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Inspired by @LoginNotSecure in another thread.

Are there any drugs that can be sourced overseas with rec value that aren't controlled in the UK? noting the Psychoactive Substances Act.

are there still things that are in a grey area at all? e.g. I see Phenibut being sold clearnet as a supplement, Kava being sold, Kratom can be imported as "hair dye".

From a HR perspective this is about buying safely sourced, "pure" drugs that don't fund criminal activity.

Not available in the UK, but easy to acquire from overseas, Flupirtine. Tizanidine also. That's available in the UK, it's prescription only though. [...] Cyclobenzaprine is another that works well, but again isn't on the UK market, also not a controlled drug so fine importing it, within reason.
suggestions as alternative muscle relaxants to Soma
It's withdrawn and unlicensed now, so unless you're importing more than you can get away with "using for yourself" then you won't have an issue. Even if it was seized, it's not a controlled drug, so you'd be fine.
would be good to understand practicalities of this, what level are you talking? import ~30 days worth without a prescription? If it is seized have you just burnt your address for UK-UK shipping, are you getting stuck on a watch list?
 
Inspired by @LoginNotSecure in another thread.

Are there any drugs that can be sourced overseas with rec value that aren't controlled in the UK? noting the Psychoactive Substances Act.

are there still things that are in a grey area at all? e.g. I see Phenibut being sold clearnet as a supplement, Kava being sold, Kratom can be imported as "hair dye".

From a HR perspective this is about buying safely sourced, "pure" drugs that don't fund criminal activity.


suggestions as alternative muscle relaxants to Soma

would be good to understand practicalities of this, what level are you talking? import ~30 days worth without a prescription? If it is seized have you just burnt your address for UK-UK shipping, are you getting stuck on a watch list?

Everything is controlled in the UK now, unfortuntely (except for booze, fags and coffee - oh, and shitty butyl nitrate inhalants because some gay tory threw his dummy out of the pram when the PSA was proposed. How else was he supposed to relax his sphinter??? :rolleyes:)

But you can still source RCs from overseas on the clearnet, it just depends if they are willing to ship to the UK.

I don't personally have any sources (before you ask ๐Ÿ˜‰ ), but I know they are out there.

If you're only buying personal amounts, then you're unlikely to run into any problems, but the risk is still there.
 
Everything is controlled in the UK now, unfortuntely.

Here is the thing - the NPS act is so vague. One can legally buy and consume isopropanol (if mad) but that's not 'novel', apparently. So what IS 'novel'? Something only discovered AFTER the date of the act? I do keep track of people charged with crimes that fall under the NPS and not a single one went to a jury trial as if ONE person is adjudged innocent - it set's a prescident.

I can only guess that a Goodyear indication possibly with a Newton hearing means that someone who in theory could be looking at 7 years (importantion/intent to supply) can barter that down to 18-36 months. These are people who INTEND a chemical to be consumed and are selling it as such.

The CPS MUST bargain because I sense that even THEY know it's so vague that any competent defence would shred the whole thing.

I wouldn't go near it but one day someone WILL and then back come RCs and back comes having to define a 'drug' and no, not using Markush structures because for every example that I've seen, there are medicines or even chemicals that are used in the manufacture of quite innocent things that would also be in there in that Markush structure.

So for personal amounts, DO go innocent and point all this out to your KC because chances are the CPS will fold or lose in a court of law.
 
Iโ€™ve imported lots of different stuff, including steroids, HCGโ€™s, among other things. All from India and China. Never had an issue. Even on big orders.
 
I do keep track of people charged with crimes that fall under the NPS and not a single one went to a jury trial as if ONE person is adjudged innocent - it set's a prescident.
I believe Kier Stalin & Co are pushing through policies that mean that there will be far less cases that go to jury trial in future. It will inevitably be only the most serious cases, so I'd imagine cases like importing small amounts of substances would never go to jury trial, especially if or when these 'streamlining' processes become law.

It's hard to believe he was once a human rights lawyer. He now seems to be hell bent on being the opposite of that, and intent on abolishing as many rights and privacies as possible.
 
Most nations don't use the jury system for lesser crime but you still get a defence team. If you did it, if these is evidience you did it, you still have the Goodyear indication and a Newton Hearing (AFAIK). If not, if you announce intent to bring in a expert witness, it all starts costing the CPS money. People forget that, there are criminals out there who have no record because judges are even more uninformed of the real world than a jury so an expert witness for the defence means the CPS also needs at least one expert witness. It becomes just too costly.

Lawfare is ugly, so don't DO that thing, but amazing what a good KC can do.
 
Still never see much methylone being sold even on the darknet - that was about my fave of all those drugs. Is the only reason methylone got popular was cos of it being legal? I guess if you're on the darknet anyway you may as well get MDMA. I wonder what happened to all the "chemists" who were claiming they could create new synthetics forever. That seemed to die a death too.

Mephedrone made you smell so bad I wasn't keen. Someone I know vaguely took so much he was hospitalised for kidney damage.

Must've hit headshops hard - there was an explosion of those places back in 2004-2007 selling mushrooms, now I guess it's just pipes and bongs being sold.
 
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I tried pulling that "it's legal" in 2004 when they found dried cactus in my freezer - I still got charged with importing a kilo of mescaline. It's still the biggest mescaline bust in European history.

