• MDMA &
    Empathogenic
    Drugs

    Welcome Guest!
  • MDMA Moderators: Esperighanto

Uk crystal and US powder

G

Glowing aaron

Bluelighter
Joined
Oct 7, 2010
Messages
322
It seems that in the US most of the "mollly" you get comes in powder form.
While in the UK no one would really touch anything powdered and will usually only buy crystal. I know crystal can be cut but is a lot harder to hide than with powder. I was wondering why on opposites sides of the atlantic why we seem to get crystal and USA seem to get powder? Anyone got any ideas?
 
different sources, in the UK most MDMA comes from mainland Europe such as the Netherlands or eastern Europe, in the USA I hear it comes from Canada or south America, maybe they have a different process which either makes fine crystals or powder, in fact one method I saw for crystallising produced very fine powdery crystals (as mentioned in the process, I have never synthesised MDMA, no further questions because talking in detail about synth is banned)
I have brought MDMA in the UK which was 1 solid rock :D and you are right in the UK you don't touch powder as it is rarely MDMA or is cut to shit.
 
Last edited:
Most us mdma comes over from canada and the canadians just dont bother to crystallize the producxt. The powder ive had has always been of a crystalline appearance, shines in the light/looks like sand.
When mdma is produced, after turning freebase oil to hcl it isnt in big rocks, crystallization is an extra step that isnt necessary. For what its wprth european made crystal isnt all that hard to come by in the us
 
dont know about other people in america but I go by the same rules you said above and I live in the US. I always think if its powder its probably cut so I never buy powder stuff unless I get to test it first. I don't know what makes you think we don't have crystal over here, we have A LOT of it, its all I ever bother buying and it is pretty common. There are opaque off white crystals all the way to brown tan crystals I think it really depends on who you know and how high up the chain you are. I don't think my hook ups are all that great but they always have crystal of some kind or another, and not small amounts either.
 
just seems the general impression i got from speaking and reading north american posts. Pure MDMA is pure mdma whether crystal or powder just wondering really thats all.

Didnt think youd have any dutch crystal in north america importing from europe seems a lot more risky than importing from canada. You had any of the dutch 200mg pills yet then?
 
Glowing aaron said:
Pure MDMA is pure mdma whether crystal or powder just wondering really thats all.
Click to expand...

Exactly. Obviously, it's much easier for someone to "water down" powder by adding a visually similar powder (be it baking soda, salt etc.) to the MDMA powder. Crystals can be cut as well, but there is more process involved.
 
Glowing aaron said:
just seems the general impression i got from speaking and reading north american posts. Pure MDMA is pure mdma whether crystal or powder just wondering really thats all.

Didnt think youd have any dutch crystal in north america importing from europe seems a lot more risky than importing from canada. You had any of the dutch 200mg pills yet then?
Click to expand...
we get dutch crystal, i've had it a few times/is available.
 
ah good ole infused hydrochloride rocks (dutch) . Love those big chunks
@OP it's far easier to recrystallize/crystal growth then cut powders, the chemist is the biggest cutter. Adding sugars like lactose, sucrose and manitol even speed up the process.

Customers gets what customer asks... Over here they prefer chunks over there they seem to prefer powders :)

you guys don't even have small pebbles? h2o/acetone rex seems like it'd happen in the US
 
Last edited:
i have a 1.5 gram crystal in my drug collection. that being said, i've only come across what is usually referred to as "moon rocks" in my area, about 3 times in the 4 years i've been at this. i've definitely had some crystalline powder molly that has been of equal quality, but generally it is going to be cut to some extent. it is an extra step in the manufacturing process that isn't necessary, but i would feel 1000 times more confident buying a product that was huge crystals compared to a powder and be willing to pay a slightly higher price for it to be in that form.
 
in seattle where there is TONS of traffic from canada my guys would get kilos of blocks of molly, pressed soo tight it would be chunky and rocky but could be crushed into powder easily. my buddy would have a bag of 10 ounces and it would all clump together in the center and powder would be lining around the big chunk. off-white color. never saw the rocks like they have in europe. i think the chinese just get lazy and dont re-crystalize. Still amazing product. batches would vary from off-white to light tan. we suspected it was around 75-80% pure.
 
