Lysergamides Untested blotter isn’t “acid” — it’s unknown blotter

[Cheshire_Kat]

i've jokety discussed this before on the forums...
There must be a certain algorithm where the price/'qouted'-microgram and the actual micrograms on the paper = the amount of steps you are from the actual chemist.

Quote from the BL PD rules...

Price vs dose is not allowed Please read the Sub forum User's Guide.
*No discussing quality, availability or price: This is related to the 'no sources' rule. NONE of this stuff is our business, and none of it is "bluelight material." Quality, availability and price are all about acquiring drugs, which is a topic we do not discuss here.

So the relationship between price vs dose may exist, but it's not discussed or quoted here...

 

[ex-amine]

o.k. this one goes deep (and i might be sharing too much) :

1cP-LSD was at a certain point mixed with Hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrine (HPBCD) to keep it stable for longer.
I think his might have had to do with the tartrate not binding properly..
Eventhough lysergics are water soluble HPBCD still protects them partially against oxidation (and maybe some UV)
But HPBCD is also a known transporter / enhancer for bioavailabilty in the human body. this could be an explanation.
(for example nano-THC (with HPBCD or BCD) is soo much faster orally active than THC edibles

But actually a better explanation would be the interactions with your CYP-enzymes system..:
if you had any food or even a slow digestive moment of the day without any food, or you did some work out, or just had a walk or a swim, or even went from hott to cold or vice versa ..all these weird unknown factors influence your whole (enzymatic) system.. and could be an explanation for quick or slow interaction.

 

[ex-amine]

Quote from the BL PD rules...

So the relationship between price vs dose may exist, but it's not discussed or quoted here...

understood

 

[xdrc]

As someone who has licked crystal LSD on 2 occasions, I just want to say it is essentially tasteless. If anything it has an acidic bubbly sensation where it touches my tongue.
That said, i guess impurities or maybe even ink from the art can have a taste.

I don't think people trust blotter any more than they trust geltabs or liquid?

In PiHKAL there is an anecdote of some lab assistant of Shulgin licking a spatula after weighing out some LSD (thinking it was psilocybin) and proclaiming it slightly bitter, then proceeding to have a rich day at the Dow chemical plant.

It's been a while since I had any tabs with lysergamides (and these were just ALD-52 and an analogue fluorinated on the alkylamide chain, the latter which I have seen zero analysis done but have received a building block for which can be used for 2C-T-21...) but both weren't tasteless despite being on white paper (which had deteriorated into something off-colour with the latter). But I don't question your experience - so maybe it depends on the purity, and following that on art blotters ink etc?

Interestingly with my LSD prodrug trips I had a metallic taste during the trip. I haven't had any NBOx in my mouth besides 25E-NBOH, which shows very strong metallic taste and of course anaesthetic action. 25D-NBOH I only used nasally, where the anaesthetic action is present as well. If the same sensations are shared among the rest of the class (which other people attest), it's more of a definite (albeit late) telltale sign rather than a "my trip was difficult and I think maybe it was slightly bitter". Oh and interestingly with this strong 25E-NBOH trip that metallic taste - just like with the ALD-52 - reappeared during the trip (after it had subsided from sublingual use). I wonder if a metallic taste as some sort of hallucination is perhaps common with strong trips in general (again, I don't refer to an actual taste during ingestion but one appearing later).

Test your drugs because if you are wondering in the aftermath what it was, it's definitely too late, is my point.

 

[Syntherize]

This is mostly true. In another life i would go to festivals and sell blotter art. There were 2 or 3 times i regretted selling a person a page because i knew they were gonna lay Nbomes and sell it as LSD.

That said some of the DOB and DOM being sold on DNM are in fact quite a bit larger and thicker, as they require miligrams instead of micrograms. The DOM especially which was dosed at 5mg, when i opened it from the vacuum sealed bag you could literally see crystal dom in a grid pattern.