(And it was legal after all - a few headshops got taken to court after me and they got off with it)
 
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It's hard to believe he was once a human rights lawyer. He now seems to be hell bent on being the opposite of that, and intent on abolishing as many rights and privacies as possible.
The tone you have on this comment seems to express shock he is this way, what did you expect?
 
Everything is controlled in the UK now, unfortuntely (except for booze, fags and coffee - oh, and shitty butyl nitrate inhalants because some gay tory threw his dummy out of the pram when the PSA was proposed. How else was he supposed to relax his sphinter??? :rolleyes:)
Nothing better than a Tory MP using Tax Money to buy Meth off The Darkweb, hire Gay male sex workers for Chemsex Orgy events at his Tax Payer funded 2nd house & also to pay off drug debts to "bad men" as he called them.

 
The tone you have on this comment seems to express shock he is this way, what did you expect?
I've long since realised that he's a weasly, mealy mouthed, cnut of the highest order, but it just strikes me as very strange, with him coming from a seemingly humanitarian background, for him to just have turned his back on all of that completely, and gone full tilt in the other direction.

It's just makes him even worse than ever in my eyes.

No wonder he's polling as the most unpopular prime minister EVER, since polling first began on these sorts of things.

He seems to have done a Faustian Pact, in selling his soul and losing any integrity and decency he may once have had, in exchange for power and control. Clearly everyone has seen right through the transparent slimeball that he is.
 
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A cactus is a cactus. Kokopelli grew them in the window and if someone asked, they would cut the top off, remove slices and put the top bit (with skin) back so the plant continued to grow. So it wasn't dried and the 'window' between slicing and tasting was a matter of seconds. I understood it to be the case that no plant is per se illegal, but 'preparation' and distribution are.

On a related topic @fastandbulbous pointed out how some fungi take tryptophan and produce psilocybin. They made the simple observation that any tryptophan derivative would be 4-hydroxylated and N-methylated (or dimethylated) by the fungi so in theory, an inactive N-monosubstituted tryptophan derivative would yield N-methyl-N-<whatever> 4-OH active. 4OH-MET likely to be good.

I don't keep up with such things but I assume that since plants and animals can be selectively bred for certain characteristics, it may be possible to cross-breed fungi to optimize active content.

I only know a little bit about it but Tazmanian Alkaloids bred the 'Norman Strain' which was a cross between an oriental poppy and an opium poppy. Since the result only produced thebaine and oripavine, it need not be grown inside heavily guarded fields. But IF someone had seeds of that strain, it would be interesting BUT I hasten to add that it also carries risks. If reticuline had an altered N-substituant, would that then produce verious derivative? I don't know. But some idiot would just cash in on the misary of others. For me, a cheaper way to produce naloxone OR something like the N-allyl homologue of 6-MMDM which MAY be more effective in the treatment of overdoses.

As a friend noted, 'going to bed when you want and locking your own door may seem trivial, but they are not'. I've ALWAYS visited if a VO popped through my letterbox and it's amazing how people much closer to an inmate just don't go and how quickly they forget. Person could have something to look forward to, something to keep them going. But no, it seems people don't care.

I've ALWAYS stuck to my triad of rules.

I even asked KH why on earth he insisted on making the one lysergamide that was controlled and why not a legal homologe? He couldn't even explain it to himself BUT I have read Eric Berne's 1950s coffee-table book 'Games People Play' and the more I hear, the more I think he (Berne) was on to something. In essence, it's hide-and-seek for adults. The 'thrill' of getting away with it combined with the monkey logic of presuming if a person got away with it for a while, somehow it becomes less dangerous when in fact it's only ever going to become MORE dangerous.

Similar story to a couple of other people I knew back then. They could opt for something legal which was also cheaper and better, but for whatever reasons, they took a perverse pleasure in it. I suppose people who cave dive, freefall or whatever, it's all about LIKING the risk.

I am highly risk-averse. I suggest when born, we are all given an unknown amount of good luck but we use up that luck without it ever becoming wisdom. Try as I might, I know of no way to measure luck and act on the presumtion that I used all of mine doing dumb things. Not illegal, just stupid.
 
Nothing better than a Tory MP using Tax Money to buy Meth off The Darkweb, hire Gay male sex workers for Chemsex Orgy events at his Tax Payer funded 2nd house & also to pay off drug debts to "bad men" as he called them.

What an orderly, spick and span home, for someone going seemingly heavily down such a path. Such paths more often end up in utter chaos and squalor in my experience.. He must have a cleaner, or partner.

I see he used Ginger beer as well. I presume he used it for masking the taste of GBL. So did I. I never found anything better.

"Crispin Blunt claimed he had entered the world of drug-fuelled chemsex parties to help inform government policy."

As good a defense as any.

I wouldn't want to be doing meth at his age though tbh. Fast track to heart attack city.

He maintains a facade of health and respectability though. You'd never guess just by looking at him.
 
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Yeah i told my lawyer dried cactus isnt prepared but he just looked at me sort of like "Fucked if I know, if the police say so then thats it". I think 99% of lawyers would be the same.
 
Nothing better than a Tory MP using Tax Money to buy Meth off The Darkweb, hire Gay male sex workers for Chemsex Orgy events at his Tax Payer funded 2nd house & also to pay off drug debts to "bad men" as he called them.

Mr Starmer was at that party
 
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