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The US has said it is considering using the National Guard as a last resort to counter the threat of drug violence in Mexico spilling over the border.

The plan was outlined by Roger Rufe of the Department of Homeland Security in a House of Representatives hearing.

US state governors with borders joining Mexico have expressed growing concern over the impact of Mexican cartels which have links to US gangs.

There were more than 6,000 drug-related killings in Mexico in 2008.

Many of the battles over turf and smuggling routes - sometimes involving decapitations - are fought using US weapons smuggled south to Mexico.

'Tipping point'

Officials say Mexican drug gangs are active in 230 American cities.

Phoenix, Atlanta and Birmingham are among the hardest hit, with a big increase in kidnappings and murders.
“ We've got a big border with Mexico... I'm not interested in militarising the border ”
US President Barack Obama

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has asked the federal government to send 250 National Guard reserve troops to help 150 already there supporting local law enforcement efforts against drug trafficking.

Texas Governor Rick Perry has asked for 1,000 National Guard troops.

Mr Rufe told a House homeland security subcommittee that the deployment of US military personnel and equipment would be a last resort if other agencies became overwhelmed.

"We would take all resources short of DoD (Department of Defence) and National Guard troops before we reach that tipping point," he said.

"We very much do not want to militarise our border."

But, he said, his department was engaged in planning with the National Guard and defence department "to make sure they're ready when the time comes".

On the Mexican side of the border, President Felipe Caldeon has sent thousands of extra troops into the city of Ciudad Juarez, just across the Rio Grande from the Texan city of El Paso.

Mr Rufe's comments echoed those made by US President Barack Obama a day earlier, when he said he did not have a "tipping point" in mind for sending in the military.

"We've got a big border with Mexico," he said on Wednesday. "I'm not interested in militarising the border."

Last year, a US justice department report described Mexican drug traffickers as America's biggest organised crime threat, a view reiterated by Mr Rufe.

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Page last updated at 00:16 GMT, Friday, 13 March 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/7941043.stm
 
It's not Mexico's fault the demand for drugs has been ever expanding as America spirals down into economic failure.

It's also not Mexico's fault these drugs are illegally imported anyway.

When so much of your country's GDP lays within this market, it's no surprise you see rampant paramilitary groups and government corruption.

Juarez is a powder keg right now with the Mexican military mobilizing against the local cartel militia and paramilitary companies. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
^^ Bingo. The only winner in the "drug war" has been organized crime. Shortly after Nixon's declaration of draconian mandatory minimum imprisonment and the instantiation of a federal organization devoted to violently attacking and imprisoning drug users, drugs became the de facto source of income for organized mafia-like groups. After 40 years of having an uninterrupted, recession-proof revenue stream, the organized crime groups now have the capital, resources and influence to start competing with dangerous, violent military forces of their own. It's simple economics: drugs are very difficult to produce domestically in US, but are more easily produced in other nations. Guns, unfortunately, are relatively easy to acquire domestically and (ironically) are far less taboo in society than any type of drug. So, crime bosses just trade drugs for guns and now they too have an army. They wanted a drug "war" and that's exactly what they fucking got.

All this because jowel-shaking republicans like Nixon and Regan couldn't stand the fact that hippies were using LSD (or any other psychedelic) and smoking weed (two types of drugs which are the least harmful out there and have caused virtually zero casualties in the history of human use). Such fucking bullshit. Because of the 'drug war,' the "scene" of people associated with drugs has steadily shifted from the archetypical stoners and hippies (which do still exist, obviously) to gangsters running cocaine, guns and extortion schemes. And cocaine is a huge component of this problem; in its infinite wisdom, the drug war--with its ridiculously harsh treatment of synthetic chemicals such as the substituted amphetamines--catalyzed the emergence and mass-popularization of cocaine as a recreational drug, turning it into a veritable currency for the mob.
 
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^^

I have to agree

cocaine, currency of the gangsters

prison is one fucked up place

especially for a young white skinny boy


your gonna have to lose something you can't get back
for weeeeed!
 
kelvanE said:
i think the average american hears the problem is getting worse in mexico and thinks, either by way of the media's influence on their lives or otherwise, that first and foremost we should send additional force to meet their bulked up gangster force.

it's true: this will be interesting to see how this pans out, and for the lives lost, maybe they won't be lost entirely in vain. perhaps this escalating incident could be one of the tipping points in the War on Drugs. after we push more, and they push more, and more deaths result, maybe the United States will finally get smart, let off the power trip and save lives as a result.

an analogy popped into my head as i was writing this: it's like the drunk who drinks more and more to try and convince himself(herself) that he can beat it--that he can control his behavior, but it doesn't work. only when that person surrenders and becomes willing does the recovery begin.
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that analogy is one of the most true and beautifulest things I have ever heard... and the weed just boost that more :D
 
I want to hear about the cartels hiring blackwater, so blackwater fights on both sides. That'll be a good article.
 
Last time I was near the border was near Tijuana and I heard dudes talking about how they were going to slip a key into a dead baby with some chick across the border. Shits more fucked up than just slanging some herb into cali
 
ive been following the mexican drug war articles that pop up for the past while and im gonna have to say shit is gonna just get worse.

IF the border does get militarized, that's when the real problems gonna start. When you think gang army, a lot of people think poorly trained and megerly armed people. The truth is this serious. Were talking full auto rifles and explosives here, fueled by the very own country that is trying to "stop" the war.

The amount of deaths each month is rising, and some of them are pretty gruesome. Not only is there clashes between mexican police/military and gangs, but gangs against gangs. Some of the turf stuff ends with limbs and heads being found, separated from body.

