TDS URGENT My friend, flubromazepam, alcohol, and my role

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Me and my mate are both from the UK
We used to love our booze and benzos, those research ones were great, but along came the ban.
I knew and prepared, securing a source which enabled me to 'Do what I had to do to keep safe' (words of the drug agency I am engagaing or trying to engage with)
My mate didnt know about the ban.
I told him, it got put off for a month, then it was imminent, upon us.
Anyway, he bought 500 orange flubromazepams before the ban, and I bought some diclazepam, in case what I had wasn't enough or I would not be able to get anymore, scripted or otherwise, but ever since, my friend has been taking 20-30 of the orange flubromazepams, a day, plus clonazepam some days, and I just gave him a pot of shitty msjs cos I presuaded him to go halves on 1000, they were shite, we both lost money, so I gave him mine for nothing, as he said they did help him get to sleep as the flubros were doing nothing in that respect.

He can't have that many left, say he takes 20-30 a day, so even though he got them from a famous and popoular research chemical site, he will be running out.
Dunno flubromazepam's half life, he could be fine, then BAM!!! i its anything like valium

I have prepared to come off my benzo habit, by speaking to GP, drug agancy, psychiatrist, psych staff etc
I've been bounced around that much btween drug agency and gp that It made my mental health go right downhill.
I have started a daily micro cut from a dose of 76mg, which should well have covered what I was taking before.
12 7.5 zopiclones, most days, from an IOP, can only think they are more potent than 7.5mg, despite thier dirt cheap price, they could have even been another benzo, as 76mg valium wasnt covering symptoms, but I was only taking 40mg for a fwe weeks, as I got the maths wrong when working out how much valilum I would need to zap zopiclone withdrawals i started getting.

I could be getting any old benzo as the zopiclones I was getting did not give me that bitter taste famous in zopiclones, that eeryone else seemes to get.

I then changed brand and secured a taper amount (drug agency etc might never script me so i am getting myself off them. As this brand is known for its strength, I went down from 75mg crescents to 40mg aupurin, but I am now on 75mg aupirun and still feel weepy with IBS, night sweats some nights etc.

Anyway, its my mate I am worried about.
He already had a benzo script, but the doctors took him offf too quick so he began taking other unprescribed benzos to stave off wds.
He drinks as well, I used to, but it started to mess my head up tooo much, so I knocked it on the head 9wks ago.
Anyroad, how much diazepam is in 30 of those orange flubromazepams?
What is the diazepam equivalent of one of those orange flubromazepams. I tried to go on ukchemist, but it wont accept my password and when I request a new one it keeps directing me back to the forgotten password page, so although that site is good, they can fuck off iwth their passwords.

My password wasnt even wrong, ive used it there loads before.

Is my friend going to die/?
He wont see things my way and taper, he might have even eaten most of his pills.

Ive tried telling him to taper, but he just gets a bit pissed off with me, cos I talk to him as if I am his mother, saying I am worried about him, and I should let him do things his own way, which if he does, what will happen.

I think in a few weeeks (if flubromazepam has a long symptom-lag-time) hes gonna come knocking at my door wanting pills, but I only have enough for myself to taper, so I cannot give him any.
Is that selfish?
No point in us both being sick.

thanks, greatful for any input, the more the merrier
 
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You are not being selfish to look after your own life but you need to get your friend to seek some medical help for tapering off the benzos (and hopefully to talk some sense into him about mixing with alcohol). If he is not going to seek medical help and you know he is putting his life in danger, enlist the aid of his family.
 
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You are not being selfish to look after your own life but you need to get your friend to seek some medical help for tapering off the benzos (and hopefully to talk some sense into him about mixing with alcohol). If he is not going to seek medical help and you know he is putting his life in danger, enlist the aid of his family.
Hi
I don't know his family.
He's getting sick of me going on about it.
If he dies, though, I will feel it is my fault because I never mentioned that taking all those drugs with opiates and alcohol is life threatening.
 
Well you should do more than mention it--you need to somehow convey the seriousness of it to him. After that, the ball is in his court. Even if you do not know his family you can tell him that you are genuinely worried for his life and that you are thereto support him seeking help.
 
You're in a tough situation but I think you need to take care of yourself first - you are not being selfish. I totally agree with herbavore - let the people who are close to your friend know the situation he is in as he will be going to the emergency department when he runs out and withdrawal sets in.

You asked about equivalencies, here is a link to the Ashton Manual - it has benzo equivalencies as well as taper information.

http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/

If you have any questions or just need to talk during your withdrawal feel free to pm me. I was on benzos for ten years and then got cut off cold turkey. I am very familiar with withdrawal and subsequent PAWS, and can give feedback if you find you're having trouble. I've been off of benzos for six years.

Regarding your friend, I sincerely hope he decides to listen to you, or see a doctor. He is in for a brutal withdrawal soon. It is absolutely life threatening and so much worse going cold turkey instead of doing a taper.

I wish you both the best!
 
Well you should do more than mention it--you need to somehow convey the seriousness of it to him. After that, the ball is in his court. Even if you do not know his family you can tell him that you are genuinely worried for his life and that you are thereto support him seeking help.
So, if he died it would partly be my fault. I sent him a facebook message saying, I know i told him i wouldnt nag but i forgot to tell him withdrawing from such huge amounts can be life threatening, and that if anything happened to him i would never forgive myself. and would blame myself if he died.
 