Yes, a lot of RC blotters demand thicker blotter paper and occasionally a larger area to lay the substance on. There are different types of blotter paper (made for watercolors), and if the standard dose is beyond, let’s say, 350ug then you need thicker or larger paper. LSD is the one psychedelic that you can fill a full “double laid dose” of approximately 350 micrograms within a .25in x .25in blotter. There’s a good reason that microdots and gel tabs exist, and it’s because you can dose them with more LSD (usually 400-500ug).

 

[Syntherize]

wow even when it's printed. Shitty seller obviously but that's kinda on the buyer too.

I have taken DOI only once, it is extremely uncommon.
Least fav of the DOx which, generally i don't love.

Sometimes WOW blotter (plain white on white) paper is the best LSD that you’ll ever get, and it might be stronger than some printed (Art) pages. Usually the more something is marketed as something super great with neat packaging is of less quality to the pure good shit.

 

[ex-amine]

Yes, a lot of RC blotters demand thicker blotter paper and occasionally a larger area to lay the substance on. There are different types of blotter paper (made for watercolors), and if the standard dose is beyond, let’s say, 350ug then you need thicker or larger paper. LSD is the one psychedelic that you can fill a full “double laid dose” of approximately 350 micrograms within a .25in x .25in blotter. There’s a good that microdots and gel tabs exist, and it’s because you can dose them with more LSD (usually 400-500ug).

you can easily put 1000 microgram (1mg) on a standard (a 20x25 = 500 trips) sheet.
But this would ofcourse be way too much.

Double dose doesn't mean a larger or thicker paper.

 

[Syntherize]

you can easily put 1000 microgram (1mg) on a standard (a 20x25 = 500 trips) sheet.
But this would ofcourse be way too much.

Double dose doesn't mean a larger or thicker paper.

A strip is 10 hits. A sheet is 100 hits. A page is 1000 hits. A Bible is 10,000 hits and that’s a full gram of LSD in 100ug/doses. Yes, the blotter is thicker and/or larger for most higher dose RC drugs. This info is all on Erowid.org, I’ve worked with Dancesafe and The Drug Coalition of America for over a decade while getting GC/MS testing for different drugs from differing supply chains. Also, go try to lay 1mg of LSD on standard acid-free, highly absorbent cotton paper, such as organic 250 GSM stock, perforated into small, usually 0.25-inch, individual tab blotter paper and see how much you’re gonna screw it all up. I’ve also probably done and moved more acid $$$$ than you in my life.

 

[Didgital]

Quote from the BL PD rules...

We weren't actually discussing price. He's making a joke that the farther you are away from the chemist the higher the price and the lower the dose?

In PiHKAL there is an anecdote of some lab assistant of Shulgin licking a spatula after weighing out some LSD (thinking it was psilocybin) and proclaiming it slightly bitter, then proceeding to have a rich day at the Dow chemical plant.

err what page is that? My 2 times licking crystal I'm lucky I didn't get naked run around and get arrested. Both of my "thumbprints" were easily 5mg though. If it was a mg or so I'd probably be ok.

LSD prodrug trips I had a metallic taste during the trip.

I dunno I think that's pretty common. You don't get metallic taste from just regular LSD though while tripping? I've gotten all sorts of synthasesia strange tastes sights smells. Actually, come to think of it. LSD is really the only compound that caused me to smell colors etc.

 

[xdrc]

I have never tried plain LSD, that's why I can't comment on it

That anecdote is chapter 3, Burt, in PiHKAL.

 

[Didgital]

I have never tried plain LSD, that's why I can't comment on it

That anecdote is chapter 3, Burt, in PiHKAL.

whoa your kidding me? Not sure if you're in the states but LSD is way more available then the analogues.


I'll have to read it next copy i see. I mainly hang out in the back of the book.

 

[Ismene2]

The problem is DOM and DOB are at least 6 times more expensive than acid - so only a fucking idiot would pass them off as "acid" in the first place.

