UK: Can we calm down about Ecstasy

[DustRemover]

Sounds highly unlikely to me, but what do I know. I wouldn't believe everything that you hear on the news though .

We don't get meth in pills in the UK, but piperazines are rife. But there is an answer: Testing kits - like the fine examples that can be acquired by clicking on the banner at the top of the page .

As to the article, it's nice to see some reasonably balanced reporting, but as EnthoDjinn pointed out - we've just had the ridiculous palaver of switching cannabis from a "B" to a "C" and back again (against all advice) so I seriously doubt the Government would have the balls to change the classification of Ecstasy in the near future .

I wish I was there
I've done over 500 pills in my lifetime (sad ya) haha not with prozac
anyways . . . I remember when the pills were all imported internationally, they were the greatest gift put on mothernatures green earth, I must say as time continues, the danger here in the US is growing, surely . . . and I'm not against methamphetamine, but I sure as heck don't want it in my GoshDern E! I went to a party 3 weekends ago (with my old ass) and started shaving off a little of the pill to put in a cigarette when a small piece of meth fell right out of it! I crushed the entire thing (carefully) to see there was quite a bit of clear chunks of meth. I could not believe what I was seeing [as an experienced exstacy user] so of course . . . we tested it. We separated the chunks out and found it almost was better than the meth we have tried that was pure. Unfreakin believable . . . straight from a pill to the pipe!? Kids are going to die taking pills like that I hate being a participant of such a culture but shit there's a downside to everything, right. ACK

Drug ethics: People should always have the right to choose what substance they are idulging or abusing, which involves the knowledge of all contents.
Since drugs are kept illegal, the downside is there are a lot of variations and dangerous imposters (In the US of course) to something that is meant to be enjoyed not exploited. But so is sex . . . so guess my reply ends here

Vote no on U.S. exstacy . . . I wish they were still using testing kits around here :*(

 

[d-brock]

whats up with u guys over there in europe (especially the UK) and ectacy? lol i hate Ectacy i've had a few good times on it in the past but u gotta be in the right mood for it and have the right atmosphere and i dunno but i've only done it a handful times in my past and after the last roll i took i never did it again and decided the bad effects of that drug out-weighted the good effects... I like downers i guess, opiates are my drug of choice, but again i hate them too..ahh well

I'm guessing you got some shitty Rolls, it's an epidemic of crap E here in the US...Well the E out in Europe is "usually" the real deal, 20x's better than the shit here in the states. E has changed so much with all kinds of chemical, i tried some recently and it was shit compared to 5 years ago. This new crap just makes your jaw go crazy with hardly any euphoria and the next day it feels as if you drank battery acid or some shit.I've heard of alot of deaths in the states and europe. People selling pills AS ecstasy which actually contain DXM. DXM dehydrates you extremly bad, People physically exerting themselves at clubs and raves especially, end up dead.DXM provokes a life-threatening condition in which the body's warming mechanisms fail to maintain normal body temperature and the entire body cools.(hypothermia) Ehhh all this talk is depressing. Actual MDMA with NO CUT is totally okay, nothing but love baby.. All these people doing this crazy shit like said above (rape, stabbing etc) say and "think" they took E when they really took a bunch of bullshit chemicals some fucknut made in his basement making whoever was dumb enough not to test them go loco!!!! Giving REAL ecstasy a bad name.... Arrghhh and it pisses me off when these officials say "50 deaths a year involve the use of ecstasy" That is fucking bullshit, those pills probably didn't even have any MDMA in them.....

KUDO'S to you "DustRemover" you're exactly right and it's fucked up and sad...

 

[E-llusion]

The problem with pills mixed with other things like speed or meth is that the customers (kidz in clubz) expect to go flying and have energy from 1 pill for the whole night of dancing.

Most people don't realize that pure MDMA is not what is sold in the pills, pure MDMA doesn't give you endless energy in fact it makes you wanna chill out and relax much more than dance and go crazy , but then this would not really be a "club drug".

 

[danalprazolam]

I only did E once and I have a really addictive personality somtimes. It broke my addiction to cocaine. I called all of my friends to tell them I was rolling and one of them was racking lines, I just thought to my self how stupid.

Now I share a life long bond with the people I did it with. Even though I'm not as close to them as I used to be. I'll always remember the good it brought out of me. Not just the high but making me think of drugs in general. I was thinking of this whole forum when I took it.

