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UK Driving Drug Test....

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Evening all,

So, Im going to France next week and I was checking I'd got everything I needed for the car, headlamp adapters, breathalyser 8o etc.. I then read that they do saliva drug tests, great....!

I then remembered that the UK was looking to start doing it, and it's not far away. Actually, it's pretty fuckin close, 02/03/15 8o....

Before anyone says "no drug testing talk", we don't need to talk about the actual test, ways around it, we all know what the tests are.. It's more just to make people aware that using a drug and driving is now going to have to be thought about so as to have as little in your system when you get in the car.. not ideal and probably not doable all the time, but if you need your license a hell of a lot you may have to re evaluate your drug use... :\

Here's what will be tested for and the limits allowed. The prescription drugs have apparently being worked out on the usual prescribed dose so as not to fail it, if you're prescribed a big dose then you're as fucked as someone on MDMA.... :!

The limits in full (micrograms of substance per litre of blood)

• Benzoylecgonine 50mcg/L
• Clonazepam 50mcg/L
• Cocaine 10mcg/L
• Cannabis & Cannabino 2mcg/L
• Diazepam 550mcg/L
• Flunitrazepam 300mcg/L
• Ketamine 20mcg/L
• Lorazepam 100mcg/L
• LSD 1mcg/L
• Methadone 500mcg/L
• Methamphetamine 10mcg/L
• MDMA & Ecstasy 10mcg/L
• Heroin 5mcg/L
• Morphine 80mcg/L
• Oxazepam 300mcg/L
• Temazepam 1,000mcg/L
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Can anyone work out...say... the cannabis one, what does 2mcg/L equate to, could that amount in theory still be in your system the day after you smoked an average spliff??

I'm totally against driving around off your head, on anything however I see this more of an attack on druggie scum "If you've used drugs in the past week you're impaired and a danger to the world"

Here's(<<<link there if you can't see it on the Blacklight skin) some more info on the new laws :!:!:!:X:!:o8(:(8o
 
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You are not wrong. I suppose if one were to drive immediately after taking acid and get stopped they may have enough in their system to test positive but - quite frankly - anybody being so irresponsible deserves to be caught.
 
ponch said:
I'd like to think these limits have been set so a decent break, say 12 hours would see you under the limit. I don't hold out much hope though 8)
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That's how it works in Australia. In fact I think for cannabis it is suggested around 6 hours, but most people who smoke at night will be safe the next day.

Daily users are more at risk, but the road side saliva tests are only screening people before they are taken away for a blood test. Your licence is suspended for 24 hrs, but interesting enough you are only charged with a driving offence, not a crime if you are caught.

There is a lot of false negatives, and the longer we have had these tests the more I see police using their judgment. I've known people to be let off after they argued they are a heavy smoker who hadn't smoked for a day yet still test positive.

Amphetamines have a much longer half life and you run the risk of being picked up 24 hr or more after a session.
 
Makes perfect sense doesn't it Sham... 8)

I don't understand the limits at all tbh. LSD is 1mcg/L where as heroin is 5mcg/L, so when you consider how much acid you take compared to heroin it seems completely disproportionate.

1mcg = 1ug. So if you took 150ug you've only got to metabolise 149 of those suckers.

Where as heroin..

You take 0.2g = 200000 mcg, that's a hell of a lot more to shed to be clear. Have they worked it out off the half life of the drugs to? I don't geddit :?
 
Its the cannabis one that's the killer.... All smokers know that cannabis can be detected for up to several weeks, without still being active.
Where do legals fit in though? They can't possibly set realistic limits for all quadrillion RCs surely? Does a particular substance have to be specified before it becomes an offence to drive on it? They is opening a can of worms here I'll tell ye!
 
I don't think even seasoned drug users would understand that table. The problem is there is not a reliable dose chart for ant street drug due to the variation in quality of drugs consumed.

I don't know how they will use the drug testing but here it isn't routinely performed by a copper in a car. They have dedicated drug buses that allow blood tests straight away so they will generally set them up in nightclub areas or as you are leaving a music festival.
 
