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Stimulants unique case of a potent stimulant FDA missed on

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asecin

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i was checking this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrovalerone and reading reviews. it says its like similar to bath salts, but not as shitty or dangerious and shockingly, FDA has put it in the mildest category ever for a stimulant therefore making it easy to acquire, what do you guys think of this??
 
It is still a NDRI. It may not be as potent as MDPV, but it sounds like a crummy drug. Side effect city, if you start using it regularly, IMO.
 
I swear I remember them trying to sell this back in the day Emphasis on trying
 
speedking, so? its better than buying garbage amphetamine powders and cocaine from the street, isnt it? i think getting this one and using it for similar effect is better choice
 
It could work, if that's your kind of stimulant. I would do everything in my power not to abuse it though. Start low and see how it goes. Just pay attention to the effects. For example, the come up, how long it lasts, the desire to re dose and the comedown. Maybe it is nice for the correct person, or like I said before, it could be a shitty side effect drug.

At the very least, try to do more research then simply Wikipedia. That link really didn't get into the drug. It simply glossed over the basics.
 
Maybe the FDA overlooked pyrovalerone, but the RC market sure as fuck didn't. (Yes I know those were derivatives and not the "parent" drug)
 
what reasons?

speedking, what other information can i get on this. google is vastly known, yes, but its too much at times to get to the right information. wikipedia does touch on the basics, seems informative enough most cases. i just wonder how long it lasts and such. i dont need stimulants fucking my ass 12 hours, no thank you
 
What do you need for fucking your ass then? :p lol just kidding
 
what reasons?

speedking, what other information can i get on this. google is vastly known, yes, but its too much at times to get to the right information. wikipedia does touch on the basics, seems informative enough most cases. i just wonder how long it lasts and such. i dont need stimulants fucking my ass 12 hours, no thank you

OP, try Pub Med and other related sites.
 
I'd consider this basic stuff discussion or news with an article.... Honestly not Od material imo. I see no harm reduction question.

Plus with more demand means less supply less supply means more cut and more usage oddly becomes least produced if not banned. Ingeniously Idiotocally ass backwords.
 
This is something that was marketed as an anorectic somewhere in Europe in the 60's-70's and dropped from the market because it sucked. As should be somewhat obvious, it's the parent drug of MDPV (MDIO-pyrovalerone.) It is not that exciting and bad effects outweigh the good.
 
I'd stay away from pyrovalerones
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27295059
The growing popularity of novel psychoactive substances (NPS) has aroused the concerns of public health specialists. The pyrovalerone derivatives are a branch of synthetic cathinones, a very popular group of psychostimulant NPS. Despite numerous case reports of fatal intoxications, little is known about the cytotoxicity of these substances. Therefore, this study was aimed to evaluate the toxic properties of pyrovalerone, its highly prevalent derivative 3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone (3,4-MDPV) with its two major metabolites (catechol-MDPV and methylcatechol-MDPV) and the structural isomer 2,3-MDPV, together with newer members of the group, i.e., α-pyrrolidinovalerothiophenone (α-PVT) and α-pyrrolidinooctanophenone (PV9), using model human cell lines for neurons (SH-SY5Y), hepatocytes (Hep G2), and upper airway epithelium (RPMI 2650). We found that the first generation pyrovalerones (pyrovalerone, 3,4-MDPV, and 2,3-MDPV) produced a modest decrease of mitochondrial activity in the three examined cell lines, but were active in lower concentrations than methamphetamine used as a reference psychostimulant compound. Since catechol-MDPV displayed greater toxic potential than the parent compound, we suggest that the toxicity of 3,4-MDPV could be attributed to activity of this metabolite. Strikingly, the two new generation pyrovalerones, α-PVT and PV9, seem to be the most potent cytotoxic compounds: both induced highly pronounced mitochondrial dysfunction; the latter also demonstrated significant damage to cell membranes. The reported in vitro toxic activity of pyrovalerone cathinones against different cell types reinforces existing concerns regarding the health risks associated with the intake of these drugs.
 
kleinerkiffer, <snip>(no sourcing)the best safest type of stimulant than. pure powder amphetamines and meth crystals are just as bad, but i need something similar that is more pill and controlled form that does work, in some immitation at least, like them and isnt that toxic. how can i get better information, wikipedia is saturated with all types of stimulants still in and most out of reach. im finding it frustrating, honestly!
 
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Ampetamines aren't too bad when they're used responsibly--at least in comparison to many of these designer drugs.

Otherwise, maybe white vein kratom?
 
kleinerkiffer, not sure how to find the best safest type of stimulant than. pure powder amphetamines and meth crystals are just as bad, but i need something similar that is more pill and controlled form that does work, in some immitation at least, like them and isnt that toxic. how can i get better information, wikipedia is saturated with all types of stimulants still in and most out of reach. im finding it frustrating, honestly!

What about modafinil ?
Imo therapeutic doses of pharmaceutical grade (meth)-amphetamine aren't as bad

For better information use NCBI, Google schoolar, Other Drugs and Neuroscience&Pharmacology Discussion :D
 
Ampetamines aren't too bad when they're used responsibly--at least in comparison to many of these designer drugs.

Otherwise, maybe white vein kratom?

ive tried bali and red vein kratom i think, not sure i tried few. i remember maeng da, which was super stimulative and drove me nuts. never heard of white vein kratom, how does it work as amphetamine??
 
OP, please utfse and look up stimulants, amphetamines, etc and you will be able to get an idea of what "may" work for you.

On top of that, besides basic hard facts, this thread cannot tell you any more.


IMO, a doctor can prescribe you an amphetamine like Dexedrine/dextroamphetamine or a drug like Ritalin/methylphenidate, to try out. That will give you an idea on which would work better.

Kleinerkiffer also brought up a great point about Modafinil, which is a wakefulness promoting agent.

You have enough information to start you on your way.

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