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Opioids unfair treatment for pain for MMT patients

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if you, like me have come out of pretty serious surgery and are in quite a lot of pain and are given tramadol, when on MMT , you might be interested in this part of an article i found... i'll definately be showing this to my doctor

Common Misconceptions

Four common misconceptions of health providers result in the undertreatment of acute pain in patients receiving OAT: 1) The maintenance opioid agonist (methadone or buprenorphine) provides analgesia; 2) use of opioids for analgesia may result in addiction relapse; 3) the additive effects of opioid analgesics and OAT may cause respiratory and central nervous system (CNS) depression; and 4) the pain complaint may be a manipulation to obtain opioid medications, or drug-seeking, because of opioid addiction.
Misconception 1: The Maintenance Opioid Agonist (Methadone or Buprenorphine) Provides Analgesia

There are pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic explanations for why patients do not receive adequate analgesia from maintenance opioids prescribed for addiction treatment. Not only do the analgesic and addiction treatment profiles of these opioids differ, but the neuroplastic changes associated with long-term opioid exposure (that is, tolerance and hyperalgesia) may effectively diminish their analgesic effectiveness (45).
Analgesic Properties of Maintenance Opioids

Patients receiving maintenance therapy with opioids for addiction treatment do not derive sustained analgesia from it. Methadone and buprenorphine, potent analgesics, have a duration of action for analgesia (4 to 8 hours) that is substantially shorter than their suppression of opioid withdrawal (24 to 48 hours) (46–50). Because most patients receiving OAT are given a dose every 24 to 48 hours, the period of even partial pain relief with these medications is small.
Opioid Tolerance

Tolerance is one factor that explains why these patients derive little pain relief from maintenance opioids. Tolerance, the need for increasing doses of a medication to achieve its initial effects, develops with continuous opioid use but differentially affects specific opioid properties. For example, tolerance readily develops to the respiratory and CNS depressive effects of opioids but not to their constipating effects (51, 52). Analgesic tolerance develops for different medications within the opioid class, a phenomenon called cross-tolerance (53, 54). Doverty and colleagues (55) found that patients receiving maintenance methadone therapy were cross-tolerant to the analgesic effects of morphine and that pain relief, when obtained, did not last as long as expected. Therefore, cross-tolerance between the opioids used for maintenance therapy and other opioids used for analgesia may explain why patients receiving OAT often require higher and more frequent doses of opioid analgesics to achieve adequate pain control.
Opioid-Induced Hyperalgesia

An alternative explanation for the lack of analgesia derived from maintenance opioids may be the presence of opioid-induced hyperalgesia. This is the result of neuro-plastic changes in pain perception that yield an increase in pain sensitivity. The outcome is that opioids have less potent analgesic effects (45, 56–58). Empirical evidence supports increased sensitivity to experimental pain in patients receiving OAT (33, 38, 55, 59–62), such that patients receiving maintenance methadone therapy tolerate cold-pressor pain only half as long as do matched controls (55, 59). Accumulating evidence suggests that maintenance with buprenorphine therapy has similar and statistically significant effects on pain tolerance, although to a lesser degree than methadone (63). The pain intolerance of patients receiving methadone and buprenorphine maintenance therapy can be conceptualized as a latent hyperalgesia secondary to long-term opioid exposure.

The presence of hyperalgesia with ongoing opioid use has resulted in reexamination of the previously described phenomenon of opioid analgesic tolerance. Both hyperalgesia and opioid tolerance involve neuroplastic changes associated with excitatory amino acid (N-methyl-D-aspartate) and opioid receptors (64–70). The hyperalgesic processes precipitated by opioid administration serve to counteract opioid analgesia (56, 71–73); thus, it is possible that what seems to be opioid analgesic tolerance may in fact be an expression of an opioid-induced increased sensitivity to pain.

