Underage... Gay

[NicksDad]

A moderator, ForEverAfter started a thread back on August 9, 2012 regarding underaged girls. In particular, 15 year old girls. I will quote the moderator because much of what he says stands true here. For the purpose of not having to write it out each time, even though they are completely different in nature, I am treating the word "gay" to mean those who are also "bisexual" or "pansexual".

I don't want to offend anyone. People tend to get upset about this sort of thing.

Before you get all outraged, listen to what I have to say.

I want to fuck fifteen year old girls. Naturally, I am wired to want to fuck them. Society says there's a moral issue. Girls under the age of sixteen are not, legally speaking, mature enough. Take Polanski, for example. I really don't see the issue. Some people are quick to judge him. But really. A consensual act between two physically mature individuals, who is to say that's wrong? Why is it more acceptable for a fifteen year old boy to fuck a fifteen year old girl?

I *want to* fuck fifteen year old boys. Naturally, since I'm gay and always have been I am *wired* to want to fuck them. Society says there's a moral issue. Boys under the age of *eighteen in this country* are not, legally speaking, mature enough. Most recently, a 35-year-old Houston man named Jason Gandy, a massage therapist has been arrested for prostituting a fifteen year old boy out to his clients. This is an extreme example by all means because I would never "prostitute" Nick, but he has "expressed interests" in other older men. While some are quick to judge, obviously, who says that's wrong? Why is it more acceptable for a fifteen year old boy to fuck another fifteen year old?

I pose that question and more. The law states that they, the government can prosecute an individual for a crime of murder when the murderer was twelve years old, stating under fact that the child should be "treated as an adult" because of this heinous crime. Why then can't they also "treat certain individuals, minors who are under the age of eighteen" accused of having sex with an adult the same way? Obviously, MURDER is a much more heinous crime then giving some guy a blowjob, or, and yes this happens all the time folks so don't get squeamish, for fucking each other?

When I went through puberty, and even before then I was sucking cock and loving every second of it. I, not just "it" would have loved the opportunity to have sex with an older man. I lost my virginity to a boy named Jeff who was thirteen and two years my senior. I'm sure many young boys feel and experience the same, even about older men. <Thanks ForEverAfter because I used some of your wording here.

I see schoolgirls on the street and I feel ashamed for wanting to fuck them. But, really, what man doesn't? We pretend like we don't. We say it's disgusting. We demonize those willing to admit the attraction. But it's there.

I see schoolboys, sometimes I see them in Speedos but I, on the other hand do not feel ashamed for wanting to fuck them. And really, what gay man does? Some may pretend like they do. Others, in particular straight people say it's disgusting and wrong, and demonize those willing to admit the attraction. But it's there. <Thanks ForEverAfter because I used some of your wording here.

Every guy wants to fuck a sixteen year old schoolgirl. I've asked guys. They admit it. Then I ask them, "Do you want to fuck a fifteen year old?" and they get all weird. Because that's wrong. If a girl is less than 5844 days old, then we pretend we don't want to fuck her. Some guys admit they'd fuck a fifteen year old. If so, I keep going. I ask them, "Would you fuck a fourteen year old?" and they get all weird. Few are capable of saying aloud, under any circumstances, that it would be okay to fuck a fourteen year old girl. But sixteen is definitely okay. And fifteen, maybe. It's not even a question of how developed they are or how mature. The age is more important. Because that's the stigma. That's the law. And, look, I'm not saying there shouldn't be laws about this sort of thing. Although, I don't think there should. My point is, the repression. The lies. It's unhealthy.

I'm pretty sure that most people are the same. Sure, there are differences in sexuality and stuff like that but for the most part they're the same. The older will always covet the younger because, for many reasons but more specifically the younger are more fit, pretty and usually naive. This will always be the case and there's no changing it.

When I'm in a gay bar - not like the ones you are probably picturing in *some of your tiny minds* because not all gay bars are filled with guys dressed in leather or "queens" trolling to get laid. There are gay bars or bars and restaurants that cater mostly to gay individuals where gay men or lesbians can go to relax and just get a beer or a glass of wine. Anyhow, when I'm having a beer with my friends after work, while watching highlights from the latest football/basketball/baseball/hockey game, the question of "being too young" rarely comes up. Why, because in the gay community these ponderisms are treated differently. When a guy says something like, "Man, you should've seen this hot little twink that walked into the [athletic] club today... fuck! What a set of abs he had on him.... and man, that ass! Fuck!"

