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uncrushable Oxycontin

are you serious? if you do that, it won't gel up when one snorts them? like, I could do this with a Teva and snort it just fine?
 
No offense, but it seems as tho nobody here knows what they're talking about. Next to the ABG's, the G 164's are by far my favorite generic. They crush up into a 100% fine powder (No chuncks like the TEVA ones) which you can snort just like the regular OC's. I just snorted half a G 164 (u hafta take the red shit off of course) and i'm EXACTLY as high as if I snorted a brand name OC 40. Don't tell him to parachute them, that's a huge waste of OC!
 
nky859 said:
Thanks for all the replys. I guess im going to just shoot the things up. hahahah
not reaaly just going to parachute.... thanks for info
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Why ask questions if youre not going to listen to the answers.

Dont shoot these up if you dont have the materials/skill to filter them properly.

Its nothing like prepping a brand name OC or heroin for IV. You need a lot more. Dont do it unless you want to fuck your body up.

EDIT - sorry, i just realized you were joking. my apologies. Im not going to erase what I said though because it is important for people who dont already know to read that.
 
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this thread has spun off topic in the most interesting of ways.

haribo1 said:
The patent I posted was the morphine to hydromorphone patent. You can run it through a translation software. I can't post it here, but it IS all over the net in English
The oxycodone->cinnamyl ester isn't a patent, it's in chemical abstracts in English.
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Thank you for the chemistry/german history lesson. This guy is not full of shit people. However it is hard to believe its that easy?

please continue if you have more to share about this cinnamyl ester nonsense.....
 
pokergooch said:
Im no chemist, but, I believe that codeine is an alkaloid, just like morphine is. Thebaine is what they make oxy and buph out of. oxycodone can be made into oxymorphone, and hydrocodone (which is a product of codeine, I think) can be made into hydromorphone. I dont think that you can make morphine out of oxycodone since the "magic" is Thebaine. I believe that the only wat to get morphine is out of a morphine based drug. Hydrocodone, Oxycodone are semi-synthetic whereas codeine and morphine are 100 percent natural. I may be wrong. but I think im close..


PG
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I never said you could. You can make hydrocodone from codeine. You can hydromorphone from morphine (both easily). The oxycodone cinnamyl ester is something I would make from oxycodone. Yes, you CAN make oxycodone from codeine, but the yields are pitiful. I think 30% is about the max and it's a bitch seperating out the product from the side-products. If you have dihydrocodeine, dihydromorphine is easy but codeine->morphine is a pain in the arse. That 7-8 double-bond means that in hot,acidic conditions, the stuff undergoes the apomorphine rearrangement and turns your product to crap.
 
haribo1 said:
I never said you could. You can make hydrocodone from codeine. You can hydromorphone from morphine (both easily). The oxycodone cinnamyl ester is something I would make from oxycodone. Yes, you CAN make oxycodone from codeine, but the yields are pitiful. I think 30% is about the max and it's a bitch seperating out the product from the side-products. If you have dihydrocodeine, dihydromorphine is easy but codeine->morphine is a pain in the arse. That 7-8 double-bond means that in hot,acidic conditions, the stuff undergoes the apomorphine rearrangement and turns your product to crap.
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Like I said, Im no way even close to being a chemist, but, the little I do know is that the pre-curser for oxycodone is Thebaine. Thebaine is an alkaloid just like morphine is. The only thing I can think of is that they put a little morphine in oxycodone, ect. Ill ask my pharmacist later next week. So, since buphenerine is made out of TheBaine, can you get morphine out of it as well? Ive always thought that morphine is a true opioid alkaloid, just like codeine. There are about 15 or so alkaloids too. Unless they actually put morphine in oxycodone, I just dont see how you can get morphine out of it. I dont want to sound negative, because most likely you are correct. Im always interested in learning this stuff...

Also, I thought hydromorphone was a derivitive of hydrocodone. Im totally guessing at this, but since oxycodone can become oxymorphone, ive always assumed that it was the same for hydrocodone and hydromorphone..