Therefore, despite the benefits of OAT for the opioid-dependent person, the accompanying hyperalgesia (or analgesic tolerance) counteracts the analgesic effects of opioids and complicates pain management. At clinically effective doses for the treatment of opioid dependence, patients do not experience analgesia to experimental pain but demonstrate the hyperalgesic effects of OAT. Thus, from a theoretical and experimental basis, it is clear that the perception of pain is not decreased in OAT patients.
Misconception 2: Use of Opioids for Analgesia May Result in Addiction Relapse

A common concern of physicians is that the use of opioids for analgesia in patients receiving OAT May result in relapse to active drug use. However, there is no evidence that exposure to opioid analgesics in the presence of acute pain increases rates of relapse in such patients. A small retrospective study (74) of patients enrolled in maintenance methadone programs who received opioid analgesics after surgery did not find a difference in relapse indicators compared with matched patients receiving maintenance methadone therapy. Similarly, no evidence of relapse was seen in 6 patients receiving methadone maintenance therapy who were treated with opioid analgesics for cancer-related pain (75). In fact, relapse prevention theories would suggest that the stress associated with unrelieved pain is more likely to be a trigger for relapse than adequate analgesia. In a study by Karasz and colleagues (76), patients receiving methadone maintenance therapy stated that pain played a substantial role in their initiating and continuing drug use.
Misconception 3: The Additive Effects of Opioid Analgesics and OAT May Cause Respiratory and CNS Depression

Physicians’ concerns that opioid analgesics will cause severe respiratory or CNS depression in patients receiving OAT is a theoretical risk, which has never been clinically demonstrated. As previously noted, tolerance to the respiratory and CNS depressant effects of opioids occurs rapidly and reliably (50–52). Similarly, patients with worsening cancer-related pain who require dose escalations typically do not exhibit respiratory and CNS depressant effects when additional opioids are administered (75, 77–79). It has been suggested that acute pain serves as a natural antagonist to opioid-associated respiratory and CNS depression (15, 43). This purported effect is supported by the observation that a patient with chronic pain who was treated with opioids developed signs of respiratory depression after a successful nerve block procedure (80). Therefore, the concern about severe drug toxicity with analgesic opioid treatment is not supported by clinical or empirical experience.
Misconception 4: Reporting Pain May Be a Manipulation To Obtain Opioid Medications, or Drug-Seeking, because of Opioid Addiction

Physicians’ concerns about being manipulated by drug-seeking patients is substantial, difficult to quantify, and emotion-laden. It is a powerful motive underlying physicians’ reservations about prescribing opioid analgesia for acute pain to patients receiving OAT for opioid dependence. Pain is always subjective, making assessment of its presence and severity difficult. A careful clinical assessment for objective evidence of pain will decrease the chance of being manipulated by a drug-seeking patient and will support the use of opioid analgesics in patients with a history of opioid dependence. Reports of acute pain with objective findings are less likely to be manipulative gestures than are reports of chronic pain with vague presentations. Furthermore, patients receiving OAT typically receive treatment doses that block most euphoric effects of coadministered opioids, theoretically decreasing the likelihood of opioid analgesic abuse (81, 82).

Not uncommonly, patients dependent on opioids are perceived by health care providers to be demanding when hospitalized with acute pain. This scenario develops in part because of the patients’ distrust of the medical community, concern about being stigmatized, and fears that their pain will be undertreated or that their OAT may be altered or discontinued (76, 83). Patient anxiety related to these concerns, which can be profound and well-founded, can complicate provision of adequate pain relief.

Requests for opioid analgesia from patients receiving OAT may be labeled as drug-seeking behaviors, which are defined as concerted efforts on the part of the patient to obtain opioid medication, including engaging in illegal activities (44). It is important to keep in mind that there may be appropriate reasons for a patient to seek medication. The distinction between appropriate drug-seeking and addiction is harder to discern when the patient requests a drug with known abuse potential, such as opioid analgesics, regardless of the apparent validity of the complaint. In the case of unrelieved pain, drug-seeking behaviors arise when a patient cannot obtain tolerable relief with the prescribed dose of analgesic and seeks alternate sources or increased doses, a phenomenon referred to as pseudoaddiction (84). Alternately, patients receiving good pain relief may exhibit drug-seeking behaviors because they fear not only the reemergence of pain but perhaps also the emergence of withdrawal symptoms. Rather than indicating addictive disease, such behaviors, termed therapeutic dependence (85), are actually efforts to maintain a tolerable level of comfort. Other patients with adequate pain control may continue to report persistent severe pain to prevent reduction in current effective doses of opioid analgesics, a behavior termed pseudo-opioid resistance (86).


