Misc Ultrasonic humidifier and alcohol, or other cheap method?

[spyro11]

I dont really know if this belongs here, but because of people being pussies and not talking about the subject of vaporizing alcohol cuz its dangerous online, I figured Id ask here, as I lurk for info on stuff and it seemed a good site to ask.

I am a fan of other stuff, but not really alcohol because they dont like consuming large amounts of food or liquid, plus SWIM prefers the instantanious, more controllable buzz offered by other substances, and views the vaporization of alcohol as a far better, ultimately cheaper method of consumption. they are of legal age, if that matters, and would dose extremely small to start and move up slowly (starting with like maybe 5-10 ml of liquid? it doesnt pass the liver so BAC should rise much more quickly).

anyway, nebulizers work, but idt they can just be bought locally without a script (not sure on that?) and ebay isnt an option for my buddy at this point. Hes been looking for dry ice suppliers as well, since thats a known safe method, but there are none within probably 80 miles of them. they live in a poor area in the middle of nowhere where almost nobody aside from commercial industry on a very small scale would use it. Fog machines are too pricey as well :/

so pretty much they want a cheap, effective way of doing this.

will an ultrasonic humidifier (not a hot steam one) work? Ive heard this burns the lungs anyway even though there is no heat, or is that just a side effect of the liquor? because I have one, and they're cheap.

fog in a bottle with ice, hot water, and a little bit of the creature added in? or is that sketchy?

I imagine there has to be a way to fog-ify it and make it breathable pretty simply without solid carbon dioxide available or redistilling it. if its a matter of it getting cold enough there must be a way, or some alternate way to excite the molecules. or is it a mixture of the CO2 getting released when the alcohol touches it and, in fact, vaporizes the dry ice in that method? I dont fully understand the chemistry related to this topic so im not really sure...

any ideas people?

 

[tricomb]

We don't use SWIM here. Please read the OD guidelines and BLUA, links found in my signature.

Putting alcohol in a fog machine sounds like a terrible idea, what if it catches fire?

 

[spyro11]

outdoors or in a ventilated area.

plus I would not use a fog machine. I dont really need to use SWIM cuz its not really illegal haha. besides, one could easily modify whatever device was being used to not only vaporize but capture the vapor. and that step could be tested with just water as a safety precaution.

if nobodys really going to end up giving me info im just going to keep trying to find dry ice (maybe ride down to the city one day when I have some cash) or just read up on some chemistry at the library. Ive been known to endanger myself with bucket chemistry more complicated than this, so the idea really doesnt scare me that much... Making extracts with alcohol is even more dangerous man, without proper venting you will have an incendiary incident in your kitchen, since theres a heating element DIRECTLY UNDER the alcohol being turned to steam, but with proper precaution, such experiments are safe to replicate in the home, and I dont see cold water vapor being any more volatile than hot alcohol vapor boiled off on a stove.

my main question, also, was if an ultrasonic humidifier, which excites the molecules using sound waves/vibration would work as well as the other methods. the fog machine method, dry ice, and nebulizer methods have been done by people since probably the 80s or 90s and def do work, despite risks (fog machine seems stupid because of raw quantity)

 

[tricomb]

The reason you don't use SWIM is because it's against forum guidelines.

I'm definitely not the one to ask about alcoholism but FYI you don't ever boil hot alcohol on a stove with open flame....

Cold water vapor is not flammable, alcohol is.

 

[spyro11]

you use an electric heating element i know, but it can still spark without proper ventilation. all I was trying to get at was i understand the necessity of good venting and avoiding a spark. Im sorry I didnt read the guidelines, but I certainly have a bit of an idea what im getting into here. one would want to use an electric heating element (not open flame) and double boiler to evaporate an alcohol solution that has some other chemical extracted into it as a solvent, at which point the resin of whatever it is can usually be accumulated off the bottom and sides should whatever is being released not go with the alcohol (for legal purposes, one could claim use of tobacco or some other legal herb, even though for many a cold water extraction is plenty good enough and way safer, however, in some illegal processes which other people use to create hashish oil (not myself mind you, it wouldnt be cost effective since I have no raw material to process from, and would in fact, lose large quantities of that stuff if I had it to make small ones, albeit more potent).


so again, I apologize for the lack of concern regarding forum rules - but this is entirely legal anyway, albeit stupid, so I dont see it mattering. plus im not an alcoholic, I can barely make myself want to get drunk, and this would at least allow for me to do such a thing in a way that would make it more easy for me to properly abuse a bit rather than have one or two single drinks over the course of several hours. substance abuse problem here? most likely, but alcohol abuse in and of itself, not really. Im notorius for opening a single beer in a night and stopping drinking it halfway through and wasting it - my thinking is why bother with such unpleasantness, when if I want the buzz a little I can just work my way from a 3rd of a shot or less, wait 20 minutes to an hour for full effect, wait further before ingesting more regardless of buzz level til its completely washed from my system, then add a bit more next time if the dose wasnt good, and never take more than a single active dose in a day, or actually, rather, one or two every couple months or more.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Why not get an AWOL - Alcohol Without Liquid - machine? They are made especially for this purpose. They are about $200. Or you can buy a hand-held vaporizer for about $65 if you own/have access to an air compressor.


I think that would be a lot safer than trying to build one yourself (and not any more expensive).

 

[sekio]

Alcohol is not commonly vapourised because it's incredibly easy to ignite a cloud of alcohol vapour in air. 95% ethanol will burn if exposed to a spark and the surrounding temperatures are 16 deg C or warmer.

Also, it's a mucous memrane irritant. If you think alcohol burns your throat when drinking it, imagine what it's gonna feel like inhaling it.

There's one good reason you don't put alcohol in an ultrasonic humidifier, whether or not it will end up as a flaming pyre is the major concern. Ethanol is volatile at rooom temperature so it will evaporate freely on tis own, any device you add will simply maker it disappear faster. Even a spray bottle is an effective volatiliser for etoh.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Alcohol is not commonly vapourised because it's incredibly easy to ignite a cloud of alcohol vapour in air. 95% ethanol will burn if exposed to a spark and the surrounding temperatures are 16 deg C or warmer.

Also, it's a mucous memrane irritant. If you think alcohol burns your throat when drinking it, imagine what it's gonna feel like inhaling it.

There's one good reason you don't put alcohol in an ultrasonic humidifier, whether or not it will end up as a flaming pyre is the major concern. Ethanol is volatile at rooom temperature so it will evaporate freely on tis own, any device you add will simply maker it disappear faster. Even a spray bottle is an effective volatiliser for etoh.

The way the AWOL system apparently works is by passing oxygen bubbles through the alcohol, which absorb it, resulting in a vapor of alcohol, which then goes into a tube for inhalation through the mouth. Sounds a lot safer than something that uses heat or just releases the vapor into the air. Of all the articles I've read on these machines none claimed it was a fire hazard, the main things people are worried about is that it makes it easier or "more fun" to abuse alcohol and that there have not been enough tests done on the effects of inhaling alcohol. The makers claim it results in a fast buzz and no hangover, although I did read one blog post where someone claimed it didn't give a fast buzz at all (although it was unclear if they had actually even tried it).

I'm not sure if a spray bottle would make fine enough droplets to easily/properly inhale, I guess maybe it depends on the spray bottle.

 

[sekio]

Any ingestion of sufficient amounts of ethanol will reult in a hangover, no question about it.

I think the major issue, like with inhaled caffeine, is going to be lung/mucous membrane irritation.