One Thousand Words said:
I don't think even seasoned drug users would understand that table. The problem is there is not a reliable dose chart for ant street drug due to the variation in quality of drugs consumed.

I don't know how they will use the drug testing but here it isn't routinely performed by a copper in a car. They have dedicated drug buses that allow blood tests straight away so they will generally set them up in nightclub areas or as you are leaving a music festival.
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Apparently a roadside 'drugalyzer' is currently undergoing testing and nearing completion. No doubt the results of a roadside test will need to be verified by a blood test asap. Ha! well tough. You ain't getting any blood out of me bitches! :-)
 
It's an intriguing legal situation and something that I understood has held up such tests in the past. Effectively the law is stating that there is a legal amount of an illegal substance that you can have in your system.

The case for drink driving is well proven through extensive research and whilst driving whilst tripping your dangley bits off is clearly both stupid and irresponsible I'm not so convinced that modest doses of, for example stimulants do impair driving, it's my understanding that military helicopter pilots are still given benzedrine.

I havent seen the details of these tests, are they prosecuting purely based on the road side test or, like booze is it just an indicator ?
 
By the looks of the gadget doing the testing I'd say they're just using that.. its not just a swab test like the drug services use. It's got flashing lights, a screen and everything :D

It just looks like a didier version of the one they have down the cop shop...
 
I'd imagine roadside saliva tests would basically be the same as saliva tests given to some folk on scripts - I've had loads. They seem to be pretty effective at showing positive for all the widely-used drugs - even at low concentrations when I'd expected to go negative as it had been a couple days. You'd certainly need a blood test to prove a specific drug in most cases (showing positive for benzos doesn't say which one and the variance in allowed limits is rather large, opioids are only broken down into morphine, methadone or bupe (from memory) and there are plenty different amphetamines and so on) but would be effective as far as showing a person had "something they probably shouldn't" in their system. Nigh on useless for many RCs though. Those really would be tricky to find ways of finding out about. I'd assume a certain amount of common sense would hopefully be involved - if you've eyes like saucers and are chewing your face off you probably could do with being removed from behind the wheel and given a lil time out.

EDIT: Nope. It's not those tests.
 
Here's the gadj...


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Drugalyser ‘on the road’.
Posted on July 12, 2013 by Drugalyser®
Drug Drivers can now be caught by the Drugalyser

The new government proposals would introduce a new offence of driving above a certain limit of drugs in the body.
The legislation would overcome the current challenges of proving a driver was impaired.
The newly proposed legislation means that drivers who are suspected of being under the influence of drugs will be taken to a police station to undertake the new drug test using Drugalyser® equipment.
In the new year 2014 the Drugalyser® devices will be used on the roadside to test drivers on the spot.
If drugs are detected then the driver will face automatic prosecution.
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And of course, the people who make these fantastically expensive, posh new testing machines don't stand to benefit one tiny little bit from this new law. If they do not give away their products for nothing, or at least sell them for no more than the cost of the parts and materials used plus a fair living wage for the workers who assemble them, then they will undoubtedly donate every penny of their profits to a charitable foundation, dedicated to the noble causes of improving road safety; providing education on drugs, harm reduction for those who choose to use them anyway and help for those who want to stop using them; and buying everyone a pony.
 
Here comes the drugalyser

Looking pretty grim for driving when this comes in. Can't use cocaine for about 3 days before you drive, 3-5 days for E, 2 days for LSD or it will be detected by this stupid fucking drugalyser and you will be banned from driving - even if you had the drug 5 days ago.
 
The level is set at 10 for cocaine - very, very low. It's the kind of level that's theres days after taking it.

Presumably once you test positive for drugs it won't be long before they're using that as justification for launching an immediate drug raid on your house.
 
If it's like the rest of the world it simply means a blood test which is infinitely more reliable.

Don't be fooled by the hype, I'd only be worried about amphetamines and weed after 48 hours. Lsd in particular is next to impossible to detect, let alone with some fancy analyser. Not to say there won't be plenty of false positives fucking people over.

Low level or not, cocaine clears the system too quickly, especially if you are not a heavy user. It's why it's the sportsmanship drug of choice.
 
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