PG
 
I tried the id ea to put the G 164 in the micro and for about 30 or so sec. After I scraped the outside off. Then I used a scraper that you would put around a pipe (u know what I'm talking about) and worked great then with the pieces that were to big pushed to the sides and smashed even more, which seened like the stuff you want out of the pill. SNORTED it and worked great. I think Im going to find a way to bang them and I think this will work for that. Thanks guys for your help. A+++
 
You don't need to scrape the outside off. Just take a moist Q-Tip and the red coloring rubs right off without dissolving ANY of the actual pill. It takes like 2 minutes to wipe clean a G 164 with moist Q-Tips. Use a paper towel or the dry end of the Q-Tip to dry the pill as it gets a bit slimy while the "coating" comes right off. You scrape brand name OCs and ABGs, you wipe 93 33s and G 164s. Don't crush em with the red coating on em, it's a pain to deal with IMO.
 
If you're dealing with pills that gel up and you plan to take them orally go with the patented spicybrown(tm) method. Put them in an acidic substance for roughly 4-6 hours to recreate the environment of the stomach, then the time release will be broken. Swallow and enjoy.

On the other hand, If you want to IV or snort, that's a little more complicated, but with oxy you might as well just take it orally.
 
I just did G164 and wiped the coating off with a paper towel next time I will do it with a q-tip because it didi get a little slimy then I put it in the microwave for 3o seconds and the scraped it to powder and pulled the bigger chunks to the side to crush up even more. Then I snorted it and it didn't gel up at all just made sure i snorted it really hard to get it up there. It worked awesome. so all you people that say you can't snort them you are wrong just would make sure your nose is dry before you do it . if anyone has any ideas on how to mainline them without it gelling up please let me know. with out doing all the scientific method. peace out. Great generic pils by the way
 
very good generics, never done generic oxys before but this are well worth it.ee
 
i'm just curious i been takin oxys a while n shit.. but always chew them now if i chewed an 80 and it takes 30 min to set in or 40 w/e say if isnorte ionno a 40mg how fast does it set in and is it as strong as chewin the 80?
 
it sets in within 10 minutes completley and i dont know. it depends on how well you chew the 80. the snorted 40 will be completely crushed so more of it will be in IR form so you very well may get higher off of a snorted 40 than a chewed 80. but the 80 will definatly last longer.
 
yeah i got the 40mg darva OC's... they are horrible. i mean i tried to crush it up like a regular yellow ABG 40mg OC, and it is like 50% regular powder and 50% uncrushable chunks, that if you try to chop just shoots off the desk/surface area.

i also got an Rx for my Ritalin, but the pharmacy was out of the regular 20mg SR's, so i got Methylin E.R. and its the same shit, with the uncrushable little chunks, makes insuffilation really not an option, even after using a mortor, ugh.
 
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^ do you realize that you said "I" and "SWIM" in the same thought? If, for whatever stupid reason, you use the word SWIM, dont use the word I, too.
 
Ive had these before (quite often) and if they do pretty fine for me. The best way to do them is to shave them with a pipe clamp. Makes a small pile of snow almost. Feels so goooooood goin up your tooter. not as good as purdu or ABG but they are still good.

However, there are two other types of 80's that are almost absolutely un snortable (as in, even if you can powder them, you dont get high when you snort.) They are the big round purple-ish grey and the semi-diamond shaped blue ones. impossible to shave.
 
Go to your local gas station, buy a pack of hose clamps,open and run alont the sharp end. This will gring it perfectly into a powder.
 
haribo1 said:
Have you got access to chemical abstracts? The 14-cinnamyl ester is discussed under 'Esters of the 14-hydroxy morphones.' It comes as a PDF so I can't Email/post it & I'm not typing in a 18 page document! Try examining the moleculein 3D, overlaying the etorphine skeleton. Oh, difficult to make the 14-cinnamyl of oxymorphone because the 3 position needs protecting/deprotecting.
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You supposedly know all this about chemistry but, you can't email a PDF file??

The actual document pullout written by the invetors of oxycontin, Purdue-Pharma, says that when oxycontin is taken with a high-fat meal, 35% more oxycodone is discovered in the bloodstream.

You can Google search for this document also.
 
does anyone have any info or experiences with microwaving G163's or 164's, or any of the OC's that gel up?

If so, you heat it up for 30 seconds, take out wipe off the coating and crush and it will be like a regular ABG or brand name one, powdery-wise ?
 
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