Conclusion

Addiction elicits neurophysiologic, behavioral, and social responses that worsen the pain experience and complicate provision of adequate analgesia. These complexities are heightened for patients with opioid dependency who are receiving OAT, for whom the neural responses of tolerance or hyperalgesia may alter the pain experience. As a consequence, opioid analgesics are less effective; higher doses administered at shortened intervals are required. Opioid agonist therapy provides little, if any, analgesia for acute pain. Fears that opioid analgesia will cause addiction relapse or respiratory and CNS depression are unfounded. Furthermore, clinicians should not allow concerns about being manipulated to cloud good clinical assessment or judgment about the patient’s need for pain medications. Reassurance regarding uninterrupted OAT and aggressive pain management will mitigate anxiety and facilitate successful treatment of pain in patients receiving OAT.

source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1892816/
 
This was excellent phatass, a very interesting read. I'm on MMT as well, being a fairly new patient (~3 months), I feel I haven't had to deal with any of these bigger life problems that might come my way while going through this process. I'm a cleft lip and palate patient and although 95% of my biological deformities have been corrected at this stage in my life, it seems there are always new problems that must be addressed. Usually these problems are addressed through surgery. Having surgery done frequently on my mouth, face, and nose produces a lot of chronic and acute pain problems for me.

I guess my question is, with everything that you've said here, is there anyway to get around these common misconceptions and get treated adequately for your pain while you're on MMT? Or is it pretty much just a lost cause? Anyway, thanks again for the post, was very concise.
 
Great article, phatass, if only more doctors thought like that and if only a small handful of rx-abusing addicts weren't giving the rest of them a bad name....

I guess my question is, with everything that you've said here, is there anyway to get around these common misconceptions and get treated adequately for your pain while you're on MMT?

Unfortunately, all doctors have taken the Hippocratic oath, so how do you expect them to prescribe opiates to addicts who might possibly abuse them and fatally overdose? That would not fall under "do no harm." However, you can also look at the other angle of the Hippocratic oath, and argue that them not treating pain properly is harmful in and of itself. Unfortunately, most doctors just care about keeping their licenses and careers, and I don't blame them, to be honest.
 
Yep, most doctors either believe that if you're on methadone it should be alleviating your pain, or that you are just pretending to be in pain in order to get drugs. In my experience showing studies like this to doctors that are dead-set in their beliefs about MMT doesn't help to change their minds, but I might show it to my doctor anyway, he is relatively easy-going and might be interested.

I have received terrible treatment from various medical professionals due to my being on MMT. Especially in the ER. It's really unfortunate and this prevailing attitude towards MMT patients actually drives some people away from seeking out treatment for their addictions because they don't want to be recorded as a drug addict and have all doctors never again prescribe them anything other than an anti-biotic. It's so ridiculous because most illicit opiate users are self-medicating for pain, depression and/or anxiety in the first place and long-term opioid use makes us more sensitive to pain.
 
Given all of this information, would it be more prudent to not tell doctors in the ER that you are on MMT? I know honestly is always the best policy with doctors, and being sober now, I respect this stance more than ever, but I don't want to suffer. Would it be better to at least walk out of the ER with a few hydrocodone 5's than nothing?
 
Given all of this information, would it be more prudent to not tell doctors in the ER that you are on MMT? I know honestly is always the best policy with doctors, and being sober now, I respect this stance more than ever, but I don't want to suffer. Would it be better to at least walk out of the ER with a few hydrocodone 5's than nothing?
while i am an incorrigible malingerer and manipulator of doctors, i've found that disclosing MMT has gotten me more pain meds than anything - just so long as you put it in the context of low-cost pain management/iatrogenic addiction. most ER docs have been totally sympathetic and willing to give an IM bolus of morphine or dilaudid, along with a take-home of hydro/oxy with APAP 10/whatever
 
I've heard it stand for both METHADONE MAINTENANCE THERAPY as well as MEDICATION MAINTENANCE THERAPY. I believe the first is the correct one though.