Somewhere in the conversation it's brought up that the kid was probably thirteen, fourteen or fifteen years old but none of us, not a single one will ever admit to "that" being "unspeakable" or "weird" or even "wrong" because we all know that we had those same desires when we were young. So the question I'm asking here is, if we had those urges back in the day then why are they supposed to change?? There's not a gay man out there who hasn't asked himself the same question. I completely understand ForEverAfter's quandaries in this area because even I wouldn't mind tapping some of those hot little sluts who walk around in those tight fucking jeans, whose waistbands are an inch or two above their coochies, or wear those short little skirts where those tight round asses are clearly visible. Of course I'm looking at their asses and not much of anything else for that matter, but still.

Just for the record, I have had a three straight and sexual relationships. I have many friends that are female and even some that joke around with me about the size of my dick. But there was a reason in particular that all three of my "straight" relationships (not at the same time) wanted to be with me. All three wanted to prove to themselves that they could get a gay man into bed and make him cum. I think that's kind of funny because I've never had a problem fucking girls... but there's always something missing... can you guess what it is.

When they see how endowed I am then usually a girl will say something like, "No fucking way man!" It tends to hurt, and I'm not even that big. I mean, I've seen some big dicks that'll make anyone's eyes tear up. Sure, nine inches isn't HUGE but it usually makes most girls/boys think twice, especially while trying to negotiate that thing up their respective assholes. But some really get off on it - very few but they're out there. And please, don't count pornstars when making those distinctions.

ForEverAfter is definitely onto something very valid. There are way too many double standards out there for sex vs crime vs other more heinous things. ForEverAfter is right that it’s a stigma. And PLEEEASE don't give me that same old bullshit about "the mind is still developing at the age of thirteen/fourteen/fifteen" because the mind is always learning, developing and transitioning. It's in need of stimulation, of something to make it worth living. If it wasn't then why are you reading this? Why are you experimenting with drugs? Why are you interested in sex or violence or love or politics or... etc etc etc?

Lastly, look at the "age of consent" laws around the world. South America has it just about right, in particular Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Brazil

In Brazil, the age of consent is 14, regardless of gender and/or sexual orientation, with a judicial precedent showing that a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 12 and 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are 5 years older or less is legal, although not legally formalized.[3] The age at which there are no restrictions for sexual activities is 18.

Sex with minors below the age of 14, at least for all those older than 18,[3] is equivalent to statutory rape and is legally defined by Article 217-A of the Brazilian Penal Code (see text here in Portuguese) as the "rape of a vulnerable person", with a penalty of 8 to 15 years in prison.[4]

The prostitution of minors (all ages under '18') is punished by law and is prosecuted by the State, according to the Code of Minors (Article 244-A), as well as according to the Penal Code, Articles 218-B, 227, 230, 231 and 231-A. The law makes no distinctions between sexual orientation cases.

In any case, only individuals aged 18 or older can be legally charged, since this is the Brazilian age of criminal responsibility according to the Federal Constitution, Article 228.

What do you think? In particular, what do gay men and women think? I'm also interested in what straight men and women think, and even what the "young adults" have to say on this subject.

 

[badandwicked]

I suppose even though some youngsters are cool with it, some are vulnerable to manipulation by older people and therefore a blanket law is in place in an attempt to protect all young people. Just easier that way and as a straight female I'm grateful for the protection I assume it offered me. Plenty of time for sex once they reach the age of consent, the rest of their lives in fact.

I don't have kids yet but I imagine if i knew a group of grown men were making comments like that about my 13 year old sons ass I would be livid and my desire to protect him from any sexual advances would be very strong. Maybe ignorance is bliss.

Who's Nick? What did you mean about how you would never prostitute him even though he expressed interest in older men?

I'm not sure how long this thread will last considering the other one went.

 

[Edvard Munch]

My view-point is very simple and naturalistic in that nature trumps law. The time for sex, for 98% of our humans history, has been when the child goes through adolescence. The safest period from a biological stand-point to be pregnant is immediately after adolescence, 14-17 years of age, and I'm quoting several legit sources who have something factual to say about prenatal health. Because society now considers it taboo is irrelevant given the atrocious state of what is considered law and should be dis-respected when meriting to plain evidence of ourselves. Your bodies functions and cravings is the biological dictate by which has been for thousands of years.