The next day I definently felt "weird". But it wasn't anything bad. The best part is I never had a "comedown". I went home at about 2 a.m., the air was on full blast, I took a nice lukewarm shower. Basically went to bed right after that.

It was a great experience and it's thing's like this that break addictions and make people change. It's not a good drug to binge on at all. That's the best part about it.

So I wish I wasn't taking anxiety meds and suboxone or I would do it again to break this addiction... Maybe i'll do it when I quit.

E is a wonderful drug and I was sceptical at first. But knew the pill were pure mdma. So once I chewed it, I put my head under a cold shower and started rubbing my hair. It felt so freaking good. Everything did. My friends cats even fell off the balcony some how and we found them.

This is the type of drug that makes people "anti-violent"

Now I think all drugs have a place in this world. But for the anti-drug people. This is definently one that needs to be looked at more carefully. As long as people dont binge on it it's a miracle drug.

 

[foundationx4]

There are also fears that we are sitting on a timebomb generation of potential Parkinson's sufferers, yet the acid house crew are pushing on a bit now, and there is little evidence that they are unravelling.

im kinda concerned about this. we will be the first gen of seniors that did X pills ALOT. what if everyones fucked when there older HAHAHA .

 

[OcCo]

Does it really matter if it doesn't get downgraded, anyone who should be allowed to take drugs will learn about them and see the the true effects of them, really do people think that the general public follow these government guidelines, I know judges here never hand out class A sentances to people selling MDMA or in possesion, so that side of it doesnt matter, and its not like dropping it to class B is gonna make it legal, anyone caught with pills will get a warning at most unless they're on license or somthing.

 

[d-brock]

im kinda concerned about this. we will be the first gen of seniors that did X pills ALOT. what if everyones fucked when there older HAHAHA .

Yea, that is pretty freaky...Good thing I stopped all that shit. Though I couldn't find any real E if i tried...

 

[Ragamuffin]

im kinda concerned about this. we will be the first gen of seniors that did X pills ALOT. what if everyones fucked when there older HAHAHA .

that doesn't seem to be something u should laugh at... i've taken a good 100 pills and i don't wanna be etarded later in life.

 

[jozza]

It's not a good drug to binge on at all. That's the best part about it.

I definitely agree. Taking e's close to each other makes me feel weird and takes a while to get back to normal. It's really a special occasion thing for me, and at the moment I have no desire to take it again for a long time (next year perhaps?)

 

[IntergalacticMagic]

MDMA is different then Ecstasy, but still Unknown

MDMA is different then Ecstasy, IMO.

Speed can be amazing, and MDMA always is, but when you combine the two, you get Ecstasy.

The thing is, all these chemicals are part of the Amphetamine family (or something), and Amphetamines are stimulants, which are fucking dangerous, and especially destructive at high doses and in synergy.

I'm glad to see people are not mindlessly endorsing MDMA downgrading without admitting that even when used slightly out of line, the negative effects can be profound and *horrifying* permanent.

E is a drug that has a very strict method of "safe use". This method *demands* for 1-6 months between use, minimum. I feel that even state of the art science cannot exactly measure neuron-toxicity levels (brain damage), so it is probably a lot more damaging, and especially, cumulatively damaging, than what is put into light. That comedown is an immediate sign of poisoning and its inherent unnaturalness to our mind and body.

I have had two friends who have basically rotted their brains out from Ecstasy. They didn't have any information about it and ate dirty pills biweekly for an entire summer. So what about them?

I escaped this, slightly, because I was *lucky* enough to realize the "power" of Ecstasy and I questioned it, especially when my friends started to only want to do MDMA pills.

No one will understand the real effects of Ecstasy until it becomes regulated, administered by government/organized doctors, and its purity is verified. I think 95% of people are introduced to it through pressed pills, and as they say, "If you build it they will come"

I have only done pure ecstasy once, and that time, which was the last time I took MDMA pills. I took 2 red Transformers and I felt the least negative symptoms of all my 15-25 experiences. Which makes me sympathize with MDMA.

I feel........ that deep inside of me...... MDMA should ONLY be used for medical purposes. Its too powerful and too short lasting to be used for "fun"

Another thing people have to consider is this. Some people love to shove into other people's faces that they have done 100 or 300+ hits of MDMA without feeling the negative side effects. Well, those people need to realize that they are obviously lucky. You, are obviously lucky? What if you thought you were lucky, and then you realized you were NOT lucky?

 

[Shambles]

MDMA is different then Ecstasy, IMO.

