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UK law
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JointsNRoaches
Bluelighter
It is stupid. Class C is for drugs with a medicinal value which Cannabis is. Obviously the rules only apply when they want them to.
harley89
Bluelighter
Yeah exactly, but fuck them ill still smoke, whatever class it is.
Cornishman
Bluelighter
If the judge wanted to, he/she could give you 5 years for smoking a joint.
It says on the home office website: "Penalties for possession - The maximum penalty is five years imprisonment".
Anyone with half a brain cell knows that having a joint is classed as possession.
If you were planning to sell a huge amount of weed it would not be classed as possession.
It would be classed as "Supply, dealing, production or trafficking". NOT POSSESSION.
If you wanna get technical about things, you can actually get 14 years imprisonment for passing an undercover police officer a joint.
Because that would then constitute supply.
If weight loss could be considered, Amphetamines have a medicinal value, and they're class B.
I'd say class B is probably quite fitting... remember, not so long ago Cannabis was a Class A. It's not quite as benign as something like poppers, but also doesn't cause the physical or social harm and loss of life (drug smuggling, body harm) that some class A drugs such as heroin and cocaine cause.
There is some disparity in UK drug laws, I admit. Perhaps things like Ketamine (class C) should be shifted up to a class B also for it's potential harm.
harley89
Bluelighter
He could give you five years, but what kind of heartless bastard would you have to be, to give someone 5 years in prison for smoking a joint. Fuck, you can get 7 years for manslaughter, i think that's a much more serious offense.
harley89
Bluelighter
Heroin is a very benign drug but that is class A, I am very biased on this debate so don't worry arguing lol if it was up to me i would legalize every drug. If people want to take drugs then they will, i know plenty of people who do not drink, it is legal, but they choose not to. If drugs were all legal, then proper research and informative ideas could be brought forward, just seems alot safer to me. Have the drug and KNOW exactly what is init and take the drug dealers dirty fucking hands.
Heroin causes cultural and social harm, such as cocaine does. Heroin isn't at all benign in the way that it is highly addictive and it has passed (forced?) through many hands in many deprived and corrupt countries in order to reach you.
This differs from the way that most class C drugs such as ketamine, and drugs such as cannabis are procurable locally.
And yeah... I really do think that legalizing all but the most socially damaging drugs (although that is open to dictatorish interpretation) would prevent harm by offering more safe and pure drugs, and allow adults to make the choice of what to put into their body (like tobacco and alcohol which is taxed, go figure). It's prevented by the majority of NIBYies who want our nations to remain nanny states.
harley89
Bluelighter
I did not say that the cut's in heroin are benign, just that heroin is benign. If you go get pure unadulterated diacetylmorphine because it was legalized. The fact it is addictive, causes social and cultural harm, is in no way linked to the chemical being benign on the body. I don't get the banning of the 'socially damaging drugs' thing, since if it was legal, there would most possibly be a program to help junkie's in need of a fix, without having to steal, lie, cheat or any other social damage. If all drugs were legal, there would be no prison terms, and thus people would be more open about their habit. This way they could work through their problems/disease just the same way you would with any other type of illness.
I dunno, dude... if that shit was legal I'd be pretty pissed if their were programs that helped displaced junkies get their fix using my tax dollars.
That's just how I feel about it, though.
harley89
Bluelighter
Your taxes pay for other people's health issues doesn't it? You don't know what they are and never will. Would not bother me in the slightest, if someone needs help then they should be treated as human beings, not just fucked up drug addicts. Over here if you are an alcoholic, you get money to spend on booze each week, similar sort of idea? If we could help people out, by given them treatment, then i don't see the problem. It is your opinion. I am talking about all drugs legal, not just heroin.
harley89
Bluelighter
Oh I know that.
I was just illustrating how ridiculous our drug laws are.
The fact that it's possible is beyond belief.
Yeah they are pretty fucked up, but unless i am unable to get any drugs, then i won't be worrying lol
I know you're talking about all drugs being legal, and that includes the more addicting and socially destructive drugs.
If a person can't even be successful enough to legitimately sustain the habit that they've brought upon themselves, they don't need to continue the habit. I wouldn't mind tax dollars going to treatment programs, but perpetuating another person's addiction isn't something I'd be willing to help with.
harley89
Bluelighter
But surely because they can't sustain their habits, then treatment to help them would be better than them causing another person misery i.e someone's house being robbed.
I don't know if you may be misinterpreting what i am saying here, I am not saying give junkie's a fix when ever they want one because of withdrawals (this is self inflicted as we all know). I know there are already methadone programs and rehabs, which are obviously good things, what Im saying is if the drugs were legal then it would be a more positive outlook on the treatments of these diseases, because that is what they are. I am not in the least bit bothered about my taxes going to Alcoholics to pay for their drink, Im not saying it is good to keep doing it, but rather that than them stop, end up homeless trying to find money for their habit, loosing everything or stopping cold turkey and potentially dying. Taxes are deducted from everything we do, and our government uses it in what ever way they see fit. I know about tax rebates and the like, but everything has a tax on it, but i don't miss it, because i know it goes straight to the government. End of story. We work, they take a slice of our money, just how the world is run.
Sorry about the long post man, i was very offit whilst typing last night, so some things may have been a bit scrambled.
Drugs aren't a necessity, though. Honestly, I'd much rather addicts incapable of sustaining their addiction were institutionalized while they went through withdrawals rather than having a majority of them take advantage of any kind of program meant to ween them off of one substance or another.
Sounds kind of harsh, but then again I don't have much sympathy for those that prey on the rest of society just so they can get their next fix.
Might as well start a program for potheads that aren't productive unless they're smoking bud. Or government-issued coffee to guarantee everybody gets as much work as possible done from the beginning of the day to the end. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? So does handing out heroin to underprivileged dopefiends.
harley89
Bluelighter
Surely there is already a program about cannabis to help them to be productive? Medical marijuana. If you have no sympathy, then this is obviously something that we will never agree on. How do they prey on the rest of society to get another fix? There are many addicts, that do not 'prey' on society. Have you ever been addicted to anything? It is not a case of being incapable of sustaining, it is just a downward fucking spiral. Government issued coffee does sound ridiculous, to make people more efficient at work. I don't really see the connection between caffeine and fucking heroin though. Fuck it, there is no point in arguing this. You are from the USA, and obviously have a different view, since we are talking about UK law. so let's agree to disagree. Anyone else who would like to give an opinion is more than welcome.