When I went to europe the bag of mdma i had (from germany) was very crystally with big brown chunks. There was also a lot of powder in the bag and a lot of euphoria packed in there as well...

when sold mdma "powder" in aus, it was always of pure white colour and almost all times not mdxx. I would prefer rocks as the others have said. I guess that chances of the product being cut would be significantly less.
 
i think it depends how it was imported, if it is crystals chances are it was dissolved in water or some other solvent at source, making it easier to hide and less suspicious for transportation and then the water or other solvent is evaporated when it reaches the buyer thus forming crystals, the buyer is prob too lazy to crush up the crystals (why would they anyway?) and thus we get crystal MDMA, powder MDMA prob comes directly from the chemist to the buyer without being dissolved or the buyer crushed it up so he can cut it or weigh it easier, who knows, all depends on how it got to your dealer i think.
 
There's a bigger market in the us and crystallization is an unnecesary step. Less time in synth = more money. Over in Europe research chems are bigger and Europeans are accustomed to to crystal leading them to be suspicious of powder.
 
Crystallization IS a necessary step. Proper recrystallization will remove impurities. However, racemic MDMA doesn't form large crystals. Many producers simply melt the MDMA, add cuts, and let it cool into a large mass. This is not proper recrystallization. The right way to recrystallize MDMA and other stuff is to dissolve it in a minimum amount of hot anhydrous alcohol, optionally add a little bit of activated carbon, filter, let cool and add a co-solvent that it's insoluble in, like acetone, ether, or xylene, and cool the mixture. Crystals will grow, leaving some of the impurities in the alcohol/co-solvent.The slower the crystals grow, the bigger and purer it'll be. This could be used to clean up dirty shit.

You can't tell quality by how crystalline it is. you could have large shards bigger than you fingers, but it could be a crystalline cut. It could be pure MDMA crushed into a fine powder.
 
uhh CRYSTALLIZATION IS NOT necessary.
they still acetone wash the product and whatnot, but growing crystals from MD isnt a result of just washing it without intentionally growing crystals.
anhydrous alcohol?
learn the meaning of anhydrous, you can't even get true anhydrous alcohol no matter what unless you try to produce ethanol via total synthesis, distillation can only produce 96ish percent alcohol tops, with the remaining percent water.
and just the process of turning freebase oil to HCL is going to pull some impurity out because of the whole solvent use during the gassing or titration.
 
LSDMDMA&AMP said:
uhh CRYSTALLIZATION IS NOT necessary.
they still acetone wash the product and whatnot, but growing crystals from MD isnt a result of just washing it without intentionally growing crystals.
anhydrous alcohol?
learn the meaning of anhydrous, you can't even get true anhydrous alcohol no matter what unless you try to produce ethanol via total synthesis, distillation can only produce 96ish percent alcohol tops, with the remaining percent water.
and just the process of turning freebase oil to HCL is going to pull some impurity out because of the whole solvent use during the gassing or titration.
Click to expand...

Why don't you learn the meaning of anhydrous. Their are other alcohols besides ethanol that work and ethanol can be dried with molecular sieves , with CaO, with magnesium, or benzene/toluene to break the azeotrope with water. Or you could just buy it. Hell you don't even need keep it dry.

Do you really think chemist, including Shulgin, crystallized their shit just to look pretty? Recrystallization will clean up shit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrystallization_(chemistry)
 
recrystallization/solvent washes and growing 3+ inch shards are 2 different deals.
i mentioned acetone washes in my post, but to get big ass shards you have to TRY to get big ass shards, you can purify yo MD without growin shards.
 
NY, east coast over here and I wont even bother touching anything that isnt in crystal form, even though its releativly easy to do so.
 
LSDMDMA&AMP said:
recrystallization/solvent washes and growing 3+ inch shards are 2 different deals.
i mentioned acetone washes in my post, but to get big ass shards you have to TRY to get big ass shards, you can purify yo MD without growin shards.
Click to expand...

This is true. In fact, racemic MDMA won't form big shards like d-meth. Actually I'd think it's cut with MSM if molly had shards.(S)MDMA probably would, but it's never made.

The european melting method does have one advantage, it removes all the water of crystallization(MDMA forms hydrates), making it purer/stronger gram for gram if cuts aren't added.

What I'm trying to say, is you could have huge rocks cut to shit, or powder(perhaps crushed up crystals acetone washed) that's fire.

As of now, molly is better than 75% of pills, but as it becomes more popular you'll start see more cut shit.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top