Update .... I think it's finally happening... Also sub qeustion

[love88]

hi everyone!

U guys seen some of my posts on here basically trying to get some sober time from oxcodone...

Well I wanna say that I think I'm starting to get alil time under my belt, slowly, but I think it happening! I'm at 3 days! I've never made it past 3 days! I did take 2mg sub 30 hours ago. Im determined not to use today !

It all started a month ago when a few bad things happened. They actually ended up turning into something good. I feel different. I feel optimistic about sobriety (I'm still scared n worried tho) It also has to do with one other thing.....a guy! I finally met a nice guy and I'm pretty sure he's The 'One'. I jus have this feeling that i never felt before. He makes me wanna be a better person. Not to mention he HAteS drugs. He doesn't know that I get prescribed oxcodone. He knowns I have pain n that I do go to the dr.

So he jus makes me sooo happy. I haven't been like this in a very long time. So I've been trying to go to the gym, eating healthy, and not using drugs. Weve only been together for 2 months but I jus know he's in my life for a reason.
I know that some of u are gonna say "u need to get sober for urself...". That's true but he's what's making me realize for myself, and to better myself. So I'm not jus getting sober for him, he's just making me realize that I need to get sober for myself.

Question.... Like I said, I took a 2mg sub about 30hours ago. When I took the sub, I was wayy past the 24hr mark. I waited till I was in WD which happens to come in the middle of the night yesterday. So 30hrs since a 2mg sub, i still feel ok. I woke up with a cold an I'm positive it's a cold not WD.

So should I jus wait to see when I feel shitty n take another 2mgs? Or should i take it now to prevent WD?! Not sure what to do
side note>>>I am also taking gabapentin, flexiral, and I have Xanx So I don't know if that medication is masking wds?!


Thanks everyone!! Ur all an inspiration!!!

 

[VitamaN]

Go ahead and prevent the WD's ...
You're already going through enough. I wouldnt mix it with the xanax though.

 

[Just A Guy]

Way to go, love88! That was a nice post to wake up to. Here's to you and being successful. I agree with VitamaN. Prevent the withdrawals, but try to avoid any other narcotics.

 

[love88]

Thanks for answering!!!!!!.. So ur both saying to take the sub? Ok. Also I want this to be a super quick taper. What would u recomend I have enough subs to do this tho I've read I only need one 8mg to get through.
I jus can't believe I'm doin this. I unfortunately sign up to work today (did this a week ago n didn't think I'd be sober). So tonight will be a test. I mean I doubt I'll even make enough money to get want I was. But the test is, that I hate workin sober

Im trying to think of my guy ever time I want blues. I think about how I ruined one relationship basically bc of blues and I feel like this guy is my second chance. I feel like if he were to find out, he's kick me to the curb.
I cant let that happen again!!!

 

[bcfly7x7]

Thanks for answering!!!!!!.. So ur both saying to take the sub? Ok. Also I want this to be a super quick taper. What would u recomend I have enough subs to do this tho I've read I only need one 8mg to get through.
I jus can't believe I'm doin this. I unfortunately sign up to work today (did this a week ago n didn't think I'd be sober). So tonight will be a test. I mean I doubt I'll even make enough money to get want I was. But the test is, that I hate workin sober

Im trying to think of my guy ever time I want blues. I think about how I ruined one relationship basically bc of blues and I feel like this guy is my second chance. I feel like if he were to find out, he's kick me to the curb.
I cant let that happen again!!!

Love,

So here is the issue, im sure you know subs is still an opioid. You really don't taper from it quickly. It takes time, if you need 8mg daily, just to get through one day, expect a 16 week taper. You should be tapering at a half a mg per week. If you really want a quick taper you should start at 2mg broken into .5mg over the entire day. Thus leaving only a 4 week taper. Those on subs find the hardest transition at 2mg. I strongly suggest you consider this is a snippet from subs detox taper.

Part Four: Sample Suboxone Detox Schedule: From 8mg per Day to Zero in 4-6 Months

The first week of tapering will bring a bit of anxiety because you will be nervous about possible withdrawal symptoms, cravings, pain and all of the other things you worry about when you begin to taper meds. The thing to be cognizant of with suboxone is that the first few milligrams that you taper should have very little effect on you. That is, if done correctly. So as a result, we’re going to taper more aggressively in the beginning of the schedule than we will at the end of the taper process. So make sure that you make the appropriate adjustments in the dosage as you see fit if you are taking more than 8mg’s per day; perhaps your prescribing physician can work with you on a schedule. As I mentioned, this is just an example of one taper schedule. You may have a different dose and schedule so you’ll need to calculate your own dose. One of the main keys to this strategy is to keep the dose consistent at all times except when you taper down to your next dose level. For instance, if you take your medication once a day then keep doing so…and if you are taking it twice a day then you need to keep taking it twice a day until your schedule dictates otherwise. Consistency and the gentle progression of the dose changes are critical and I will emphasize both ad-nauseum.

