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UK - Legality of 25C-NBOMe & 25I-NBOMe

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btalent70

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Can anyone show me the exact legal status of 25C-NBOMe & 25I-NBOMe in the UK?

Wikipedia says that in New Zealand they are considered to be analogous to Dimethoxybromoamphetamine and are thus illegal. Are they analogous to anything in the UK which would make them illegal? Would they be considered classified under phenethylamine?

Also, I have read that they contain 2C-I as an impurity which would definitely make them illegal. Are there alternative synthesis processes which would not allow for the 2C-I impurity?

This information is so difficult to find on the internet!


Thanks!
 
I know this isn't too helpful but NZ and AUS have blanket laws on RC's so any analogue over here is illegal so don't worry about that. I am quite sure it is still legal in the UK though.
 
btalent70 said:
I have read that they contain 2C-I as an impurity which would definitely make them illegal. Are there alternative synthesis processes which would not allow for the 2C-I impurity?
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This is the main issue, and the reason why UK vendors won't stock any of the NBOMes as they would have to import material that would most likely be class A. Don't know if there are other synthesis routes but they would probably be a lot more expensive so I doubt producers would bother.

Shame as I really want to try 25I but don't want to take the risk - even though the chance of getting caught is very low, (and I can't see them bothering to prosecute someone for 10mg which equates to like half a dose of 2C-I) but you never know.
 
NBOMe's are completely legal in the UK. The amount of unreacted 2c-i in nbome would be miniscule
 
icekila said:
NBOMe's are completely legal in the UK. The amount of unreacted 2c-i in nbome would be miniscule
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If even a slight amount is classified the whole lot is classified. Otherwise dealers would just import kilograms of heavily cut drugs.
 
Thanks for the discussion guys! icekila, what makes you say that it is "completely legal"? What do you think about "In making 25I-NBOMe, a hydrogen atom on the Nitrogen atom of 2C-I is replaced with a methoxybenzyl group", "in essence by maintaining the chemical backbone of 2C-I and simply replacing a single atom (H) of the substance with another functional group is what defines what an analog is."

Found that in a document online, is that how they would define an analogue in the UK too?

2 suppliers have assured me that there is no 2C-I in the product, but this is something I could test in the lab if I were to get some 25I-NBOMe. So just the legality of the chemical itself left. What would be the most official source to ask? A lawyer or the Home Office?
 
btalent70 said:
Thanks for the discussion guys! icekila, what makes you say that it is "completely legal"? What do you think about "In making 25I-NBOMe, a hydrogen atom on the Nitrogen atom of 2C-I is replaced with a methoxybenzyl group", "in essence by maintaining the chemical backbone of 2C-I and simply replacing a single atom (H) of the substance with another functional group is what defines what an analog is."

Found that in a document online, is that how they would define an analogue in the UK too?

2 suppliers have assured me that there is no 2C-I in the product, but this is something I could test in the lab if I were to get some 25I-NBOMe. So just the legality of the chemical itself left. What would be the most official source to ask? A lawyer or the Home Office?
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There is no analogue law in the UK, so unless it's specifically listed as illegal then it's legal. Asking the home office is your best bet, but AFAIK 25I-NBOMe is completely legal in the UK, it's only the impurities that are the problem. It's discussed quite in a bit in one of the NBOMe Big and Dandy thread's (think it's the 25C) if I'm remembering correctly.

If you do get some then please post the test results, they would be really helpful for clearing this up :)
 
This is from the drug-forum which made me think there is an analogue law - and I think I have seen it elsewhere too...

"United Kingdom
The United Kingdom is widely regarded as having some of the most focussed and robust legislation covering research chemical legality. Under UK analogue law, there is no need to demonstrate intent for human consumption. Instead specific chemical derivatives of controlled substances are explicitly identified in highly detailed analogue laws. This effectively makes whole families of existing and conceivable research chemicals controlled. These laws are dynamic and frequently amended to prohibit novel structural families of research chemical.

Since the U.K. system relies on explicitly identifying chemical modifications which are considered to be analogues, novel chemicals can be designed to circumvent the existing laws, if only for a short period of time. An example of this is the beta-ketone family of research chemicals. Despite being analogues of both cathinone and methcathinone (both class C controlled substances) there is currently no law stating that substituted methcathinone derivatives are considered to be analogues. Additionally there is no clause indicating that beta-keto modifications of substituted amphetamines are controlled. For this reason mephedrone and methylone remain technically legal to possess, despite their apparent structural similarity to cathinones, methamphetamine, and in the case of methylone, to MDMA.