Also this should be kinda obvious....Despite all of that being true, what doctor in their right mind wants to give a bunch of super powerful opioids to an opiate addict? Comeon now thats just common sense...Yes your pain wont be adequately controlled, but considering we addicts cannot control our usage anyway, I will not argue it being better/worse one way or the other.

I would also ALWAYS tell an ER doctor that your on methadone. While they might underdose you as a result, they will definitely under dose you if they dont realize your on a super powerful opiate...

I think complaining about take homes received from a doc and receiving adequate anesthesia are two different things, and this should be realized. You should also realize your never going to get the "fun doggie bags" again from the docs/ER, but they will DEFINITELY put you under adequately, addict or not.

Im pretty sure its common for pain to be under treated, I can only imagine for us addicts it is much less. I have severe nerve pain now from something called TMJ syndrome in my head. They wont give me lyrica, let alone opiates. To be expected; i just gotta deal.
 
Given all of this information, would it be more prudent to not tell doctors in the ER that you are on MMT? I know honestly is always the best policy with doctors, and being sober now, I respect this stance more than ever, but I don't want to suffer. Would it be better to at least walk out of the ER with a few hydrocodone 5's than nothing?

i've found that disclosing MMT has gotten me more pain meds than anything

Despite all of that being true, what doctor in their right mind wants to give a bunch of super powerful opioids to an opiate addict? Comeon now thats just common sense...Yes your pain wont be adequately controlled, but considering we addicts cannot control our usage anyway, I will not argue it being better/worse one way or the other.

I would also ALWAYS tell an ER doctor that your on methadone. While they might underdose you as a result, they will definitely under dose you if they dont realize your on a super powerful opiate...

Yes it is always important to tell doctors you are on methadone for a number of reasons. Especially if, for example, you are in an accident and don't have any methadone with you and will go into withdrawals if you don't get some opioids into your system. However, unless you are in that situation, I strongly disagree that being on methadone will mean the doctor will give you more pain meds. This has not been my experience at all.

I think it is unfair that it is assumed that just because someone has had a drug addiction in the past that they have absolutely no control over their usage of any medication. And someone who isn't on methadone or hasn't confessed to having an addiction could just as easily abuse their meds. I was addicted to heroin but I have never misused any legally prescribed medication, (aside from once taking 30mg codeine that I had been prescribed for pain in an attempt to slightly help with methadone withdrawals - I was still in pain, but the WDs were the real reason for taking it, so that's why I mention it in the interest of full disclosure). Of course not everyone is that way, and it depends on a lot of factors, but it is unfair to assume that anyone who is on methadone (or has ever been on methadone or addicted to any drug) can never be trusted with anything stronger than an ibuprofen, even when they are in serious legit pain. Besides, if that was their genuine worry they could easily control the person's access to the meds by not giving them huge take-home quantities etc.

I think an even bigger issue is that so many doctors think that we are lying about being in pain or that the methadone should be relieving the pain itself (which for long-term MMT patients it certainly does not).

I've also noticed that some ER doctors tend to have a hate-on for drug addicts, it's like they think we deserve to be punished. For example, I was in a serious car accident and the ER doctor spent a lot of time interrogating me about whether I had used heroin recently, searching my body for track marks, asking me if I was high at the time of the accident, and threatening to tell my family I was a junkie and on methadone (I am 30 years old and my family has known for a long time) - and I was not even the driver (so it's not like he was worried I could have been at fault in the accident because I was on drugs or something). Another time a doctor said "this is nothing compared to the shit you've done to yourself", basically implying that I had no right to complain about pain and injuries because I was a former IV drug user.

In my experience telling a doctor I am on methadone has always gotten me zero pain killers. The only exception being some dentists, they tend to be a little less strict about pain killers and benzos IME.
 
Theyre all opiates. You may control your usage of opanas for a day with a script, but if youre a recovering heroin addict on methadone, getting prescribed a bottle of OPIATES is akin to putting a loaded shotgun in your mouth.

I guess that is just my opinion though. But you were addicted to an OPIATE, not JUST heroin.
 
Theyre all opiates. You may control your usage of opanas for a day with a script, but if youre a recovering heroin addict on methadone, getting prescribed a bottle of OPIATES is akin to putting a loaded shotgun in your mouth.

