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I have the Extreme Q. It's ok I suppose. But the bag system is really crap compared to the Volcano so really it's just a whip vaporizer. And a pretty mediocre one at that, the place where the weed goes is just too far from the heating element for efficient extraction IMO. The only way I've been satisfied is using it kind of like a lighter for my bong... weed in the bowl and then holding the Q on top and inhaling. It does have one really good feature though; the auto shut off timer. Not just because of safety reasons but also because of the "wtf I've been sitting here vaping for an hour, time to do something else" feature. :D And it has worked for some years now with periods of very heavy use without any problems so that's another good thing. Costs around £140-£150.
The Baker seems to be getting a lot of praise online and is only £120. Can be used with a whip or bong (like, actually designed for bong use) and it can even do dabs. It's what I'd go for if I was in the market for a vaporizer right now. But I don't have any personal experience with one so I shall refrain from actually recommending it.
The Baker seems to be getting a lot of praise online and is only £120. Can be used with a whip or bong (like, actually designed for bong use) and it can even do dabs. It's what I'd go for if I was in the market for a vaporizer right now. But I don't have any personal experience with one so I shall refrain from actually recommending it.
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations 421,
No it's NOT but this depends on who's using it, naturally.
My suggestion would be to look closer, especially inside... Anyone who can accomplish this job correctly will find that ALL Arizer products presently available happen to exhibit the very same flawed designer choices (if not dogma!): symbiotic air/venting/cannabic paths all mix together, which means for some reason it was decided to enforce the idea that it's OKay to insist over keeping intimate aerial contact with the electronics and associated hardware...
What's the most mediocre feature with all Arizer vaporizers, table and portable, is how it hurst one's sense of serenity thinking it forces the owner to suck on a timed-bomb that Arizer says may never explode. While proper (read separate!) containment of the air masses would be all that is required to offer some real yet simple and solid garanty, but it seems this is about designer religion i guess. About that disgusting symbiotic relashionship with inert matter i mean... Unless seeking the "ROBO-FART" effect, which evokes a memorable episode.
M'yeah!![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
And i almost forgot to say how satisfactory it feels to enthousiast users. So who'd challenge that?! 8)
But the layout inside, euh... Beurk!
So i'll try a striking image for the benefit of those who lack sufficient visualisation skills. Brace yourselves...
Well, it's like serving a fine 3-chocolate cake on used toilet paper. Know what i mean?
Euh...
More precisely it's all brown but that's OKay as long as that's OKay. Lets just suppose customers got no smell receptors, which is how it becomes possible to expect of them that they'll trust it's safe to take chances as long as they don't confuse the brown tones, since they don't have a nose for it!
Great business opportunity awaits, euh...
Ah and a timer for safety reasons... Ah! Ah! That alone made my day. Thank you for the humour touch.
How does one know it's not slowly releasing toxic waste in imperceptible yet steady amounts? Even with intermittance...
At least i didn't so i stripped all vaporist accessories out of the box and gave my Arizer table unit as a potpourri warmer - which was it's initial function judging by the physical convective tower layout.
As far as i'm concerned the only way to get peace of mind is to erect a sealing barrier between the lungs path and the crap part. Short of that i wouldn't even consider it as candidate for a purchase. But that's me.
There are people who value trust, some who don't. Those who feel like giving an Arizer artificial respiratory assistance have more trust to waste than i'll ever find in any case.
Sorry, i realize that's a non-answer to the initial poster but Arizer ain't no good option for anyone who's on a Harm Reduction forum IMHO!
Good day, have fun!!
No it's NOT but this depends on who's using it, naturally.
My suggestion would be to look closer, especially inside... Anyone who can accomplish this job correctly will find that ALL Arizer products presently available happen to exhibit the very same flawed designer choices (if not dogma!): symbiotic air/venting/cannabic paths all mix together, which means for some reason it was decided to enforce the idea that it's OKay to insist over keeping intimate aerial contact with the electronics and associated hardware...
What's the most mediocre feature with all Arizer vaporizers, table and portable, is how it hurst one's sense of serenity thinking it forces the owner to suck on a timed-bomb that Arizer says may never explode. While proper (read separate!) containment of the air masses would be all that is required to offer some real yet simple and solid garanty, but it seems this is about designer religion i guess. About that disgusting symbiotic relashionship with inert matter i mean... Unless seeking the "ROBO-FART" effect, which evokes a memorable episode.
M'yeah!
And i almost forgot to say how satisfactory it feels to enthousiast users. So who'd challenge that?! 8)
But the layout inside, euh... Beurk!
So i'll try a striking image for the benefit of those who lack sufficient visualisation skills. Brace yourselves...
Well, it's like serving a fine 3-chocolate cake on used toilet paper. Know what i mean?
