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Urgent advice much appreciated. (Phenibut, Gbl, betablockers)

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Zilith

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Afraid to fall asleep.

I'm doing withdrawl from Lyrica and trying to ease the pain from hell with at the moment Phenibut two or three days a week one big dose, and occasionally one dose of Arkamin (Clonidine) or/and Seloken (Metroprolol).

Today I took GBL for the first time. I'm still a bit confused about downers mixed together and so I felt irresponsibility taking GBL without before more knowledge. It knocked me out to sleep after a few minutes, at 2ml. I woke up from the dopamine rush, really high blood pressure & 115 bbm and lots of anxiety. I was badly in need to vomite due to dizzyness. While it was taking affect I nodded myself awake for just a few seconds because I was breathing like I was chippin for air.. What in the hell I thought before I unwilling fell back to sleep. Also, had to urinate fully loaded about 5 times within a few hours, without drinking anything. What's that about..

I then in great desperation and scared to death dosed myself with my Phenibut, 2.5g-3g, Lyrica, 650mg and Arkamin/Seloken 100mcg each. Two hours later I felt better but not good, I kept myself from falling asleep because I was afraid of my much decreased blood pressure.

Right now 7 hours after each dose I could really use some more Phenibut since I don't feel recovered from the bad GBL dose, it's very dizzy I can barely write this, my short term memory is a mess, made this post 2 hours to write. I just want to pass out but I'm too afraid.
Asking in this right moment because I need to get some sleep before Lyrica starts to lose effect, and I dont want to take Phenibut two days in row.

For the last two hours my blood pressure have been around 100-110 sys mmHg and 54-63 DIA mmhG and 60-75 bbm. At the moment it shows 106 sys and 63 dia and 60 bbm. Would another dose of 1g-2g really affect my bloodflow?

/Confused person
 
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I would not take any more drugs tonight. How are you feeling now?

You didn't mention what your normal doses for each drug are, that makes a difference. And why exactly do you think you need more? Your post is a bit confusing to me, sorry.
 
I'm still no good. I've been trying to rest all day and wait for a full recovery since yesterday but that doesn't seem to have happend. Maybe the lack of sleep? Right, about the doses, the Lyrica is the dose I take every night. The Phenibut was the same as 3 days before yesterday. The thing I can't understand is how this could have happend, it was like I started experiencing bad GBL withdrawals from after just one dose. Or is this effects from a Phenibut withdrawal? It doesn't seem so, since last night was my second dose, ever taken. And I've never heard of a withdrawal this bad from just one dose, and I would've feel better now since the re-dose last night.

This feels more like some kind of allergic reaction from the GBL more than anything else. I don't know. Is it possible for GBL to throw you out of balance just like that? I was also experiencing something called heartburn, felt like my throat/neck was on fire. Numbness loss in my left leg a few times as well. And I have this bad chemical smell in my mouth that won't go away, I've tried with pretty much everything. Makes the little food I'm able to force myself down taste very bad.

I wanted more Phenibut because the dose I took I felt wasn't enough for me to sleep to try sleep away these symptomes, and I was right because I wasn't able to sleep for more than 30 minutes but maybe that was for the best anyways.

Almost time to take my daily dose of Lyrica, I want to take more Phenibut to that, to fall asleep and let my body a chance to heal itself. Again, I'm not sure if that would be safe. My blood pressure is 127, 71 and 51 bpm.. Is it safe for me to do so? I can't stand feeling like this.
 
You shouldn't mix GBL and Phenibut together. It's a dangerous combo. Add Lyrica to that and you're pretty dead, sorry to say that.

Go see your physician to make a taper plan together. That's the only sound advice we can give you. Good luck.
 
Just saw your post now. I would definitely stay away from GBL in the future. It sounds like a bad reaction from the GBL, not an "allergic" reaction or withdrawals (and no you can not get GBL withdrawals from just one dose), just a normal adverse reaction - bad side effects are really common from GBL, especially if you take too much or mix it with other drugs. 2ml is a pretty high starting dose. I would advise you not take GBL again, at least not in that high a dose and especially please do not take it around the same time as any other drugs or alcohol.

I'm sorry but I don't know for sure whether it's safe to take the Phenibut and Lyrica now. How long has it been since you took the GBL? If you are no longer feeling any effects from the GBL, and it's been over 24 hours since you took it, it should probably be ok to take your normal doses of the Phenibut and Lyrica.