You're in a tough situation but I think you need to take care of yourself first - you are not being selfish. I totally agree with herbavore - let the people who are close to your friend know the situation he is in as he will be going to the emergency department when he runs out and withdrawal sets in.

You asked about equivalencies, here is a link to the Ashton Manual - it has benzo equivalencies as well as taper information.

http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/

If you have any questions or just need to talk during your withdrawal feel free to pm me. I was on benzos for ten years and then got cut off cold turkey. I am very familiar with withdrawal and subsequent PAWS, and can give feedback if you find you're having trouble. I've been off of benzos for six years.

Regarding your friend, I sincerely hope he decides to listen to you, or see a doctor. He is in for a brutal withdrawal soon. It is absolutely life threatening and so much worse going cold turkey instead of doing a taper.

I wish you both the best!
Hi Moreaux

I dont know his family or anyone close to him.
I am sorry you went through wd and paws. Congrats on being off for six years.
Thank you for the offer to talk about withdrawals to you, is it ok to pm you if i need to talk?
thanks
 
I guarantee you he will be seeking medical help once he gets a little taste of the withdrawal. Its not like he is going to drop dead. He will start feeling withdrawal then if he does nothing for a day or so as they progress he will start with the seizures. As the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink.
 
I guarantee you he will be seeking medical help once he gets a little taste of the withdrawal. Its not like he is going to drop dead. He will start feeling withdrawal then if he does nothing for a day or so as they progress he will start with the seizures. As the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but cant make him drink.

So very true.

ETA: this will be an unfortunate learning experience for your friend.

How are you holding up?
 
Life is about to smack your friend in the face 8o.. U are not being selfish if u warned your friend..u did the right thing to stock up for a taper...when he starts having a panic attack that turns into a sezuire he will have a different mindset..if it becomes life threatening I would give him a few pills until he gets medical attention
 
Hi @Cdkman @Moreaux @cj

Thankfully, my friend responded, and although he isn't going about things the right way, i am now satisfied that I have done all I can. He says he has sources for things. He was talking xanax bars the other day, it's the first time Ive seen one, they look a bit like these new shaped E's but I wont be taking one.
I'm already tapering, and it looks like I am getting a script, I just hope they will let me taper using my body as a guide, because, if done properly, a taper needn't hurt, apart from tapering away symptoms at the start, from previous bad tapers etc.
My friend assured me he has a plan in case of sudden withdrawal, so I am happy with that. I am now less worried even though I know his arse will be kicked. His Dad has benzos so he can give him some and get him to the A&E if needed. He did reassure me, and I said I am just being a mate, not trying to nag.
As for me, I spent the weekend in bed, couldnt face getting up and looking at my unfinished builders project of a home with no money to do what needs doing, and other stressors.
I was hugging a blanket, rocking back and forth, sobbing.
I have Borderline Pd on top of all this bollocks, and borderline just multiplies anything negative, so catastrophising is common.
My appetite went and I got the runs so bad that i was up and down constantly,, I might as well have sat on the loo.
I'm using opiates today. I do a few times a week to get relief from the exhausing sobbing, worrying, and worrying my friends too.
I've done the opiate thing about 5yrs now, I always stick to my limits with these though.
Someone sent me two 80mg oxys in the post by accident, he'd never have known and when i sent them back, he was astounded at my honesty.
I did buy them once, but I quartererd them just to boost the df118's and codeine I normally take, but I am scared of oxys if truth be known,, dont want antoher habit, I have had four, already, discounting relapses, booze, speed, valium and pregab.
I'm doing well with the pregab though.
I must update my thread, but Im dead busy today cos of being in bed two days.
I taepered from 600mg to 200mg since xmas, starting with 5mg daily cuts, as I hadnt been on 600 that long, and gradually reducing cuts as dose went down, now on 2mg cuts. I take 0.4mg out of each five hourly dose.
The idea is to keep pregab blood levels as stable as possible.
It's a right drag making them up though, dissolveing them in capsules. I dunno if they are light sensitive, so I keep the glass screw top jars in old gravy tins, the cardboard tpye with plastic lids, great for keeping them dark.I had amber bottles, but the cardboard fell out of the top, rendering them useless.
I do apprciate you asking how I am doing though.
 
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That's great news you're doing well, and your friend has some support and a plan in place. I have been concerned. Let us know if you run into difficulty or have questions. Take care.
 
That's great news you're doing well, and your friend has some support and a plan in place. I have been concerned. Let us know if you run into difficulty or have questions. Take care.
Hi

I used to dose 75mg on a morning, then 12 days ago, I decided to split my dose in two, thinking it would not affect me what with valium's long hal life, but yesterday I fell ill, I got bad diarrhoea, talking 9 visits to the loo, and today I felt so queasy that I took my night time dose at 4pm this afternoon as I felt I would throw up.

I hope to feel well, going back to dosing once a day.
I hope now that I have gone back to dosing once a day, my diarrhoea will go and my nausea will go also.
I had opiates today so my diarrhoea has gone, but I hope it doesn't come back when I don't take opiates. I couldnt leave the house cos I kept needing the loo and my rear was really sore today.
 
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