Euh...
More precisely it's all brown but that's OKay as long as that's OKay. Lets just suppose customers got no smell receptors, which is how it becomes possible to expect of them that they'll trust it's safe to take chances as long as they don't confuse the brown tones, since they don't have a nose for it!
Great business opportunity awaits, euh...
Ah and a timer for safety reasons... Ah! Ah! That alone made my day. Thank you for the humour touch.
How does one know it's not slowly releasing toxic waste in imperceptible yet steady amounts? Even with intermittance...
At least i didn't so i stripped all vaporist accessories out of the box and gave my Arizer table unit as a potpourri warmer - which was it's initial function judging by the physical convective tower layout.
As far as i'm concerned the only way to get peace of mind is to erect a sealing barrier between the lungs path and the crap part. Short of that i wouldn't even consider it as candidate for a purchase. But that's me.
There are people who value trust, some who don't. Those who feel like giving an Arizer artificial respiratory assistance have more trust to waste than i'll ever find in any case.
Sorry, i realize that's a non-answer to the initial poster but Arizer ain't no good option for anyone who's on a Harm Reduction forum IMHO!
Good day, have fun!!
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That's a fair point but somewhat overstated. After all we breathe in all kinds of nasty poisons every time we go outside, well inside too. I'm not too worried about imperceptible "toxic waste" from a vaporizer. In fact I'm sitting next to a computer that's pushing air that I will end up breathing past electronics as I type. But sure, an all glass vapor pathway or something like that would be nice.
Also remembered there's actually a UK-made vaporizer called Wychwood Vape but I think they've been out of business for a while.
Also remembered there's actually a UK-made vaporizer called Wychwood Vape but I think they've been out of business for a while.
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Hi again 421,
Yes i may sound too severe, perhaps almost like it was voiced from a purist/elitist perspective although i didn't actually hesitate for long when i wanted to use PVC, teflon and plastic in my butane-operated pipe...
That particular product wouldn't be among those i'd feel confident enough to recommend anyway as this is how the manufacturer himself described it in its early days:
This is the traditional "Log" type apparently, with a power resistor serving the purpose of a heater element.
The lack of information tells me i'd just want to pass, but please feel free to show me something i should have seen if it could correct that perception!
M'well, ain't UK at the heart of the Commonwealth by the way?...
I mean that's where the Chief of The Commonwealth resides after all, and i may be wrong again but it seemed to me there may be a connection to make between that and the anti-cannabic prohibition treaties Canada started to sign since the thirties, if i'm not mistaking.
But i'm an old fool out of his time... Maybe UK is a great place where to conceive killer vapes, Who nose?!
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Yes i may sound too severe, perhaps almost like it was voiced from a purist/elitist perspective although i didn't actually hesitate for long when i wanted to use PVC, teflon and plastic in my butane-operated pipe...
That particular product wouldn't be among those i'd feel confident enough to recommend anyway as this is how the manufacturer himself described it in its early days:
This is the traditional "Log" type apparently, with a power resistor serving the purpose of a heater element.
The lack of information tells me i'd just want to pass, but please feel free to show me something i should have seen if it could correct that perception!
M'well, ain't UK at the heart of the Commonwealth by the way?...
I mean that's where the Chief of The Commonwealth resides after all, and i may be wrong again but it seemed to me there may be a connection to make between that and the anti-cannabic prohibition treaties Canada started to sign since the thirties, if i'm not mistaking.
But i'm an old fool out of his time... Maybe UK is a great place where to conceive killer vapes, Who nose?!
...
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Hi once more 421,
Sorry if it comes as a shock, i know it was one for me after i asked specifically about the paths and the only reply i got from a reseller i thought i could trust proved to be a blatant lie... So actually i share the feeling of being lied to if this can be of any comfort to you.
Hummm... Thanks a bunch Arizer for redefining the definition of "Fresh-Air" in our behalf, for our own good!...
8)
But there's fiction vs reality...
Sure, here's the beast's guts:
The computer fan inside the upper hood generates negative pressure under the Arizer's casing. No attempt was made to put an air-tight barrier between the electronic components located right under and the so-called "Fresh-Air" inlet (on the contrary!) which the fan will pump into your cannabic bowl in bag mode; while whip mode ain't much different except significant additional lung effort is required - and quite a fair amount at that, because it becomes necessary to pre-heat 1st in a passive & mainly convective vaporizer setup...
So, the Q's "inlet" in located under and air enters its base at the center like this:
Arizer would argue the circuit board won't heat up sufficiently to release toxic gasses. Wow! What a relief, euh... Though i've never seen a satisfying explanation as to why excatly a customer should want his air and that of the machine to be intimately blended together in such bizare manner. Why was it necessary in the mind of a designer with diplomas to force every single customer to ventilate a circuit board through (in and out) his own lungs, not to mention that speaking of vacuum i seem to recognize something familiar enough when i use mine - the vacuum cleaner i mean...