Research Chemical families specifically controlled under U.K. law:

2C-x (substituted phenethylamines) – class A, last refined in Misuse of Phenethylamines Act 2002

DOx (substituted amphetamines) – class A, last refined in Misuse of Phenethylamines Act 2002"

There are a lot of people saying that it is legal but it is not something I want to risk...
 
Oh and do you have a link to the big dandy thread please? I have read 20 pages of a 40 page thread but found nothing...
 
I have order NBOMe's internationally quite a lot of times and every time was fine, even 25I-NBMD was fine as well
 
btalent70 said:
Since the U.K. system relies on explicitly identifying chemical modifications which are considered to be analogues, novel chemicals can be designed to circumvent the existing laws, if only for a short period of time. An example of this is the beta-ketone family of research chemicals. Despite being analogues of both cathinone and methcathinone (both class C controlled substances) there is currently no law stating that substituted methcathinone derivatives are considered to be analogues. Additionally there is no clause indicating that beta-keto modifications of substituted amphetamines are controlled. For this reason mephedrone and methylone remain technically legal to possess, despite their apparent structural similarity to cathinones, methamphetamine, and in the case of methylone, to MDMA.
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The way I read this is that it's saying that there is no analogue law, that drugs are controlled and their analogues specifically have to be controlled with them, so although there are analogue laws they are for specific compounds/familys as opposed to all controlled drugs.

I've just had a quick skim through the B&D and can't find the reference sorry. All I can add is that a large UK vendor has stated that the reason he's not stocking it is due to the risk of impurities.
I'm surprised nobody with proper chemistry/law knowledge has posted tbh, I'd wait for them to do so if you want to be sure :)


*Edit: To anyone reading the thread please note the bit quoted is outdated by at least a couple of years, the beta-ketones were added to the MODA over 2 years ago (class B if I'm not mistaken).
 
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Zazen said:
Yes, well done. 10/10 for effort and contribution to the thread.
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Well its 90% speculation anyway
Seems to me youve just got grumpy cos I called you on something
think your a bit sensative
 
gymstud said:
Well its 90% speculation anyway
Seems to me youve just got grumpy cos I called you on something
think your a bit sensative
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you're dumb man Zazens initial comment was in agreement with you when you were quoted- why are you thinking its an arguement. keep going anyway its kind of funny in a nonsensical way
 
At first I thought he was actually being serious, now I realize it's just pointless trolling. It's honestly not difficult to comprehend that if part of a powder is illegal then all the powder is classed as such. If you have 20 grams of coke and it's only 10% they will do you for having 20 grams of coke, not 2.
It's therefore, again not difficult, to extrapolate it to a scenario where say 1 or 2% of the powder is illegal. It's better to be cautious about importing a possible Class A substance, even if the risks are very low.
 
Mmmm well sorry for.being argumentive I can be little like that at times
But for example mimosa hostilis root bark are 1% dmt and is legal in uk
Another exception is being caught with trace amounts of coke on your nose they dont do anything
 
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Sorry to dig up an old thread but I thought I'd share my recent experience which ties in nicely with this topic.

I was recently arrested and incarcerated for drug related offences, amongst the items seized from my house was 50g of 25C-NBOMe and 1Kg of MHRB Powder. When I received the forensic report back it stated that the 25C was not controlled under the MDA 1971, so any unreacted 2C-H or 2C-C clearly didn't show up. However to my horror the MHRB came back as 'Class A: DMT' and I was subsequently charged with possession with intent to supply 1Kg of DMT. The initial forensic report didn't specify the purity of the MHRB/'DMT' and it wasn't until I had my own report done did it show that it was in fact only 1%. SOCA's forensic reports just state if a material 'contains' a controlled substance. Even with my report stating it was only 1% I really had to battle to prove it was uncontrolled as I still couldn't get a report to state that it was MHRB. In the end it was never even resolved in court but the charge was dropped and changed to production of DMT instead, luckily I was only sentenced for producing 1 gram of pure DMT. So I guess the moral of the story is to be prepared if you get busted with MHRB.
 
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