 

[Giog]

My view-point is very simple and naturalistic in that nature trumps law. The time for sex, for 98% of our humans history, has been when the child goes through adolescence. The safest period from a biological stand-point to be pregnant is immediately after adolescence, 14-17 years of age, and I'm quoting several legit sources who have something factual to say about prenatal health. Because society now considers it taboo is irrelevant given the atrocious state of what is considered law and should be dis-respected when meriting to plain evidence of ourselves. Your bodies functions and cravings is the biological dictate by which has been for thousands of years.

Although your argument is flawed for a few different reasons I have to agree with the first half of what you wrote. Actually, I agree with everything except for your last sentence. Either way, once girls have gone through puberty, I say game on! If there is fluff on the muff, she is definitely old enough!

 

[footscrazy]

The safest period from a biological stand-point to be pregnant is immediately after adolescence, 14-17 years of age, and I'm quoting several legit sources who have something factual to say about prenatal health.

What are the sources? I'm not directly disagreeing with this but I find it hard to believe, especially with fistulas causing upto one in ten maternal deaths worldwide, and often incredible suffering for the women who survive. One of the primary risk factors for this is 'early' pregnancy - pregnancy which takes place before the body has finished growing and developing, and is thus less able to accomodate the baby passing through the birth canal.

 

[Busty St Clare]

Our society has evolved past fertility being the only requirement to raising children. Today you need financial stability, the ability to own a car (not essential but a hell of a lot easier on the school run), the ability to interact with other adults.... etc. Raising children does not stop once you have pushed the kid out. You only have to look at the disadvantages children of teenage mothers experience to realise it isn't in any one's best interests for 13-17 yr olds to fall pregnant. There may have been an evolutionary advantage when the life expectancy was under 30, but not now when our society has eveolved to living into our 80's.

As for gay sex, once again it comes back to a balance of power and while every 15 yr old I have met swears to me they are mature and responsible enough to have meaningful relationship, I have never actual met one who isn't an idiot. The worrying thing is most 15 yr old boys are even less mature than their female counterparts.

 

[Cyc]

I'm hesitant to put too much time into this, because I'm afraid a very angry Lysis is going to lock this the moment she sees it.. but to sum up my thoughts on this, it doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong, it doesn't matter if it's normative, and it doesn't matter whether age of consent is culturally idiosyncratic or based not at all on biology - at least not in our current sexual climate.

What matters is that a lot of people have a very instant and very negative emotional reaction to this topic, and this attitude is viral enough to fuck the minds up of some kids who experience sex too early, or with the wrong person.

So put aside logic and reason, because in the end that's what it boils down to.

 

[-=SS=-]

Plenty of time for sex once they reach the age of consent, the rest of their lives in fact.

+1 Seriously what is the rush to throw away your innocence? You're only a child once and you have decades of time to have all kinds of sex! Whilst teens might have a sex drive not all are capable of understanding it or unfolding it correctly, the last thing they need is some older bozo who just wants to get his jollys off. That one experience could scar them for years.

 

[polymath]

In Sweden the legal age of consent is 15, and here in Finland (where I live) it's 16. In practice, most parents here wouldn't like it if their teenage children were having sex with some adult in his/her 30s or 40s, though...

Then again, even having sex with farm animals has been legal here since 1971, lol... :D

 

[Noodle]

This thread will not be closed arbitrarily.

I suggest those not willing to engage in a more nuanced and civil discussion just move along.

 

[llama112]

Yep, this thread will only be closed if it gets out of hand. If everyone stays on topic, it should be fine.

It's hard to say exactly when it's "OK" to have sex with someone else. Some people are too immature, but some are still too immature when they are older. I personally find younger people unattractive and I couldn't imagine wanting to have sex with someone who is underage. There is just something about the immaturity ... and many times their bodies haven't matured yet either.
It is hard for the law to draw a line at what is OK and what's not. What is the law supposed to do? If there isn't a law about it, then an 80 year old could have sex with a 5 year old. That is not right. Unfortunately, rules aren't made by maturity because we can't judge that. Yeah, some 16 year olds are mature enough for sex. But many aren't.

 

[pofacedhoe]

A moderator, ForEverAfter started a thread back on August 9, 2012 regarding underaged girls. In particular, 15 year old girls. I will quote the moderator because much of what he says stands true here. For the purpose of not having to write it out each time, even though they are completely different in nature, I am treating the word "gay" to mean those who are also "bisexual" or "pansexual".