At least it appears the new Vapir Rise has an HEPA filter and probably some foam around (inside)...
I can only guess why!
But this still just fails to convince me i should acquire such junk and depend on it for my serenity! No thanks and that's even less appropriate here, simply because if a manufacturer doesn't care for health-oriented customers seeking "medication" (e.g. peace of mind at a high co$t) then i certainly shouldn't neither and i'll suggest those not worried yet should begin asking questions.
Ah and remember, i regret having to state that the "symbiotic" (man-machine) paths exist in ALL 3 devices built by Arizer and for no good purpose i can think of, except save money by using vaporist lungs instead of proper heat-sinking techniques.
Thank you Arizer for making me so proud of Canadian innovation, Chineese style...
Sorry if it comes as a shock, i know it was one for me after i asked specifically about the paths and the only reply i got from a reseller i thought i could trust proved to be a blatant lie... So actually i share the feeling of being lied to if this can be of any comfort to you.
Hummm... Thanks a bunch Arizer for redefining the definition of "Fresh-Air" in our behalf, for our own good!...
8)
But there's fiction vs reality...
Sure, here's the beast's guts:
The computer fan inside the upper hood generates negative pressure under the Arizer's casing. No attempt was made to put an air-tight barrier between the electronic components located right under and the so-called "Fresh-Air" inlet (on the contrary!) which the fan will pump into your cannabic bowl in bag mode; while whip mode ain't much different except significant additional lung effort is required - and quite a fair amount at that, because it becomes necessary to pre-heat 1st in a passive & mainly convective vaporizer setup...
So, the Q's "inlet" in located under and air enters its base at the center like this:
Arizer would argue the circuit board won't heat up sufficiently to release toxic gasses. Wow! What a relief, euh... Though i've never seen a satisfying explanation as to why excatly a customer should want his air and that of the machine to be intimately blended together in such bizare manner. Why was it necessary in the mind of a designer with diplomas to force every single customer to ventilate a circuit board through (in and out) his own lungs, not to mention that speaking of vacuum i seem to recognize something familiar enough when i use mine - the vacuum cleaner i mean...
At least it appears the new Vapir Rise has an HEPA filter and probably some foam around (inside)...
I can only guess why!
But this still just fails to convince me i should acquire such junk and depend on it for my serenity! No thanks and that's even less appropriate here, simply because if a manufacturer doesn't care for health-oriented customers seeking "medication" (e.g. peace of mind at a high co$t) then i certainly shouldn't neither and i'll suggest those not worried yet should begin asking questions.
Ah and remember, i regret having to state that the "symbiotic" (man-machine) paths exist in ALL 3 devices built by Arizer and for no good purpose i can think of, except save money by using vaporist lungs instead of proper heat-sinking techniques.
Thank you Arizer for making me so proud of Canadian innovation, Chineese style...
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Hi there!
Look at the bright side. The long-term effects of smoke are now sufficiently documented, euh...
Anyway it's a bit funny/peculiar though to find people who still feel justified to judge/define the whole vaporism option by Arizer standards after being shown what's inside exactly!!
Would you require proper alternatives? I sense dismay somehow...
In any case good day, have fun!
Look at the bright side. The long-term effects of smoke are now sufficiently documented, euh...
Anyway it's a bit funny/peculiar though to find people who still feel justified to judge/define the whole vaporism option by Arizer standards after being shown what's inside exactly!!
Would you require proper alternatives? I sense dismay somehow...
In any case good day, have fun!
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PriestTheyCalledHim
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I'm not from the UK but the magic flight launch box is a quality vape. It's small, discreet, and portable.
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Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations PriestTheyCalledHim,
It's also electric hence dry but i must concur when it comes to having "obvious" paths: that's no mystery black-box for sure and i like that, because i believe this to be an equally valuable feature these days...
It's also electric hence dry but i must concur when it comes to having "obvious" paths: that's no mystery black-box for sure and i like that, because i believe this to be an equally valuable feature these days...
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Scotsman,
M'well the DaVinci is portable, just like the Ascent which i was quite pleased to finally discover considering this newer model belongs to the "See-Through" type (at last!):
But although the effects of air confinement may seem limited around the oven it was found the manufacturing process could cause some issues remotely connected to its internal layout...
Both DaVinci devices tempted me for a while but failure to prevent such mishaps by design made me want to Wait 'n See. Eventually their next baby will fix this so i keep wanting proper/complete air-tight separation between the oven's fresh-air/cannabic paths and the balance of robo-guts... Yet, i suspect low-wage workers & synthetics hardly defines quality in this present case. More precisely, i mean if i were to use a DaVinci i'd open it 1st to make certain no glue strings are ready to melt, whatever, etc., etcetera!
