UK: Ketamine 'could be re-examined'

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The classification of ketamine - which has become increasingly popular with clubbers - could be upgraded "at some point", the Home Office has said.


Government adviser Professor David Nutt said the drug, designed as a horse anaesthetic, could be doing "permanent damage" to some users' bladders.

The Home Office said it intended to review whether ketamine should remain at class C.

This puts it in the "least dangerous" category of illegal drug.

Upgrading ketamine's classification could increase the maximum sentence for possession from two years to at least five years.

The drug was linked to the deaths of 23 people between 1993 and 2006. Most had accidents after taking it.

There have been concerns it is growing in popularity on the UK club scene and it was made illegal in January 2006, after a surge in the number of people using it.

Prof Nutt, an expert in addiction based at Bristol University, told the Commons home affairs committee: "We are seeing a consistent increase in use and we are seeing a very worrying effect in terms of bladder spasms and bladder pain.

"There is concern that it is causing permanent bladder damage."

He told the MPs he had heard that many young people were turning to ketamine as a recreational drug because the street strengths of ecstasy and cocaine had declined.

On a possible review of the law, Prof Nutt added: "Class C may be the wrong class."

Substances listed in this category by the Home Office are considered the "least dangerous illegal drugs".

Possession of class B drugs, such as cannabis and amphetamines, carries a maximum sentence of five years in jail, while for class C drugs it is two years.

The penalty for being caught with the most dangerous - class A - drugs, such as heroin or cocaine, is seven years.

A spokesman for the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which is part of the Home Office, told the BBC: "Part of the remit of the ACMD is to look at the harms of drugs within the Misuse of Drugs Act.

"We recommended that ketamine be categorized as a class C drug four years ago and we intend to review this at some point in the future as more evidence is becoming available on the long-term harms of the drug."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8328312.stm

Published: 2009/10/27 17:34:32 GMT

© BBC MMIX
 
It would be nice if we could have some proper research into the effects of recreational use of Ketamine on the bladder / urinary / renal systems...

When K was legal, I will admit I used a lot of it - and bloody loved it - but never had any problems like that at all. I also know for sure that my bladder - and all other related organs - are perfectly healthy. So I am not convinced that it is solely the Ketamine that might be causing these problems - hence the need for research.
 
The drug was linked to the deaths of 23 people between 1993 and 2006. Most had accidents after taking it.

weeelll... almost two people a year huh? And mostly Darwin related, not even medical complications?.. I bet lawn darts have claimed more victims =p
 
£5 says that the government will listen to Nutt on this one. [for non-UK BLers: he just got sacked because he continually said that MDMA and cannabis weren't particularly dangerous, and should be downgraded).
 
Sounds to me like a made up reason to reclassify a recreational drug, and yea, 2 people a year?! I wonder how many people died due to the hepatoxicity of Tylenol or GI issues of NSAIDs, proally a lot more than 2. Just another old wives tale. If you pee in an alley you'll get a sty in your eye :!
 
23 people in 13 years! What a joke! Sounds to me like one of the safest activities going around to be honest, any mainstream sport has probably caused more deaths. Even more mind boggling is the fact most of them were caused by accidents while under the influence of ketamine and not actual overdose. There is no good reason at all for them to increase ketamine from class C to class B.
 
Fuck your all way to quick to disregard the dangers of Ketamine. Here we have profs Nutt who we regard as rather unbias when it comes to drugs. So when he points out a potentional danger we all ignore him? If any of you do a search you will even find a topic created by I believe "worriedmom" where her child suffered major bladder problems due to Ketamine. So here on Bluelight we have a direct link to ketamine and bladder problems from some kids mother who is trying to help us and were going to ignore it because we looooove special K.

We should pride outselves on being unbias and about science. We mean shit if the enemy can look at us and point out how we are extreamly bias.
 
i know people who have done ketamine every day for months on end, doing several ounces (or even a kilo, in one case) by themselves, and never had any physical problems. also, thousands of people use ketamine on a non-regular basis, and hardly any of them suffer from problems. sure, some people will have problems, but the safety factor rather high, because the majority of users are fine
 
designed as a horse anaesthetic
Actually it was "designed" as a human anaesthetic primarily, and is still used for that purpose in children due to its safety.

The drug was linked to the deaths of 23 people between 1993 and 2006. Most had accidents after taking it.

Note that said deaths ALL have to do with the users' stupidity, not the drug itself.

Prof Nutt, an expert in addiction

LOL ok, I'll try to take this seriously...

based at Bristol University, told the Commons home affairs committee: "We are seeing a consistent increase in use and we are seeing a very worrying effect in terms of bladder spasms and bladder pain.

"Very worrying" liek, omgz. There has already been research about this in Canada and while there seems to be some correlation between EXTREME Ketamine abuse and bladder issues, it isn't as worrying as mr. Nutt seems to make it out to be.

"There is concern that it is causing permanent bladder damage."

All these hippies that have been taking K for all these years... they must all be wearing diapers now or something.

He told the MPs he had heard that many young people were turning to ketamine as a recreational drug because the street strengths of ecstasy and cocaine had declined.
Wow! That makes perfect sense! I guess mr. Nutt IS an "expert" on addiction after all.

On a possible review of the law, Prof Nutt added: "Class C may be the wrong class."

Substances listed in this category by the Home Office are considered the "least dangerous illegal drugs".

I like how the brits administer justice by how "dangerous" an illegal drug is seen to be by "experts" like Mr. Nutt.

What a major eye-roller 8).
 
Jamshyd,

Don't roll your eyes at Prof Nutt. He is an expert and was just fired because the government didn't like that fact he has said ecstasy, LSD and cannabis were safer than alcohol and tobacco. You could say he was on our side in the fact that he told the truth and didn't pander to the moral fever surrounding drugs and their harms/dangers.

And yes, it *was* his job to advise the government on drug classifications as a member of an independent scientific committee. Don't know why you find that strange.
 
Never done ketemine, but if you go to erowid and read trip reports the irreversible bladder damage doesnt seem *that* rare. While I cant say for certain, it also seems like ketemine is becoming more popular and used more and more as a substitute for other drugs.
 
Yeah this definately isn't something you want to dismiss out of hand. The damage a drug can cause is measured in more than how many deaths it causes, and ketamine definately has the ability to cause serious damage to the bladder. I know a bloke who had a bladder reconstruction earlier in the year as a direct result of his K abuse.

Kind of funny how you people will jump over everything this guy says that claims a certain drug is safe, but dismiss him as soon as he points out a danger. Can't have your cake and eat it too, some of the people on this site are just as bad as the government when it comes to selective use of information.
 
Yeah I know someone who used alot of ketamine and ended up with gall stones. I agree with Crankinit here, surely if we listen to him about cannabis, MDMA and LSD being reclassified, then we must concider his thoughts on ketamnine?

In my opinion its a complete joke K being class C. Weed is class B, surely weed should be C at most and K should be B.. Thats just my opinion I'm sure people will argue but I think that would make sense.
 
I'm wondering if our Nutt-yBuddy here made these statements before or after he got fired? Maybe he was just trying to do some damage control on his image looking for a new problem. 'See, I'm not the pro-drug Nutt they're making me out to be after all'! =p
 
On the other hand, I've personally used roughly a kg in the last 3 years and have suffered no bladder problems or other issues that are said to be associated with k use. Not that I dispute issues exist,
 
It seems like some ketamine users develop these bladder problems while others do not. Wish there was more information about this. I guess I do not use any where near enough ketamine to have to worry though.
 
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