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Unknown RC's: 2c-B doi dob 2cc ?? Help! Identifying or Testing Powders

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SWIM recently recovered 4 different RC's. The chemical was written on bag by someone who is unavailable now- but the ink has since worn off! How to identify what is what? Could be doi dob 2cc 2ct 2ci 2cb... the different dosage amounts between these are substantial... No one wants to mislead anyone. Perhaps drug testing laboratory? Dancesafe or some other Ecstasy testing site? Big bucks, isnt it? What about a home test kit, or would tht not be specific enough? Help please ideas?
 
do those powders have any noticeably different physical characteristics like solubility etc? if you run a few simple tests maybe you can at least work out 1 or 2 of them? or narrow it down a little... then again, dont quote me on that.
 
No 2C-B and DOB for instance both turn bright yellow / green with a marquis reagent home test. They are much too similar to distinguish like that. I take it you can't bring it to the lab for testing? Don't know if thats possible in any country outside of where I live... You are mentioning it yourself, if its available then go for it, they should be able to tell you if they have a reference.

Ecstacy data sites / Dance safe couldn't tell you a thing! Its all same looking powders, in what possible way do you think they could be of assistance? ;)

If and only if you have a very accurate (mg) scale you could make a solution of say 50 mg of each - label the solutions at least A, B, C, D, E - then you could just test a very tiny amount of one (say A), check the liquid measurement thread for info how to make a correct 1 mg / ml solution and how to accurately measure.
Start with an amount of solution that contains like 0,5 mg. then do 1,0 mg. If you still don't notice anything at all do 2,0. All of this on separate days just to be sure that you don't suddenly get an effect or anything. Go up as carefully as I say, if you arrive at like 5 mg and still nothing then it must be a 2C-X. Then skip to 10 mg then to 15 mg. Try to deduct from the effects which one it may be and otherwise just enjoy the effects not knowing which it is. Just call it 'A' and know close enough that it is a 2C-X which are quite similar in ways anyway.
If you do get an effect at 1 or 2 mg then its a DOX, same story.

In terms of harm reduction this is not ideal, but if you turn out to have no way at all to analyse what it is AND you are SURE that it is only one of those you mention, certain that its a 2C-X or a DOX then I can't think of anything going wrong as long as you don't increase the dose in too big steps. Also make sure you have the day free on every test since it could be a DOX which last a hell of a long time.
Actually titrating (as this is called) appears safer to me than doing a marquis test and judging by the color which one it is. If the colors are quite close together then you would be taking a huge risk assuming something is a 2C-X and dosing accordingly. If you are wrong and it is a DOX then you are in fucking serious trouble do you understand?

Like many people, if you cant analyse then you would still think its a waste just to throw everything away. Many people insist that there must be a way, their interest is just very big. That is why I tell you that if you really must then titrating your dose slowly and testing your reaction is possible.
If you make too big steps in the doses then the resulting reaction could very well be more than you bargained for.

Be careful and read up on the subject, like the basics of getting a scale if you dont have one, the dangers, how to make solutions (they should contain alcohol as a preservative and for solubility), etc.

If you have any doubt in your mind at any point, come back here and don't continue. You don't want to poison yourself.

Good luck. And welcome to bluelight :)
 
yeah, or get some well versed friends to help you test the dosages etc if you need it done faster, but of course using the same method as solipsis suggested. 3 friends, 4 rcs, done in no time. plus if you were testing them all at once youd figure out the low dose ones straight away basically.
 
The threshold dose (the minimum to notice something) of DOB / DOI lies around 0,5 mg. So thats right you might tell at the very first trial if you got 3 friends to help. But again: only do this if there is no possibility there are other substances among them than the ones you listed.

It's not a disaster if you don't know exactly which DOX or which 2C-X you got at a given moment. That is only important if you want to know exactly what to expect and dose normally the very first time with something.
The way you test it by titrating is the same if it were a compound no one on earth had ever tried before and you are sampling it like Shulgin. You call them A, B, C, D and E and write down the effects you and/or your friends notice. Who cares about names, if you can distinguish the effects and describe it then that is whats valuable to you to choose one of them. At least you got a ballpark.
 
If and only if you have a very accurate (mg) scale you could make a solution of say 50 mg of each - label the solutions at least A, B, C, D, E - then you could just test a very tiny amount of one (say A), check the liquid measurement thread for info how to make a correct 1 mg / ml solution and how to accurately measure.
Start with an amount of solution that contains like 0,5 mg. then do 1,0 mg. If you still don't notice anything at all do 2,0. All of this on separate days just to be sure that you don't suddenly get an effect or anything. Go up as carefully as I say, if you arrive at like 5 mg and still nothing then it must be a 2C-X. Then skip to 10 mg then to 15 mg. Try to deduct from the effects which one it may be and otherwise just enjoy the effects not knowing which it is. Just call it 'A' and know close enough that it is a 2C-X which are quite similar in ways anyway.
If you do get an effect at 1 or 2 mg then its a DOX, same story.

:)

This is the only way i can think of other than having them GC/MS tested.

Like Solipsis said, its not the best in terms of harm reduction, but i think its as close as you're going to get without having them tested.

good luck
 
I believe there are labs in the UK and other parts of Europe that do anonymous (and probably pretty pricey) testing but not sure about the US, Australia and other parts of the world. From what I gather that kinda thing is a lot less likely outside of Europe :\
 
Lab tests in Holland are actually free, except for cannabis analysis which is pricey indeed.

Honestly there is nothing more to say than either the testing story (yes ^ Shulgin-esque titration) or if that is actually possible have a lab test it.
DOX compounds are normally really not to be messed with, but if you treat an unknown sample that is either DOX or 2C-X as if it were DOX then I don't see much going wrong. So I'll say it one last time: do NOT treat a sample as a 2C-X unless you have absolutely positively deducted it must be a DOX. It is possible to get an alert from a 2C-X with pretty low doses, do not be fooled.
 
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