As loulou said, it would really be best for you to see a doctor to come up with a plan for your drug taper.
 
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Your biggest mistake was taking GBL on top of the other drugs. 2ml is a pretty decent dose even if you were completely sober, so with other GABA acting drugs in your system, it's quite dangerous. GBL would, most likely, relieve your withdrawal symptoms if you took it by itself, but the inability to stay awake and strange breathing patterns is definitely characteristic of a minor GBL/GHB overdose. However the good thing is, GBL leaves your body pretty damn quick so you shouldn't be feeling too bad for much longer and if you are, it's likely from factors other than the GBL.

If you plan to use GBL again accompanied by the other drugs you've mentioned, please start at 1ml (maybe even slightly less) and see how that goes. As they say, you can always take more, but never take less. Oh and lou is spot on, go see a doctor for a proper taper plan.
 
revolve - Do you know how long the effects of GBL generally last for? I know that GHB normally only lasts for about 1-5 hrs, but I've heard GBL can last a lot longer - is that true? I haven't been able to find much reliable info about it online and don't have much personal experience with GBL.
 
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(This was written 24 hours ago)

Thanks for the post people, I'm greatful. I feel so alone in this. I don't know what to do, I'm still not recovered, at all, haven't been able to bring myself to sit up at the computer to check if someone answered this thread.

As to my previous post (Now 42 hours ago), I ended up taking Phenibut, 3g, and my daily Lyrica dose. Three hours before intake it got extremly bad, I layed on the bathroom floor crying trying to vomit before my head would explode. Three hours later it got a bit better, but still bad, couldn't fall asleep so I took 1g more Phenibut. At that point I didn't care if I would stop breathing, I was terrible scared but I just wanted the suffer to go away. It worked and I slept 4 hours. When I woke up I could barely move my arms and legs and barely could speak, it took a long time before I knew where I even were. I slowly regained some sanity and then I would start to feel more symptoms. Randomly ringing in my head like when you've heard something really loud, pain from my nerves on my lower back and upper legs, upper pelvis pain, constantly in a need to urinate, minor leakage from my butt and lots of gas, skin rashes, hypersensitivity to cold/light/sound/touch, a feeling that I was floating, tinnitus, randomly spasm in my limbs and tounge and cheek, big pupils, hallucinations. I'm sure there's more but those are the ones I can think of.
I'm still having these symptomes but I'm able to sit myself up now, but not for long, dizziness got much worse and I badly want to vomit. I don't know what to do, I don't want to take Phenibut again because it only made things worse. This isn't stopping, I can't stop it, I'm so scared.

(Here I had to stop)
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Currently: I'm feeling a bit better, I've been taking Etizolam so that's why. It helped me sleep 5 hours. However I'm still not recovered. Must lay down at all time with the lights off to keep the dizziness away. When I stand up, my bpm jumps up to around 140. Bloodpressure is slightly under normal at the moment. It's been over 70 hours since I took GBL now, why aren't I getting better?

About go seeing a doctor about a taper plan. Why should I do that? I mean, I'm not addicted, I just took them 1-2 times.

I have no idea what to do..
 
Hi Zilith, I'm sorry I didn't see this sooner. I hope you are ok! Do you feel any better now? Seeing a doctor is definitely a good idea.

Did you mean a taper plan for the Lyrica? If you've only taken the other drugs a few times, then there is no need to keep taking them, aside from if there was something that was helping with the Lyrica withdrawals without giving you any side effects. Please see a doctor as soon as you can. I'm not sure whether your symptoms are from a drug overdose or from the Lyrica withdrawals, or both, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to try to figure it out on your own.
 
I'm fully recovered now. Took a large dose of Etizolam and slept for 19 hours straight, then I woke up all good. :)

About the Lyrica, I broke my taper plan so It wasn't because of it that made me the way I was.

Anyways, thanks for all the support!
 
GBLs duration is shorter and it's much less forgiving than GHB in terms of dosage and ill effects, I would avoid it altogether and certainly avoid mixing it with anything as a general rule. Aside from the risks of various combinations it's ability to make you puke along side the likely hood of a blackout is fairly dangerous in itself.

It doesn't agree with me at all, any active dose makes me nauseous, even GHB does the same, probably for the best given it can lead rapidly to 24/7 dosing and car crash dependence if you get on with the stuff and don't exercise a great deal of self control, of which I have little;)
 
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