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Urgent Q; combing aMT and 4-meo pcp
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How is this urgent? Does the fate of the world hang in the balance? It should be fine, 4-MeO-PCP (probably) isn't a monoamine releaser so the MAOI properties of AMT shouldn't lead to any unfavourable interactions. It might potentiate the 4-MeO-PCP a bit, so maybe take less than you otherwise would.
clubberdude
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I'm wondering how much of an MAOI effect aMT has. Is it comparable to that of Amphetamine? Or is it a much more potent MAOI? aMT seems fairly benign physically the times I have taken it...
IamMe90
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So wait, I thought aMT was dangerous in combo with MDMA because of its MAOI properties? But if it has the same MAOI activity as amphetamine... amph is taken in combo with MDMA all the time, often MDMA is cut with amph on the streets, I've never heard of any problems with the combination of the two. Do you think you could clarify that for me at all? Much thanks.
bighooter
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a few questions;
how on earth are you meant to do this rectally? It doesnt seem to dissolve with water just becomes like a waxy resin. Ive tried heating it and adding vitamin c but its not working.
Its also very difficult to snort as its so damp its just clumpy and not going up the nose properly.
how on earth are you meant to do this rectally? It doesnt seem to dissolve with water just becomes like a waxy resin. Ive tried heating it and adding vitamin c but its not working.
Its also very difficult to snort as its so damp its just clumpy and not going up the nose properly.
I don't think we really know for sure how effective aMT is as an MAOI. I'm pretty sure that fastandbulbous (who knows far more (as in anything) about this than me) said something about it being about the same as amphetamine; on the other hand, it was approved as an antidepressant in the USSR. I think that, at the time, it was presumed to be because of its MAOI properties, but it's monoamine release and serotonin receptor agonism may well come into play as well. Basically, I don't think anyone knows for sure, and it's best to err on the side of caution. People on here have posted about using MDMA and aMT together, and being fine, but it's not a risk I'd be particularly willing to take.
bighooter, have you got the freebase, yeah? Vit C should do the job, is it a pure powder you're using?
Thorns Have Roses
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If it doesn't dissolve it's probably the freebase, if it's still not dissolving after you tried turning it into a salt I guess it could have impurities that are non-water soluble (or you didn't covert it entirely/properly)? Maybe. If you want to snort it you just have to dry the stuff out, and you could always parachute it.
psood0nym
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From what I've gathered, the weak MAOI issue is a concern, but I think the bigger danger of combining them is not knowing how much aMT added to MDMA is similar in serotonin releasing capacity to "x" milligrams more MDMA. So, purely for illustration purposes, someone might think "well, 35 mg of aMT feels about like 125 mg MDMA to me, and so 125 mg of MDMA plus 35 mg of aMT will give us an experience similar to either 250 mg of MDMA or 70 mg aMT. Yeah we've handled those doses of both fine before." But then, when they take it, there's a synergistic interaction in serotonin releasing capacity (the effectiveness is more than the some of its parts), that little calculation they did doesn't live up to the linear logic, and they and their girlfriend spend a few hours virtually paralyzed, fading in and out of consciousness in a puddle of their sweat and vomit on the floor of a hot sandy tent while staring into each others' tearful eyes stammering "I love you.. I love you," all the time convinced they're watching each other slowly die (er, something like that -- I remember reading an Erowid report about the combo to that effect).
I think there's a similar fuzzy interaction gradient problem with any of these new triple monoamine releasers (mephedrone, 6-APB, 4-FA, etc.). Maybe your dosing logic will work, maybe it won't. I know personally that combining aMT and 4-FA was way more powerful than I imagined from "adding up" the subjective intensity of each dose I took alone. Thankfully I had played it safe and kept the initial doses of each low (and it was fucking awesome!!, heh.... heh..yeah). Some people have even combined selegiline (MAO-B inhibitor) with MDMA and lived. After combining that one with phenethylamine (the most common combination with selegiline) out of sheer curiosity, feeling my pulse in my face, and seeing a web of red blotches form on my shoulders and neck I would never even entertain the notion of that again, or recommend it (even if others have been fine). It's like Erowid says, everyone reacts different.
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clubberdude
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aMT definitely appears to potentiate MDMA somewhat, though doesn't feel particularly hazardous from a physical standpoint (at the dose levels I experienced anyway). That said, the degree of cross-potentiation might be highly variable and poorly defined. Addition of further chemicals adds in a greater number of unknown parameters so experimentation with such combinations should be done at lower doses. I've taken Ketamine with DOC before, and although the trip became very intense, nothing suggested (aside intensity) that this was particularly dangerous. Of course, I know little about 4-Meo-PCP so don't know much about the receptor activity profile of that drug (asides from the NMDA antagonism effects and possibly some dopaminergic receptor activity). Has this profile been characterized for 4-Meo-PCP yet?