thanks for the info keith,im actualy going to try and get through this starting tomorow without the kratom but i do have it sitting their,im now down to 0.4 of bupe and want to know that if i take loperamide at the recomended doses on the box not mega doseing but useing it correctly for 5 to 7 days will it just prolong my withdrawal as thats the last thing i need im just sick of this slavery to opiates afeter 15 years all in 8 years on bupe,could you let me know thanks mate jock
Hey Jock! I'm glad to see you're willing to grab the bull by the horns and try to quit without too much assistance from other substances. We have your back.
You're right that by using Opioids, you will likely be extending the duration of your withdrawal syndrome in a significant way which isn't what you want. Most Opioid addicts dont report their first WD syndrome until weeks or months into their regular usage.
But, most of us know that once you have "had a habit" that is, have been dependent, withdrawn and returned to your starting point, but becomes much faster/easier to get back to a point of dependence. It took me ~6 months of dope use before I really hit my first sick. Now, if I were to use Heroin for 3 days even, I would be left with a sickness as potent as any other time.
When an addict puts time together and makes progress, taking Opioids even just once can and often does set them back exponentially. For this reason, it works best to taper to zero Opioids and then stay at zero. There are lots of different substances and practices that can help get you through the more difficult phase of your withdrawal.
If you want to taper all the way down with Kratom, that is up to you. I think we should wait and see how you do with your current plant and if you decide you need some aid, we can try the Kratom.
Loperamide
The use of Loperamide for acute withdrawal is often required due to the severity of one's GI symptoms, but you definitely don't want to use more than the bare minimum. The confusing thing is, Loperamide is actually a powerful Opioid. It simply doesn't produce a lot of Central Nervous System action compared to other Opioids.
This seems to mean, while Loperamide won't get you "high" or produce psychoactive symptoms in regular dosages, that doesn't mean it cant produce severe and intense physical withdrawal symptoms.
Folks who have used extremely excessive amounts of Loperamide for recreation or withdrawal control have reported powerful and unexpected withdrawal symptoms. My point is that I believe Loperamide usage can probably contribute to prolonging one's withdrawal syndrome if used for too long or in high quantities.