I guess that is just my opinion though. But you were addicted to an OPIATE, not JUST heroin.

You may not want to believe this, but not for me. I have never had an addiction to any other opiate/opioid aside from IV heroin. I don't think it's true that anyone who has had a problem with one is guaranteed to have have addictive behaviours with them all, especially when given for pain. I have never misused any other opioids or had any addictive behaviours surrounding them. Even methadone, it's a physical dependence for me, not an addiction. I take it no differently than a non-addicted pain patient takes their meds, as a conscious choice to alleviate the pain of withdrawals. I take less methadone than prescribed and I feel fully in control of my use. With pain meds it's even easier - for example a few months ago I broke my arm and was given hydrocodone, and I barely took any of it, I still have most of the prescription left and have no desire to touch it. And I have issues with chronic pain that are not being successfully treated.

An addiction is defined when someone has impaired control over their use of the drug, is preoccupied with the drug and continues to use it despite negative consequences.

Of course, as I said, I recognize that not everyone is like me. And I have had a lot of time clean from heroin and working on the reasons behind my heroin use. But it is unfair to assume that any MMT patient can't take pain meds and that someone who is not on MMT will be fine with pain meds and never abuse them. And as I said, if the worry was just that the person was going to abuse their pain meds the doctor could easily restrict their access to the medication.
 
And when was the last time you had a bottle of roxis/opanas to prove this point? Methadone is one thing, you cannot get subjectively "more high" by taking more. With those other drugs you can.

I will wager 99/100 times an addict given a narcotic will relapse. There are plenty of actual statistics behind it as well that i'm sure your mdone clinic could give you. Just because you got away with taking vicodin once properly doesn't mean if someone tossed you a bottle of roxis you'd be able to do the same. And I have a lotta respect for you Swim, you know that, so to hear you saying that many addicts could successfully use narcotics...

An opiate is an opiate. Addiction is addiction. Hence why people switch from heroin to other opiates when they are sick. You're right, you CAN be addicted to one and not the other, heroin and oxy lets say, it is POSSIBLE. I will made a (not so bold) claim and say that is very rare for a recovering heroin addict to be able to use narcotics in any reasonable/responsible manner, and if you ARE able to, you are most likely the exception that proves the rule. (ie everyone BUT you, since i know not 1 addict personally who can properly dose a narcotic)

I guess the only way to prove this would be to go buy 30 roxis and see how long you can hold on to them to prove your point lol.

FURTHERMORE: someone who takes opiates for pain is different from an addict. While the two can overlap, someone who takes them as prescribed every day will experience tolerance, and possibly, but not necessarily, mental addiction. Meaning the brain structure of these 2 groups of people is fundamentally different, and I feel biases the conclusions when you lump normal CPPs with heroin and drug addicts.

Yes people can use opiates normally as prescribed. Yes some "addicts" can, in theory, particularly the ones not addicted to opiates. Do I think any heroin addict could ever control usage of a hardcore narcotic? Absolutely not, and until i see other first person evidence to that, that will be my position.

Maybe thats just my peronal viewx, but if we took a poll here on BL of recovering heroin addicts and asked how many can control their usage of narcotic medications (prescribed or not) I would wager quite a large sum that the #s favor my position.
 
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It's not really something that is provable one way or the other. There are no statistics available on the number of people who were on MMT and were administered narcotic analgesics for pain who were able to take them responsibly or without becoming addicted. And I don't think you're going to budge even an inch on your position regardless of what I say, but just to clarify a few things:

You seem to be going back and forth between saying it's impossible for any methadone patient or former opioid addict to use any opioids responsibly, or saying at least when it comes to stronger opioids, or the vast vast vast majority of people. I am saying it is possible, I never said everyone can do it, or even "many" or "most". I think it really depends on the person, what their addiction or "drug of choice" was, the state of their mental health, how much time they've had clean, which meds they are given/prescribed for the pain, etc. And of course I am talking about using prescribed meds for legit pain, I don't think most people could use opioids recreationally after they've been addicted. I am just saying that a doctor giving someone who has had an opioid addiction narcotic pain meds when they are in pain is not the same as giving them "a loaded gun", and does not guarantee that they will abuse the meds. Especially if the doctor doesn't just send them home with a big bottle of Roxis and instead decides which meds would be most suited to the situation and carefully controls their access to the meds.