I *want to* fuck fifteen year old boys. Naturally, since I'm gay and always have been I am *wired* to want to fuck them. Society says there's a moral issue. Boys under the age of *eighteen in this country* are not, legally speaking, mature enough. Most recently, a 35-year-old Houston man named Jason Gandy, a massage therapist has been arrested for prostituting a fifteen year old boy out to his clients. This is an extreme example by all means because I would never "prostitute" Nick, but he has "expressed interests" in other older men. While some are quick to judge, obviously, who says that's wrong? Why is it more acceptable for a fifteen year old boy to fuck another fifteen year old?

I pose that question and more. The law states that they, the government can prosecute an individual for a crime of murder when the murderer was twelve years old, stating under fact that the child should be "treated as an adult" because of this heinous crime. Why then can't they also "treat certain individuals, minors who are under the age of eighteen" accused of having sex with an adult the same way? Obviously, MURDER is a much more heinous crime then giving some guy a blowjob, or, and yes this happens all the time folks so don't get squeamish, for fucking each other?

When I went through puberty, and even before then I was sucking cock and loving every second of it. I, not just "it" would have loved the opportunity to have sex with an older man. I lost my virginity to a boy named Jeff who was thirteen and two years my senior. I'm sure many young boys feel and experience the same, even about older men. <Thanks ForEverAfter because I used some of your wording here.



I see schoolboys, sometimes I see them in Speedos but I, on the other hand do not feel ashamed for wanting to fuck them. And really, what gay man does? Some may pretend like they do. Others, in particular straight people say it's disgusting and wrong, and demonize those willing to admit the attraction. But it's there. <Thanks ForEverAfter because I used some of your wording here.



I'm pretty sure that most people are the same. Sure, there are differences in sexuality and stuff like that but for the most part they're the same. The older will always covet the younger because, for many reasons but more specifically the younger are more fit, pretty and usually naive. This will always be the case and there's no changing it.

When I'm in a gay bar - not like the ones you are probably picturing in *some of your tiny minds* because not all gay bars are filled with guys dressed in leather or "queens" trolling to get laid. There are gay bars or bars and restaurants that cater mostly to gay individuals where gay men or lesbians can go to relax and just get a beer or a glass of wine. Anyhow, when I'm having a beer with my friends after work, while watching highlights from the latest football/basketball/baseball/hockey game, the question of "being too young" rarely comes up. Why, because in the gay community these ponderisms are treated differently. When a guy says something like, "Man, you should've seen this hot little twink that walked into the [athletic] club today... fuck! What a set of abs he had on him.... and man, that ass! Fuck!"

Somewhere in the conversation it's brought up that the kid was probably thirteen, fourteen or fifteen years old but none of us, not a single one will ever admit to "that" being "unspeakable" or "weird" or even "wrong" because we all know that we had those same desires when we were young. So the question I'm asking here is, if we had those urges back in the day then why are they supposed to change?? There's not a gay man out there who hasn't asked himself the same question. I completely understand ForEverAfter's quandaries in this area because even I wouldn't mind tapping some of those hot little sluts who walk around in those tight fucking jeans, whose waistbands are an inch or two above their coochies, or wear those short little skirts where those tight round asses are clearly visible. Of course I'm looking at their asses and not much of anything else for that matter, but still.

Just for the record, I have had a three straight and sexual relationships. I have many friends that are female and even some that joke around with me about the size of my dick. But there was a reason in particular that all three of my "straight" relationships (not at the same time) wanted to be with me. All three wanted to prove to themselves that they could get a gay man into bed and make him cum. I think that's kind of funny because I've never had a problem fucking girls... but there's always something missing... can you guess what it is.

When they see how endowed I am then usually a girl will say something like, "No fucking way man!" It tends to hurt, and I'm not even that big. I mean, I've seen some big dicks that'll make anyone's eyes tear up. Sure, nine inches isn't HUGE but it usually makes most girls/boys think twice, especially while trying to negotiate that thing up their respective assholes. But some really get off on it - very few but they're out there. And please, don't count pornstars when making those distinctions.