Ive always had acid on every blotter ive ever had

 

[Viraldrome]

This is mostly true. In another life i would go to festivals and sell blotter art. There were 2 or 3 times i regretted selling a person a page because i knew they were gonna lay Nbomes and sell it as LSD.

That said some of the DOB and DOM being sold on DNM are in fact quite a bit larger and thicker, as they require miligrams instead of micrograms. The DOM especially which was dosed at 5mg, when i opened it from the vacuum sealed bag you could literally see crystal dom in a grid pattern.

But I bought some self laid LSD and the blotters were huge, and thick, but it was still lsd. I am just saying the size of the blotter is not indictive of what is on the blotter and its dangerous to think you can guess what have based on that....

 

[Ismene2]

Yeah the thickness of the blotter has nothing to do with whats on it. That's really stupid inane bullshit made up by the kind of doofus who breaks wind in the bathtub and sits there laughing and sniffing his own farts. Probably too thick to wipe his arse successfully.

I've had DOM hundreds of times on the same blotter thickness as LSD.

 

[cycloprop]

In a lot of places most of the chemicals that you can pass off as LSD are all illegal and harder to find than LSD. That being said, I still do treat blotters that I don't know the source of as unknown chemicals.

 

[SlizchemNL]

Good points, I should’ve worded that part more carefully.

I agree size, thickness, artwork, and taste aren’t reliable identifiers by themselves. Same paper or designs can be used for different substances, and “bitter = NBOMe” is definitely too simplistic. Taste can come from ink, paper, impurities, or other factors too.

My main point was more basic: blotter format doesn’t really prove anything. Even if it’s sold as acid, printed nicely, from a decent source, or people say it’s fine, that still isn’t confirmation.

So the cleaner way to say it is probably:

Untested blotter isn’t automatically dangerous or fake, it’s just unknown until tested.

I do agree there’s no excuse for knowingly selling fake LSD, especially where basic reagent testing is easy enough to get. But users also shouldn’t treat artwork, taste, tab size, or reputation as proof either.

Appreciate the examples too - the DOI/DOB/DOM and synthetic cannabinoid cases are exactly the kind of thing I had in mind when I made the thread.

 

[xdrc]

Just a note, confirming with just one reagent is also not enough. There has been a case of tryptamine being added to 1P-LSD to fool the Ehrlich, and it does not take a genius to do the same strategy with DOx or NBOx. Thus additional reagents should be used to check explicitly for the presence of those, or more ideally, instrumental analytics are preferred.

 

[Esperighanto]

Just a note, confirming with just one reagent is also not enough. There has been a case of tryptamine being added to 1P-LSD to fool the Ehrlich, and it does not take a genius to do the same strategy with DOx or NBOx. Thus additional reagents should be used to check explicitly for the presence of those, or more ideally, instrumental analytics are preferred.

When I was in high school, the kids knew how to get NBOMe blotter to pop as containing an indole (and therefore fooling some half-baked assays of reagent tests). It instilled a STRONG sense of caution in me, where even a well tested sheet I often won't exceed 4-6 tabs, since I know I've bodied ~7.5mg of 25C-NBOMe before and that is roughly as far as I'm trying to push that possibility. I would advise most people start with one tab or two though, I'm just a fucking freak with that sort of thing.

Oh yes.. : Some potent synthetic cannabinoids (SGT's) have also been found on (mostly blank) papers.

(forgot to mention this)

I just finished smoking my last sheet of this maybe a month ago! I had 50mcg tabs of MDMB-4en-PINACA I put on old blotter I had kicking around so it was easier to dose, and it came out in a far more evenly-distributed fashion than it ever did when I infused to any of a variety of smokeable plants. I did find that 1-3mg was a sweet spot, 4-6 was a lot and 8+mg of MDMB-4en-PINACA smoked in one sitting was world-spinningly nauseating. Before ever touching synthetic cannabinoids, I was the type to smoke 7 full grams of rosin in 2 days without problem, fully functioning, smoking it in a lossless enail setup. That's to say, like I mentioned above, don't do this shit just because I bodied it, I may be a freak in some metabolic manner.