I don't think that people who post on Bluelight are an accurate sample of all former drug users, so I don't think that would "prove" anything.

As for myself, I just mentioned the hydrocodone as one recent example, I was not saying that is the only time I have ever received narcotics and not abused them or had addictive behaviours surrounding them. I have done the same thing with methadone, hydromorphone, codeine, benzodiazepines, etc - all drugs that as a methadone patient you seem to think, and most doctors have been told, that I should never be allowed to have under any circumstances. I could get "high" off methadone if I wanted to as I only currently take 5mg. The fact that I don't have any addictive behaviours with methadone and choose not to abuse it has nothing to do with whether or not I could. I have had 1500mgs of methadone in my pocket and had no problem at all. I personally just really have no lack of control over or cravings for anything other than heroin (not that I currently use it, haven't used it in years). I have had access to hydromorphone a number of times and choose not to use it. I even once had a friend give me some hydromorphone as a "gift" (yes she was a weird friend and she is sadly no longer with us) and I didn't even touch it, I eventually gave it back to her. I've had a very large prescription of codeine for pain and only took 30mgs of it (which of course did nothing). I know benzos are not opioids but MMT patients are generally not allowed to have them out of fears of addiction, and I have been prescribed those with no issues at all as well.

As I have already said a number of times I am not implying that most people are the same as me, I may be unusual, and I'm definitely not saying that all doctors should just have no caution at all when it comes to someone who is a confirmed addict/former addict and freely dole out huge quantities of the strongest opioids any time the person has a minor pain. I think that doctors should be cautious (and I also think that they should even with people who aren't on methadone), I just don't think it is right or humane to completely refuse analgesics (and other meds) to someone who needs them solely because that person takes methadone.

Plenty of people who are not on MMT abuse meds, even meds they are legally prescibed for pain. I'm just saying that being on methadone in and of itself does not guarantee someone will abuse any pain meds, and that not being on methadone does not prove that they won't.
 
also an important point in my personal opinion is that a huge amount of heroin and strong opiate pain pill addicts started with a legal prescription for pain, and because they were not MMT patients, they got the oxy, the morphine, the oxy/hydromorphone the "strong stuff", having no history of drug abuse.... well now many of these people are big time addicts, because they got a taste of the "good stuff" i don't know the statistics, but i think that is an important factor... if you've been in a car crash and are on oxy 80 twice a day for months or years, even when there is no longer pain, many will claim they are still in pain because they will have got addicted... and they weren't MMT patients....

mmt patients may present a higher risk, but doctors are dishing out oxy etc. like candy to non MMT patients for relatively minor pain without thinking twice about it.... oh well, they will just be thee next generation of MMT patients eventually
 
if you've been in a car crash and are on oxy 80 twice a day for months or years, even when there is no longer pain, many will claim they are still in pain because they will have got addicted... and they weren't MMT patients....

mmt patients may present a higher risk, but doctors are dishing out oxy etc. like candy to non MMT patients for relatively minor pain without thinking twice about it.... oh well, they will just be thee next generation of MMT patients eventually


This sensation of extreme pain you are referring to, after an injury is healed, is known as Hyperalgesia and I suffered from it for awhile after my first Spinal Fusion surgery. What happens is that the very powerful opioids (not vicodin, tramadol or even low dose oxy like percocet) start to rewire your pain sensations and because the brain is used to the flood of neurotransmitters from the pain pills, it sends a message to the brain that basically says to your brain you are still in pain. It can literally make you feel agonizing pain where an injury is relatively healed. Once I was detoxed last summer, I found my pain to go from a 7 on meds to a 4-5 daily without any narcotics whatsoever.

Adding to the confusion with methadone is that it is a highly effective pain reliever, especially patients like me that also have a neuropathic disease as well. I take 60mg of methadone a day, split up somewhat, but nontheless a seemingly pretty high dose. My PM doc is careful to rotate my IR meds and muscle relaxers but keeps the methadone in place and I must say it is quite effective. Not producing the 'high' an addict like me might desire, but a highly effective treatment nonetheless.
 
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