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Social Justice Universal Health Care Discussion Thread



The horror of the American health system

Most Americans are too stupid to realize how shitty their country is

America is 3rd world with a vineer of 18 million millionaires that makes it look good.
 
We're not quite third world, but we're on the path. This proposed new infrastructure bill looks nice though, I gotta say. I'm cautiously optimistic, it appears to address a whole lot of the problems that neglect of proper tax spending has gotten us. Not health care though, but roads, bridges, schools, ports, corporate tax havens, power grid vulnerabilities, lead pipes in water systems, full broadband internet access, etc.
 
I don't really like the vernacular of "third world". I prefer "developed vs undeveloped", of which we may be developed but at the we certainly aren't civilized
 
Xorkoth said:
We're not quite third world, but we're on the path. This proposed new infrastructure bill looks nice though, I gotta say. I'm cautiously optimistic, it appears to address a whole lot of the problems that neglect of proper tax spending has gotten us. Not health care though, but roads, bridges, schools, ports, corporate tax havens, power grid vulnerabilities, lead pipes in water systems, full broadband internet access, etc.
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Yeah, the entire infrastructure is falling apart literally. Very concerning.
 
Xorkoth said:
We're not quite third world, but we're on the path. This proposed new infrastructure bill looks nice though, I gotta say. I'm cautiously optimistic, it appears to address a whole lot of the problems that neglect of proper tax spending has gotten us. Not health care though, but roads, bridges, schools, ports, corporate tax havens, power grid vulnerabilities, lead pipes in water systems, full broadband internet access, etc.
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Frustratingly America could probably reach the point of being a third world country and a portion of its population would still insist it's the best country in the world and that everyone the world over wants to flock to it and it alone.

You can't improve yourself if you already think you're perfect. :/
 
Zephyn said:
I don't really like the vernacular of "third world". I prefer "developed vs undeveloped", of which we may be developed but at the we certainly aren't civilized
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8)8) Meh, what a first world problem. I doubt anyone really expects all vernacular to be suited to them, or maybe they do and shouldn't.




Healthcare is a problem because it's all about profit and gain for the provider. If health care costs were regulated then it would not be as expensive as it is.


A hospital bed does not cost 3000-30 000K a night at all.

Procedure costs and fees charged by doctors are ridiculous, its so sad.

Why should tax go to the pockets of greedy medicos?


Dont get sick, basically.
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
A hospital bed does not cost 3000-30 000K a night at all.
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Yeah exactly. I semi-overdosed on GHB last year, meaning I was fine, but unconscious and unable to be woken up. My girlfriend found me on the bathroom floor, called 911, thinking I might have overdosed on opiates or something. An ambulance came, and they gave me a shot of Narcan (which didn't do anything but they still recorded it as an opiate overdose and wouldn't believe me that it wasn't, dumbasses), and an IV. I got a 15 minute ambulance ride, and was at the hospital for about 2 hours. Had 2 doctors lecture me. They also did a CT scan because I couldn't remember what happened for the first hour and they wanted to see if I had brain damage. I received a bill for about $5,000, and the ambulance ride was about $1,000. I figured it was the CT scan mostly, but no, that showed up as only $90 on the bill. So almost 5 grand to spend 2 hours on a bed and get a lecture, oh and an IV and Narcan shot. Thankfully my insurance covered most of it. But it's bullshit that I got charged almost $2,500 per hour. Insanity.

For the record, I'm grateful that they were there and able to attend to me, and I bear no ill feelings towards any individuals involved. I do bear a lot of ill will towards the system though, that somehow makes emergency medical care cost absurd amounts of money. How many people avoid seeking emergency medical care, or wouldn't call an ambulance in case of a drug emergency, for fear of accruing massive debt?
 
It’s annoying how much doctors make in Australia given the greater part of the cost of their medical degree is paid for by the state and the state gaurantees a minimum payment for every service they provide.

They quite literally have a licence to print money.

There is no doubt it’s an important job and a gruelling program of study, but a good portion of med students are attracted by the status and money rather than the opportunity for a noble life of community service.
 