M'well the DaVinci is portable, just like the Ascent which i was quite pleased to finally discover considering this newer model belongs to the "See-Through" type (at last!):
But although the effects of air confinement may seem limited around the oven it was found the manufacturing process could cause some issues remotely connected to its internal layout...
Both DaVinci devices tempted me for a while but failure to prevent such mishaps by design made me want to Wait 'n See. Eventually their next baby will fix this so i keep wanting proper/complete air-tight separation between the oven's fresh-air/cannabic paths and the balance of robo-guts... Yet, i suspect low-wage workers & synthetics hardly defines quality in this present case. More precisely, i mean if i were to use a DaVinci i'd open it 1st to make certain no glue strings are ready to melt, whatever, etc., etcetera!
Greyhounder
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I have a Volcano, if you have the cash, and it ain't cheap, I can absolutely recommend it.
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Greyhounder,
Indeed, Storz & Bickel enjoys a venerable reputation. With good reason i presume, but the HerbalAire is so much more fun and affordable, actually! Plus, imagine water accessories connected to a Volcano - and a table (almost a temple) to hold everything and render it mobile, on wheels...
The Plenty costs significantly less by the way!!
Well i can't, there are things money won't buy so i'll say just use the money saved and acquire a water toy as this may well prove necessary. Which is a non-issue using my modded VaporGenie pipe, the one i just lit up a few times in my rocking-chair moments ago, in the veranda with nothing attached... Not even a glass of water nearby to be exact, but i must mention i've been experimenting with pre-vaped blends these days, so... More is less!
Euh...
Or vice versa!!
Indeed, Storz & Bickel enjoys a venerable reputation. With good reason i presume, but the HerbalAire is so much more fun and affordable, actually! Plus, imagine water accessories connected to a Volcano - and a table (almost a temple) to hold everything and render it mobile, on wheels...
The Plenty costs significantly less by the way!!
Well i can't, there are things money won't buy so i'll say just use the money saved and acquire a water toy as this may well prove necessary. Which is a non-issue using my modded VaporGenie pipe, the one i just lit up a few times in my rocking-chair moments ago, in the veranda with nothing attached... Not even a glass of water nearby to be exact, but i must mention i've been experimenting with pre-vaped blends these days, so... More is less!
Euh...
Or vice versa!!
Greyhounder
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I bow to your greater wisdom Egzoset, and your greater bag of kit too.
I am sad that half a world seperates me from ever learning directly.
I too am nicely toasted though and kicking back into the weekend. All I can say is that I really am very happy with my Volcano, I mean really happy, if it can be better then wow! Have a good one.
I am sad that half a world seperates me from ever learning directly.
I too am nicely toasted though and kicking back into the weekend. All I can say is that I really am very happy with my Volcano, I mean really happy, if it can be better then wow! Have a good one.
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Hi again Greyhounder,
M'yeah, sorry if the peasant's futile input has been an anoying disapointement. That's pretty much all i can afford i would say, euh... No, more exactly i must admit i don't give money in vain and i certainly don't support, euh... How shall i say? Hummm... Well, some segment of the cannabic industry ain't worth a penny from me. There's fairness and there's opportunism. Etc., whatever.
In fact you can start inventing a character you can assasinate in a couple posts from here.
Sure, hit and run. What a nice gesture for a member who's focussing his opinions on the topic instead of a person, a virtual one at that...
So, as seen from mount Volcano... High up there above the stars, what's so great the Volcano will accomplish for us poor sods that an HerbalAire won't do, or a Plenty if you prefer?!
Why this has turned personnal? Go figure but i'll bet it has to do with being new and having little to loose: just return later with a new identy!
Sure, i've read it all.
Good day, have fun! Master GreyHouder!...
M'yeah, sorry if the peasant's futile input has been an anoying disapointement. That's pretty much all i can afford i would say, euh... No, more exactly i must admit i don't give money in vain and i certainly don't support, euh... How shall i say? Hummm... Well, some segment of the cannabic industry ain't worth a penny from me. There's fairness and there's opportunism. Etc., whatever.
In fact you can start inventing a character you can assasinate in a couple posts from here.
Sure, hit and run. What a nice gesture for a member who's focussing his opinions on the topic instead of a person, a virtual one at that...
So, as seen from mount Volcano... High up there above the stars, what's so great the Volcano will accomplish for us poor sods that an HerbalAire won't do, or a Plenty if you prefer?!
Why this has turned personnal? Go figure but i'll bet it has to do with being new and having little to loose: just return later with a new identy!
Sure, i've read it all.
Good day, have fun! Master GreyHouder!...