No, they are the same thing. Or at least they should be. Sadly this seems to be a bit of a rarity these days .

 

[E-llusion]

MDMA is different then Ecstasy, IMO.

Speed can be amazing, and MDMA always is, but when you combine the two, you get Ecstasy.

No you don't . MDMA = Ecstasy , in the original form as it was discovered , synthesized and introduced to the masses.

What you get these days in pills called "Ecstasy" is some MDMA (if you are lucky) + whatever (speed, meth, and other garbage)

 

[bama420]

There are actually people i have meet saying this is the hardest i have ever rolled. I took one b/c word of mouth is not something to depend on. I came to the conclusion people born in the late 80/early 90s not everyone but most think rollin is fuckin methbombs and most like them. If only the real shit would surface in the south it is very rare but everyone once in a while someone good hearted acutally wants people to roll and not stay up for 2 days.

 

[Tenchi]

I'm glad that Meth is pretty damn rare in the UK, but in a trade off, most of the pills floating around here now seem to be BZP or some such shite.

That's just not cricket.

 

[Shambles]

It's not MDMA either .

Thankfully, there is always the crystal form .

 

[IntergalacticMagic]

Ecstasy = MDMA cocktail only?

No, they are the same thing. Or at least they should be. Sadly this seems to be a bit of a rarity these days .

>> Sadly this seems to be a bit of a rarity these days

I don't understand what that reply means, or how it relates. You aren't wrong or anything, but I do not understand.

In short, I think combing MDMA with other substances is so much different than pure MDMA, and that 90-95% of all pills sold as Ecstasy are pills with MDMA and with other psychoactive substances, should merit that pure MDMA, although essential to create the Ecstasy experience, should be separated from being called Ecstasy for means of labeling a proper experience.

All I'm saying is, there should be a clear distinction.

I took 1 tablet of Molly last night (MDMA)

I took 1 tablet of Ecstasy last night (MDMA + MDA + Methamphetamine)


My argument is simply that if Ecstasy is anything other than pure MDMA than the media reports about Ecstasy would be more credible. Maybe I'm not communicating enough of my thought process, but I didn't start this thread, so I'm not going to introduce a new topic.

Shamble, I would like more samples. Would you be happy to set me up with a poll thread in ED so I can ask Bluelight if they agree with me?

Maybe this is just a redundant thought.

 

[Shambles]

I don't understand what that reply means, or how it relates. You aren't wrong or anything, but I do not understand.

In short, I think combing MDMA with other substances is so much different than pure MDMA, and that 90-95% of all pills sold as Ecstasy are pills with MDMA and with other psychoactive substances, should merit that pure MDMA, although essential to create the Ecstasy experience, should be separated from being called Ecstasy for means of labeling a proper experience.

I think we may be talking at slightly cross-purposes here, IM. I'm guessing from the fact that you mentioned meth in relation to Ecstasy pills that you are in the US/Australia. We don't have meth in most of Europe so that is not an issue for us. Piperazines are our particular Continental bugbear .

All I meant was that Ecstasy should be nothing but MDMA, as it once was and hopefully will be again. There were often pills that contained a quantity of MDA too as many people especially enjoy the combination, but Ecstasy is MDMA. They are the same thing.

I take your point, however, that the word "Ecstasy" has rather come to mean a tablet that could contain just about anything in recent times. Certainly, when the media reports an "Ecstasy" death, the chances are that the substance concerned was not MDMA at all and this only increases the public's fallacious view of it as a "Killer Rave Drug".

Would you be happy to set me up with a poll thread in ED so I can ask Bluelight if they agree with me?

ED is a little out of my area and the mods may not be too happy with me coming along and starting a poll in their forum, but a quick search turned up this thread which covers similar ground. No poll on this one, although I'm sure I remember similar polls in the past, so maybe ask the ED mods what they think?

I think you raise quite an interesting question actually - what is it that people think of as Ecstasy these days? I'm probably just being a bit rose-tinted in my nostalgia and wishing that it was the "good old days" again when Ecstasy and MDMA were interchangable terms. Perhaps they are not anymore .

 

[tweek478]

Lots of fucking meth in Texas, I would never touch an exo without a testing kit.

 

[Darkveiled]

Had to reply to the people that said this, no Meth in the UK?!?! WTF.

Most of the pills in London are full of the fucking stuff!

 

[Shambles]

First I've heard of it. And I know a few folk who pop pills in London on a regular basis. Maybe you're just lucky .