ForEverAfter is definitely onto something very valid. There are way too many double standards out there for sex vs crime vs other more heinous things. ForEverAfter is right that it’s a stigma. And PLEEEASE don't give me that same old bullshit about "the mind is still developing at the age of thirteen/fourteen/fifteen" because the mind is always learning, developing and transitioning. It's in need of stimulation, of something to make it worth living. If it wasn't then why are you reading this? Why are you experimenting with drugs? Why are you interested in sex or violence or love or politics or... etc etc etc?

Lastly, look at the "age of consent" laws around the world. South America has it just about right, in particular Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_South_America#Brazil

What do you think? In particular, what do gay men and women think? I'm also interested in what straight men and women think, and even what the "young adults" have to say on this subject.

i think brazil has is right based upon my formative sexual experiences

 

[NicksDad]

llama112; Moderator, Sex, Love & Relationships:

Yep, this thread will only be closed if it gets out of hand. If everyone stays on topic, it should be fine.

It's hard to say exactly when it's "OK" to have sex with someone else. Some people are too immature, but some are still too immature when they are older. I personally find younger people unattractive and I couldn't imagine wanting to have sex with someone who is underage. There is just something about the immaturity ... and many times their bodies haven't matured yet either.
It is hard for the law to draw a line at what is OK and what's not. What is the law supposed to do? If there isn't a law about it, then an 80 year old could have sex with a 5 year old. That is not right. Unfortunately, rules aren't made by maturity because we can't judge that. Yeah, some 16 year olds are mature enough for sex. But many aren't.

Thanks for all the replies by everyone. I appreciate the responses. However, most of them responded to heterosexual sex between a male and female. This is controversial and I assume the reasoning is because of the procreation aspect and the health of the young girl afterwards. However, that's not and never was the focus. This thread is about "gay" or homosexual sex, not heterosexual. Please try to keep on this topic as llama112 has suggested.

cheerio; Senior Moderator; Sex Love and Relationships:

This thread will not be closed arbitrarily.
I suggest those not willing to engage in a more nuanced and civil discussion just move along.

Thank you. If you don't have something to say, something that this moderator seems to grasp as the true nature of the original thread, and other important aspects such as "[civility]" then please do as the mod suggests and move along.

I don't mean to anger anyone, but again this has nothing to do with heterosexual behavior. I was hoping for someone to come to the plate and give us an example of what, in his experience happened to him during his life that led him to discover his sexuality. At the very least there has to be people out there with views on homosexuality that aren't derogatory in nature.

Again, I appreciate the responses and thanks to everyone for staying civil.

Ray

 

[pofacedhoe]

Our society has evolved past fertility being the only requirement to raising children. Today you need financial stability, the ability to own a car (not essential but a hell of a lot easier on the school run), the ability to interact with other adults.... etc. Raising children does not stop once you have pushed the kid out. You only have to look at the disadvantages children of teenage mothers experience to realise it isn't in any one's best interests for 13-17 yr olds to fall pregnant. There may have been an evolutionary advantage when the life expectancy was under 30, but not now when our society has eveolved to living into our 80's.

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[Thou]

My view-point is very simple and naturalistic in that nature trumps law. The time for sex, for 98% of our humans history, has been when the child goes through adolescence. The safest period from a biological stand-point to be pregnant is immediately after adolescence, 14-17 years of age, and I'm quoting several legit sources who have something factual to say about prenatal health. Because society now considers it taboo is irrelevant given the atrocious state of what is considered law and should be dis-respected when meriting to plain evidence of ourselves. Your bodies functions and cravings is the biological dictate by which has been for thousands of years.

I agree with this pretty much spot on, even though I seldom give the matter much thought by deliberately lacking physical drive for sex at 27 years of age. This is partly due to spiritual means I've been pursueing that I've found far more rewarding from a physiological standpoint, and psychically healthy from an energy standpoint.

I do however object to misuse or manipulation of children who are without consent or who are deviously misled or coerced into such behavior unconditionally, but lack the interest to really get into the logistics of how these terms should precisely be defined or established as it's subject to variables based on each particular exchange. I've got more important things to ponder atm.

Also I prefer older women, anyway.

 

[NicksDad]

I suppose even though some youngsters are cool with it, some are vulnerable to manipulation by older people and therefore a blanket law is in place in an attempt to protect all young people. Just easier that way and as a straight female I'm grateful for the protection I assume it offered me. Plenty of time for sex once they reach the age of consent, the rest of their lives in fact.

I don't have kids yet but I imagine if i knew a group of grown men were making comments like that about my 13 year old sons ass I would be livid and my desire to protect him from any sexual advances would be very strong. Maybe ignorance is bliss.