Atelier3 said:
It’s annoying how much doctors make in Australia given the greater part of the cost of their medical degree is paid for by the state and the state gaurantees a minimum payment for every service they provide.

They quite literally have a licence to print money.

There is no doubt it’s an important job and a gruelling program of study, but a good portion of med students are attracted by the status and money rather than the opportunity for a noble life of community service.
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And then you have the AMA. They call themselves a professional body, but we all know what they really are...

They're a trade union. And they do everything they can to isolate medical services to being provided by doctors, even when nurses or pharmacists could do it, with less cost or inconvenience to the consumer.

It's such horseshit.
 
The AMA is a power guild, but the transfer of clinical duties to physician assistants, nurse practitioners, and pharmacists is very much happening. And their duties are being transferred to medical assistants. This has a lot more to do with insurance companies and the cost of labor rather than quality of care.
 
Atelier3 said:
It’s annoying how much doctors make in Australia given the greater part of the cost of their medical degree is paid for by the state and the state gaurantees a minimum payment for every service they provide.

They quite literally have a licence to print money.

There is no doubt it’s an important job and a gruelling program of study, but a good portion of med students are attracted by the status and money rather than the opportunity for a noble life of community service.
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So you got free healthcare and now you’re bitching about the guys that provide it making a good living. Should they live the same life as the guy bagging groceries at the grocery store. It’s amazing the effort you guys will put into complaining yet not willing to actually earn stuff you want lol
 
I’m glad I live in America were you can still work hard and get ahead even though you people are determined to take away all the benefits of working hard. It’s going to be a sad day when no matter what you do you can’t get ahead because people are worried about making it ‘fair’ for people that don’t care enough to better there own situation so want to bring everyone else down
 
bmf666 said:
It’s going to be a sad day when no matter what you do you can’t get ahead because people are worried about making it ‘fair’ for people that don’t care enough to better there own situation so want to bring everyone else down
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Actually, it will be a happy day. Literally. Countries that pay doctors less relative to the average wage score much higher on indexes of happiness and quality of life. Seriously, look it up.

You're attacking people in this thread like they are asking for things that are unreasonable. You're saying that they shouldn't have things because they haven't earned them. You're missing the point entirely though. The point is that nations, as a whole are better off with universal health care, state funded education and equitable salaries. The argument made against doctors being paid so much is because the nation supported them to become doctors. It's a give and take scenario for the benefit of the nation. If there does not exist a huge financial barrier and burden in becoming a doctor, why should there be a huge financial compensation for it at the end? Better that they are compensated according to how hard they work - and they do and are. They work long hours in tough circumstances and get paid at least twice the average salary in countries like Denmark. They just don't get paid the 3x+ that is the norm some countries, like Australia.

bmf666 said:
Serious question wtf do you people do for a living?
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This is a bit rich on an anonymous forum don't you think? If we're going to be really offensive about the people we're debating, how about we use a more useful measure. What's your general mental aptitude score?
 
aemetha said:
Actually, it will be a happy day. Literally. Countries that pay doctors less relative to the average wage score much higher on indexes of happiness and quality of life. Seriously, look it up.

You're attacking people in this thread like they are asking for things that are unreasonable. You're saying that they shouldn't have things because they haven't earned them. You're missing the point entirely though. The point is that nations, as a whole are better off with universal health care, state funded education and equitable salaries. The argument made against doctors being paid so much is because the nation supported them to become doctors. It's a give and take scenario for the benefit of the nation. If there does not exist a huge financial barrier and burden in becoming a doctor, why should there be a huge financial compensation for it at the end? Better that they are compensated according to how hard they work - and they do and are. They work long hours in tough circumstances and get paid at least twice the average salary in countries like Denmark. They just don't get paid the 3x+ that is the norm some countries, like Australia.


This is a bit rich on an anonymous forum don't you think? If we're going to be really offensive about the people we're debating, how about we use a more useful measure. What's your general mental aptitude score?
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Extremely low but I’m a hard worker so it makes up for it
 
Btw if they can find a way to do it without taxing the middle class more fine but we’re already overburdened and there’s already way to many people living off benifits in this country
 
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