For the purposes of the demonstration below I’m breaking the doses up intotwo per daywhich is common for people taking 8mg Suboxone per day.

Week 1-Week 2:Lower daily dose from 8mg to 7mg (3.5mg per dose) with a total intake of 98 mg’s over the period of 14 days

Notes:Take 7, 8mg pills and “shave off” one milligram as I demonstrate in the pictures below. If you are using strips, that’s even easier to cut into the right sizes (see figure below). Make sure to save the pieces from the pills or strips that you cut off and put them into a separate pill bottle that you have cleaned and saved for this occasion. This extra bottle will hold your “rescue doses”

Hope this helps and shows you the above is the proper way to taper subs.

My best to you and congrats on wanting to get clean.

Bob

Edit: I think I miss read that you were taking 8mg daily. If you have only 8mg total, I would do 1mg for 4 days, then .5mg for another 4 days. Either way the tapering should be done in half mgs. Good luck, sorry for any confusion.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

The gabapentin, bupe and alprazolam will be masking the wd, but great work moving off your drug of choice and making the decision to change your life, it's it many ways the most difficult step!

Whether you take more sub depends on what you're trying to do here. If you're trying to actually get clean and detox now then I would say no don't take the sub or take maybe 1mg when you start to feel shitty, then 0.5mg when it comes round again etc and do a fast taper. Easing yourself in to the detox can be of much use. If you carry on taking the 2mg of sub you're not getting clean you're just switching addictions. However, there can be value in that. Putting some time between your addict/using behaviour with your drug of choice and the time when you try to detox is of a lot of value for many people. Getting the psychological battle of not using short acting opiates out of the way before moving on and tackling the physical side of things can be very useful. Stabilising on subutex was useful for me and got me away from using street drugs and then when the time was appropriate I detoxed from it.

Also, without wanting to be a buzzkill, if you are on a regular xanax script that's just as much of an issue as the oxycodone really, but one step at a time and all that....

Seems like a strange combo of meds to be on, if you don't mind me asking what are they scripted for? Xanax is usually for anxiety, and gabapentin for either neuropathic pain or anxiety, and oxycodone is as far as I'm aware no good for neuropathic pain? So it seems like there's an overlap and being scripted multiple meds for the same issue? Forgive me if I'm prying to much, just trying to understand your situation!

 

[love88]

The gabapentin, bupe and alprazolam will be masking the wd, but great work moving off your drug of choice and making the decision to change your life, it's it many ways the most difficult step!

Whether you take more sub depends on what you're trying to do here. If you're trying to actually get clean and detox now then I would say no don't take the sub or take maybe 1mg when you start to feel shitty, then 0.5mg when it comes round again etc and do a fast taper. Easing yourself in to the detox can be of much use. If you carry on taking the 2mg of sub you're not getting clean you're just switching addictions. However, there can be value in that. Putting some time between your addict/using behaviour with your drug of choice and the time when you try to detox is of a lot of value for many people. Getting the psychological battle of not using short acting opiates out of the way before moving on and tackling the physical side of things can be very useful. Stabilising on subutex was useful for me and got me away from using street drugs and then when the time was appropriate I detoxed from it.

Also, without wanting to be a buzzkill, if you are on a regular xanax script that's just as much of an issue as the oxycodone really, but one step at a time and all that....

Seems like a strange combo of meds to be on, if you don't mind me asking what are they scripted for? Xanax is usually for anxiety, and gabapentin for either neuropathic pain or anxiety, and oxycodone is as far as I'm aware no good for neuropathic pain? So it seems like there's an overlap and being scripted multiple meds for the same issue? Forgive me if I'm prying to much, just trying to understand your situation!

Thanks for replying

As for ur question about my meds, I'm a pain patient and get the oxycodone and the gabapentin from my pain dr. The GABA I don't take regularly as it says on the bottle, I only take it when I'm WDling. The Xanx is from a gp and I've only had it two months now(my pain dr knows about the xanax script) I have bad anxiety, ever since I was a kid and I think my drug abuse stems from it. So my thought was to take the Xanx jus during the WD So I could get through. It's like I've been putting this plan all together To get sober n now it's all in place and I need to jus do it!

Update: so I ended up using yesterday .... I was surprised how long the 2mg sub lasted me; almost 3 days?! But instead of taking 1mg when I started to feel crappy, i thought I'd give myself a "treat" for doing good and it happened to be Friday, payday.... I'm upset with myself. Back to square one . The only good thing out of this is that I know I can do it and it's not as scary as I thought.
Uhggg. So I guess I'll try n do the same thing over, but hopefully make it 8 days or longer before I slip up.