally see it as a reduced risk for relapse.

If he's given 50mg, they'll likely be gone before the morning.

I have to agree wholeheartedly. I've been over tonight, and while I can still still see the potential for tapering down by occasional use of d-amph, I think it would be too tempting to leave it as the 'pick me up' he proclaims it's for. He's a good guy and I am crazy about him, so I want to help as much as possible. I fear that the dex might induce a mild high which because of his addiction he'll want to intensify and hook himself up again as well.

I have no problem with occasional use though. We had a little party today, and he and I did a few lines, but when I wanted to call it quits I got asked with shame in his voice whether I couldn't leave some behind, even though we were already tweaking nicely. He's such a great guy but I hate seeing him in that position. Finding boundaries seems too hard, so I think it's best to let this idea fly.

Appreciate the comments, I am sure if he could muster the self-discipline to use d-amph responsibly it could be a good way to move forward, but I believe he isn't at the point yet.

 

[tricomb]

Maybe if he worked very closely with an addiction specialist or something but I don't think that throwing Dexedrine at a recovering methamphetamine addict is a good idea for most people.

Perhaps some need it, just like some people need buprenorphine maintenance therapy and methadone maintenance therapy, but I think it should only be tried under professional supervision if all else fails, just like BMT and MMT.

 

[RR279]

This is pretty much my life's story. Started with coke, and after that ridiculous amounts of speed, but I managed to pull myself together and talk to specialists who diagnosed me with the cute brand of adhd. I am still unsure about that, seeing as I consider it more of a term given to a persons set of behavioural features. Fact of the matter is that I noticed these drugs did great things to my personal compaints, but of course I went too far and build up semi-serious addictions. I decided this was not the way I wanted to life and when to talk to specialists who prescribed me with d-amph, and it has had a positive effect on my life. I no longer see the need to go for stronger stims, unless I have some sort of party but I consider that acceptable. Very interesting you mention modafinil. I have about 200 doses left from the time I tried to stop my drug abuse by self-medicating/tampering down, and they had quite desirable effects. D-amp takes the lead ofcourse, but modafinil is hard to abuse I imagine. This might be a good idea instead of d-amph seeing as as far as I know there are little beneficial effects from dosing higher with modafinil.

I have to agree wholeheartedly. I've been over tonight, and while I can still still see the potential for tapering down by occasional use of d-amph, I think it would be too tempting to leave it as the 'pick me up' he proclaims it's for. He's a good guy and I am crazy about him, so I want to help as much as possible. I fear that the dex might induce a mild high which because of his addiction he'll want to intensify and hook himself up again as well.

I have no problem with occasional use though. We had a little party today, and he and I did a few lines, but when I wanted to call it quits I got asked with shame in his voice whether I couldn't leave some behind, even though we were already tweaking nicely. He's such a great guy but I hate seeing him in that position. Finding boundaries seems too hard, so I think it's best to let this idea fly.

Appreciate the comments, I am sure if he could muster the self-discipline to use d-amph responsibly it could be a good way to move forward, but I believe he isn't at the point yet.

I have never used meth but abused Adderall heavily for over a year. It would take me 15-20 mg of pure dex to feel anything and about 30 mg to get any kind of quality euphoria. If he's used to meth he should have a higher tolerence, although I do actually have ADHD and am almost 200 lbs. so I'm sure helps level it out a bit.

I personally would give him 10-15 mg and see what comes of that.