Democracy now follows the news coming out of Mexico pretty well and unbiasedly.

PsyGhost said:
legalize it and mexico will be transformed over night
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just like when small amounts of a majority of drugs were legalized...how long did that last, a day? Wont happen. And if it did id really be interested to see what happened to the gangs, they arent just going to give up profit that easily. They dont want the drug war to end, and if you dont think they have an influence, your mistaken.

If neither side wants an end, dont expect one any time soon.
 
^Actually, that bill didn't pass, it was vetoed by Vicente Fox under pressure from the Bush administration. Mexico DOES want to legalize. In fact, it seems that most of the people of the Western Hemisphere feel like the Drug War is now causing significantly more harm than good, which it is.

I've been following the situation in Mexico closely as well, and I agree that this is rapidly escalating into a full-scale guerrilla war...which might end up being what it takes to get drugs legalized.
 
spacefacethebassace said:
^Actually, that bill didn't pass, it was vetoed by Vicente Fox under pressure from the Bush administration. Mexico DOES want to legalize. In fact, it seems that most of the people of the Western Hemisphere feel like the Drug War is now causing significantly more harm than good, which it is.

I've been following the situation in Mexico closely as well, and I agree that this is rapidly escalating into a full-scale guerrilla war...which might end up being what it takes to get drugs legalized.
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I dont doubt that the majority of the western world, or anyone who knows anything about drug use, would want to legalize drugs. Its just i cant see the minority of the people in the western world, who unfortunately are in power giving up. If they backed down it would be a huge blow to their ego, and thats something they arent willing to do right now or until something truely disastrous happens.

Keep in mind that although the mexican drug war is escalating it still seems to be pushed into the shadows. It could be getting a lot more attention than it is, at least from major media sources.

The second reason i cant see legalization coming any time soon, is the influence of the gangs. They have the mexican government in their pocket, or at least key players. There is no way they are about to give up that much money without a good fight. You have to think of the drug war as their income, many people live solely off of this war, in more places than just Mexico. This is their life.
 
clamjuice said:
Keep in mind that although the mexican drug war is escalating it still seems to be pushed into the shadows. It could be getting a lot more attention than it is, at least from major media sources.
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I agree.


clamjuice said:
The second reason i cant see legalization coming any time soon, is the influence of the gangs. They have the mexican government in their pocket, or at least key players. There is no way they are about to give up that much money without a good fight. You have to think of the drug war as their income, many people live solely off of this war, in more places than just Mexico. This is their life.
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True. But if the government had already nearly succeeded in legalizing drugs, what's to say they couldn't do it again for the win? Also, drug legalization will probably lower prices, but there is no reason for everyone to lose their 'job' because of legalization. In fact, the farmers might benefit economically. The infrastructure exists, the labor pool is there, all we have to do is bring it in to the fold so to speak, and the violence should stop. I'm talking full offers of legitimacy and protection from previous drug charges, in exchange for incorporation, regulation, and taxation.

Afterall, the violence is merely aggressive (very!) protection of business interests.
 
I don't see why America can't admit that they are wrong to continue this path. We are pulling out of Iraq in due course (albeit by sending troops to Afghanistan). A similar path may likely be taken with the War on Drugs, first by pulling out of the war on herb, then refocusing on "hard" drugs. When this proves just as disastrous, America will have to reassess its priorities as we soon will have to in the Middle East.
 
As long as there is a demand for a product SOMEBODY will be willing to supply it, damned the consequences.
 
clamjuice said:
they arent just going to give up profit that easily. They dont want the drug war to end,
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They don't have a choice. If we legalize, there's nothing they can do. You think they're gonna go blow up Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds to prevent them from making Marb Greens (which, by the way, is already trademarked)? Sure they don't WANT to give up their money, but if I can grow heady, delicious, BETTER nugs in my own backyard, or even get awesome dank from Canada, which I live more than close enough to, why the fuck would I buy nasty shit from Mexico? Mmmm.... homegrown.... *homer simpson noise* =D

and if you dont think they have an influence, your mistaken.

If neither side wants an end, dont expect one any time soon.
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Again, the hand will be forced if things get bad enough. American citizens are starting to see the light on this one, as evidenced by the shockingly large amount of debate, and even suggestion of legalization, on even mainstream news channels like CNN and HLN. If American citizens decide to take pity on those poor, poor Mexicans (don't get me started on how disingenuous all this bullshit is, but at least there'll be a positive result... 8)), it will happen quickly and effectively. Once shit is legalized, there will be plenty of American production nearly instantly. The infrastructure is already there. I know I'd start growing my own bud, too, among other chemicals I could make.
 
Well if you caught obama's last town hall answer period then you wont have to much faith in legalization occurring soon. He didn't even address the question properly. He said he does not support legalization of marijuana to boost the economy. The bill was introduced primarily because of drug war violence occurring along the us Mexico border. The issue was treated as a joke...

Until the smaller promises concerning marijuana, such as an end to the raids and prosecutions are kept dont expect anything big.
 
Last time I was in Mexico I was pulled over and they found some tar and a rig on me. The cops let me keep both, but, took my gold ring.
 
I've recently heard that most of the guns used by the cartels are just US replicas produced in Asia, as in, they don't have serial numbers, they just look like US produced weapons. Ron Paul has raised the good point that alarmism over weapons smuggling could well end up in reduction of gun rights...especially in Texas, that shit will not go over well.

Calderon has been quoted saying something to the tune of, "why don't they fucking legalize the shit already?!"; but no, Obama laughed at the idea of cannabis legalization, that's not even considering all of the other drugs.
 
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