A strip is 10 hits. A sheet is 100 hits. A page is 1000 hits. A Bible is 10,000 hits and that’s a full gram of LSD in 100ug/doses. Yes, the blotter is thicker and/or larger for most higher dose RC drugs. This info is all on Erowid.org, I’ve worked with Dancesafe and The Drug Coalition of America for over a decade while getting GC/MS testing for different drugs from differing supply chains. Also, go try to lay 1mg of LSD on standard acid-free, highly absorbent cotton paper, such as organic 250 GSM stock, perforated into small, usually 0.25-inch, individual tab blotter paper and see how much you’re gonna screw it all up. I’ve also probably done and moved more acid $$$$ than you in my life.

I have ran through 3 separate social circles of acid traffickers who handle the chem side of things too, 2 are nomadic, not one of them used this scheme you're talking about. They always ran a strip as 10, a sheet as 100, a page as 900 (3 sheets x 3 sheets), and a bible as 9,000 (ten pages). Often a gram was broken down per bible, but for the most part a gram would become a half liter of mildly acidified saline that would be broken down into distribution droppers, which would then be moved and turned into smaller consumer-level droppers by suppliers for street level drug dealers. I have no doubts at all that these practices vary as all of this was on the east coast of the US. I'm glad somebody else here like you brought up how exceptionally difficult laying blotter is, I've been working on different techniques for it for uh, half a decade or so? I'm still only mediocre with it tbh. It is crazy what you can fit onto paper though, I could get 8mg of 2C-B, 10mg of methamphetamine, 4mg of etizolam, and at one point something like 12.5mg of DOM onto standard sized tabs. It's fucking nutty what you can do with it, but it takes an absurd amount of patience, observation and an absolutely antisocial amount of obsession on things. I'm sure you also cringe at the thought of how many people don't think to use a level on their drying dishes. I've made some real like "menace to society" uneven shit when I was first starting, thankfully I just self-supply and have a strange obsession with blotter as a medium, I've never participated in trafficking myself. I'd keep quiet about it on BL anyways, there's a known presence of LEOs here.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

One thing that still surprises me in the psychedelic scene is how quickly people trust blotter.

Someone sees a tiny square of paper and the brain immediately goes: LSD.
But paper doesn’t identify the compound.

That mistake matters a lot with RC psychedelics. With LSD, people assume a certain safety margin. But if the blotter is actually something else — NBOMe/NBOH/DOx or another potent compound — the whole risk profile changes. Dose, duration, body load, redosing risk, and physical side effects can be completely different.

The dangerous part is that the person passing it on may not even be lying. A substance can move through several hands, and everyone just repeats the name they were told. By the time it reaches the user, “acid” may just mean “some active blotter.”

For me, the cleanest rule is:

If it hasn’t been tested, it isn’t LSD yet. It’s unknown blotter.

Not saying people should panic. Just that confidence should come from testing, not format, trust, taste, or someone saying “everyone else was fine.”

Curious how others here treat blotter these days. Do you assume untested tabs are unknown by default, even from a decent source? And what signs have made you suspect something sold as LSD was actually an RC?

Imo it all depending on your source.

If you buy random blotter from a stranger then be careful.
Esp if you live somewhere that doesnt have a big LSD scene.

However esp in northern Europe there is alot of good acid around.
So the chance of getting fake stuff is not that high compared to the US.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

I haven't had time to read this thread yet and my advice is no doubt outdated with all these LSD-analogs on the market now but:

What I always did even when I knew I had legit LSD-25: I never held it in my mouth. I always swallowed my hits. In addition to avoiding taking things like NBOMe's (25e the only one I ever partook in) it allowed the LSD to sneak up on you. Which is what I always preferred.