Who's Nick? What did you mean about how you would never prostitute him even though he expressed interest in older men?

I'm not sure how long this thread will last considering the other one went.

Nick is my step son. His mother passed shortly after I adopted him, and coincidentally shortly after his mother and I became involved. Yes, I am gay, probably bisexual, because I do have sexual attractions towards some women but I lean more towards being gay then anything else. But for the sake of Nick, his mother and I decided it was best to let him make his own choice on sexuality. There's no question this is the best way because tainting Nick with our experiences was definitely wrong.

 

[badandwicked]

But for the sake of Nick, his mother and I decided it was best to let him make his own choice on sexuality.

well quite

 

[NicksDad]

well quite

Excuse me? "Well quite?" Please explain... "quite" You understand that this word means: "fairly", or "moderately", or "somewhat"???

 

[NicksDad]

For those of you who haven't bothered to read the "introductions" as set forth by the moderators of this forum as a "good place to start" then maybe you should read mine before commenting on this thread. I do have a step son who is now a young teenager and who believes he's bisexual. He has a girlfriend named Brooke who is extremely attractive but is very naive. She's also a year older then him. Nick has boyfriends and relationships where he "practices" with both genders.

I will keep this very tactful: I have a friend who has two teenage children, a boy and a girl. The boy is sixteen and the girl is eighteen. Some years back my friend called me to help him locate his fourteen year old son. Apparently he snuck out to party with his friends. It was late at night so we called the cops and reported the boy missing and went out searching for hours. During our search my friend was contacted by the police to come and pickup his boy. He was found by the police, in a motel with other young boys around his age (14, 15, 16 years old) and doing what some may call "unspeakable things". However, all that the law wanted to know was who got them the room because in the states you need to be at least 18 y/o to get a motel/hotel room. For the most part that's all they really did besides notify the parents of the children they found. I will not get into the particulars because it isn't worthy of the conversation. However, what is worthy is who was at the motel party. They were all boys, no girls and they were all "involved" with one another.

Another slight but notable instance was something that happened to my older sister. She called me one morning and asked me what the word "train" meant and I asked her in what reference. She told me that [her fifteen year old daughter] had told her the previous night, "a lot my friends at school go to train parties and I just don't think I wanna do that sort of thing". My sister had no clue what her daughter was talking about. I did a search on Google "teen train party" and sure enough that's exactly what I figured it was. So I told my sister to enroll her daughter in a different school... immediately! I then explained what the term meant and pointed her to a few links where she could read for herself. She pulled her daughter, literally yanked her out of school that day.

As for the comments I see on here about young teens not being "ready" for sex, I really believe that most of you need to [pull your heads out of the sand] and see what's really going on out there. I remember being that age and doing crazy things but I never went to train parties, gang bangs or had sex with more then two other people at any given time. If three-ways were going on back when I was a young teenager then one would naturally assume that they are still going on to this day, and then some. My three-ways were with older males, all male and all gay. Apparently my friend's younger son was doing something similar but a lot more then just 3-ways with his boy friends. My niece was obviously talking about gang bangs and we're in a very large, very well known city. Therefore, I suspect that these "things" are going on right under our noses and most of the responses I read from my original post seem to be assumptions in nature. They're either assumptions or feelings, and while I asked for your feelings on the subject I was hoping that someone else had "real world" experiences and possibly some solutions. You don't have to get down to the nitty gritty, and for the sake of whomever might be reading this that's not registered then PLEASE DON'T. You can be polite and tactful.

I hope I don't need to remind everyone that this is a forum that deals with illegalities... so this is a proper venue for this sort of topic. If it wasn't then why did they put a topic on the board that specifically regards "Sex, Love and Relationships"? Sure, taking drugs and having sex is one form of that situation but there are many forms. This is a direct and pertinent discussion on "Sex, Love and Relationships" with regards to drugs and homosexuality. It just so happens to also regard another "illegal activity". If this can not be discussed here then please tell me where it can be discussed without fear of persecution or prosecution.

Thanks for your time and considerations.

Ray

 

[badandwicked]

Excuse me? "Well quite?" Please explain... "quite" You understand that this word means: "fairly", or "moderately", or "somewhat"???

I just thought it was odd to state that you decided to let a teen make his own choice on his sexuality. I thought that went without saying.