Oh course, these days I guess the old "if it's bitter it's a spitter" no longer applies. But I never had a bad time using this method up until the late 2010s. But I had a very trusted source for LSD25 in those days (RIP Rob) so I could trust my source. He would let me know straight up if something was an RC because we regularly traded RCs with each other anyway. He's actually how I ended up with the 25e nasal spray I had for awhile. Which I traded him some 5-meo-mipt for. He's also the reason why I got to try some stuff like the non-MXE dissos (none of which I preferred to MXE so I only took them maybe three times total (I forget which 3-meo he brought around at the time).

I sadly wasted the last of my LSD a few years ago by putting some 151 proof liquor in the small dropper bottle I had which contained about 4 hits of LSD left in it before the alcohol solution evaporated through the not well sealed dropper despite the fact that I triple wrapped it in plastic before storing it in a sealed pill bottle.

Anyway, instead of taking it in a social setting or at a show like I should have. I washed the bottle, got about 10-hits worth of LSD that I wasn't expecting then stupidly didn't leave the house as I took it in the middle of the night. I ended up putting on youtube on my TV and like a dummy I got lost watching videos of those hustling youtube preachers yammering on about bible quotes and stupid shit like that. Instead of doing something fun like going for a walk at night (which I love), listening to music, doing a puzzle, playing a video game or hell anything more interesting than watching that garbage on youtube.

LSD and I didn't really have a good chemistry the last 3-4 times I used it anyway. I would regularly do stuff like put on videos of old NASCAR races I attended as a child with my family (we went to A LOT of races because we followed the tour thanks to knowing many people that worked for NASCAR and NASCAR teams in the 80s-90s). I thought these would make me feel better and be a nice trip down memory lane while searching for my Dad and I being on national TV. But I just ended up doing stuff like getting all worried about the fact that "I'm wasting my life" and sad about "The company changed and I never got a chance to prove that I could make it as a pro-driver".

Instead of that crap I should have been going out into my large field behind my house. Pulling up an easy chair and sun bathing. Or hiking. Things I used to love doing on LSD before all my friends died that I used to partake with. Or I should have been putting more effort into going to shows and trying to meet women or something. But once all your buddies you used to go to shows with are dead it's hard to justify going to them alone. Even more so when it's 3-12 hour drive to make it to a decent festival/show. Since the local "rave scene" here is garbage now and I was disgusted by what I saw happening at those outdoor parties the last few times I went to them in the 2010s.

I know a lot of people LOVE LSD and I understand why. But it's just so hard on the body for those of us with chronic pain. Which is why I highly suggest turning to mushrooms if you have that problem. Since mushrooms are must easier on the body and actually help chronic pain (and pain in general) a lot.

I also know RCs and pharma drugs are very well loved around here. But in the world we live in now if you're concerned about being sold RCs I think your best bet is to learn how to garden. Since the best way to know if you're getting what you think you're getting is growing the stuff yourself. Gardening both indoors and outdoors is not hard. I assure you anyone can do it even if you think you don't have a green thumb. There are many options out there for you as well: Cannabis, mushrooms, and if you're into opioids then growing opium is always a great option and more self limiting to. Provided you're willing to make tea and monitor your intake of it. Even if you can't by the time you run out of poppies you'll be forced to go several months before you can harvest more. They grow like weeds to. Once you establish a good garden they come back year after year if you do things right. These days the hardest part of opium is ensuring you get the correct kind of seeds. You do not need a ton of land for them either and there is nothing illegal about growing them in most locations provided you don't score them. Which you shouldn't be doing anyway if you desire to make tea.

I'd love to try some of these LSD analogs to see if they have reduced body load. But I have a hard rule these days: I don't order RCs (or any drugs) online anymore. I figure if I'm destined to try a new substance I'll eventually run into someone that has it and wants to share. Again: self limiting.