U.S. Sets Fight in the Poppies to Halt Taliban Cash Flow

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ZANGABAD, Afghanistan — American commanders are planning to cut off the Taliban’s main source of money, the country’s multimillion-dollar opium crop, by pouring thousands of troops into the three provinces that bankroll much of the group’s operations.

The plan to send 20,000 Marines and soldiers into Helmand, Kandahar and Zabul Provinces this summer promises weeks and perhaps months of heavy fighting, since American officers expect the Taliban to vigorously defend what makes up the economic engine for the insurgency. The additional troops, the centerpiece of President Obama’s effort to reverse the course of the seven-year war, will roughly double the number already in southern Afghanistan. The troops already fighting there are universally seen as overwhelmed. In many cases, the Americans will be pushing into areas where few or no troops have been before.

Through extortion and taxation, the Taliban are believed to reap as much as $300 million a year from Afghanistan’s opium trade, which now makes up 90 percent of the world’s total. That is enough, the Americans say, to sustain all of the Taliban’s military operations in southern Afghanistan for an entire year.

“Opium is their financial engine,” said Brig. Gen. John Nicholson, the deputy commander of NATO forces in southern Afghanistan. “That is why we think he will fight for these areas.”

The Americans say that their main goal this summer will be to provide security for the Afghan population, and thereby isolate the insurgents.

But because the opium is tilled in heavily populated areas, and because the Taliban are spread among the people, the Americans say they will have to break the group’s hold on poppy cultivation to be successful.

No one here thinks that is going to be easy.

Only 10 minutes inside the tiny village of Zangabad, 20 miles southwest of Kandahar, a platoon of American soldiers stepped into a poppy field in full bloom on Monday. Taliban fighters opened fire from three sides.

“From the north!” one of the soldiers yelled, spinning and firing.

“West!” another screamed, turning and firing, too.

An hour passed and a thousand bullets whipped through the air. Ammunition was running low. The Taliban were circling.

Then the gunships arrived, swooping in, their bullet casings showering the ground beneath them, their rockets streaking and destroying. Behind a barrage of artillery, the soldiers shot their way out of Zangabad and moved into the cover of the vineyards.

“When are you going drop the bomb?” Capt. Chris Brawley said into his radio over the clatter of machine-gun fire. “I’m in a grape field.”

The bomb came, and after a time the shooting stopped.

The firefight offered a preview of the Americans’ summer in southern Afghanistan. By all accounts, it is going to be bloody.

Like the guerrillas they are, Taliban fighters often fade away when confronted by a conventional army. But in Afghanistan, as they did in Zangabad, the Taliban will probably stand and fight.

Among the ways the Taliban are believed to make money from the opium trade is by charging farmers for protection; if the Americans and British attack, the Taliban will be expected to make good on their side of that bargain.

Indeed, Taliban fighters have begun to fight any efforts by the Americans or the British to move into areas where poppy grows and opium is produced. Last month, a force of British marines moved into a district called Nad Ali in Helmand Province, the center of the country’s poppy cultivation. The Taliban were waiting. In a five-day battle, the British killed 120 Taliban fighters and wounded 150. Only one British soldier was wounded.

Many of the new American soldiers will fan out along southern Afghanistan’s largely unguarded 550-mile-long border with Pakistan. Among them will be soldiers deployed in the Stryker, a relatively quick, nimble armored vehicle that can roam across the vast areas that span the frontier.

All of the new troops are supposed to be in place by Aug. 20, in order to provide security for Afghanistan’s presidential election.

The presence of poppy and opium here has injected a huge measure of uncertainly into the war. Under NATO rules of engagement, American or other forces are prohibited from attacking targets or people related only to narcotics production. Those people are not considered combatants.

But American and other forces are allowed to attack drug smugglers or facilities that are assisting the Taliban. In an interview, General Nicholson said that opium production and the Taliban are so often intertwined that the rules do not usually inhibit American operations.

“We often come across a compound that has opium and I.E.D. materials side by side, and opium and explosive materials and weapons,” General Nicholson said, referring to improvised explosive devices. “It’s very common — more common than not.”

But the prospect of heavy fighting in populated areas could further alienate the Afghan population. In the firefight in Zangabad, the Americans covered their exit with a barrage of 20 155 millimeter high-explosive artillery shells — necessary to shield them from the Taliban, but also enough to inflict serious damage on people and property. A local Afghan interviewed by telephone after the firefight said that four homes had been damaged by the artillery strikes.

Then there is the problem of weaning poppy farmers from poppy farming — a task that has proved intractable in many countries, like Colombia, where the American government has tried to curtail poppy production. It is by far the most lucrative crop an Afghan can farm. The opium trade now makes up nearly 60 percent of Afghanistan’s gross domestic product, American officials say. The country’s opium traffickers typically offer incentives that no Afghan government official can: they can guarantee a farmer a minimum price for the crop as well as taking it to market, despite the horrendous condition of most of Afghanistan’s roads.

“The people don’t like to cultivate poppy, but they are desperate,” Mohammed Ashraf Naseri, the governor of Zabul Province, told a group of visitors this month.

To offer an alternative to poppy farming, the American military is setting aside $250 million for agriculture projects like irrigation improvements and wheat cultivation. General Nicholson said that a $200 million plan for infrastructure improvements, much of it for roads to help get crops to market, was also being prepared. The vision, General Nicholson said, is to try to restore the agricultural economy that flourished in Afghanistan in the 1970s. That, more than military force, will defeat the Taliban, he said.

“There is a significant portion of the enemy that we believe we can peel off with incentives,” the general said. “We can hire away many of these young men.”

Even if the Americans are able to cut production, shortages could drive up prices and not make a significant dent in the Taliban’s profits.

The foray into Zangabad suggested the difficulties that lie ahead. The terrain is a guerrilla’s dream. In addition to acres of shoulder-high poppy plants, rows and rows of hard-packed mud walls, used to stand up grape vines, offer ideal places for ambushes and defense.

But the trickiest thing will be winning over the Afghans themselves. The Taliban are entrenched in the villages and river valleys of southern Afghanistan. The locals, caught between the foes, seem, at best, to be waiting to see who prevails.

On their way to Zangabad, the soldiers stopped in a wheat field to talk to a local farmer. His name was Ahmetullah. The Americans spoke through a Pashto interpreter.

“I’m very happy to see you,” the farmer told the Americans.

“Really?” one of the soldiers asked.

“Yes,” the farmer said.

The interpreter sighed, and spoke in English.

“He’s a liar.”


U.S. Sets Fight in the Poppies to Halt Taliban Cash Flow

Dexter Filkins
NY Times
4.28.09


Link!
 
yeah lets do this, because you know.. we havn't tried to do similar things over and over and over
and it works everytime right?

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The presence of poppy and opium here has injected a huge measure of uncertainly into the war. Under NATO rules of engagement, American or other forces are prohibited from attacking targets or people related only to narcotics production. Those people are not considered combatants.

But American and other forces are allowed to attack drug smugglers or facilities that are assisting the Taliban. In an interview, General Nicholson said that opium production and the Taliban are so often intertwined that the rules do not usually inhibit American operations.

“We often come across a compound that has opium and I.E.D. materials side by side, and opium and explosive materials and weapons,” General Nicholson said, referring to improvised explosive devices. “It’s very common — more common than not.”

In 2001 when American, the British and the rest of NATO went in it was the North Alliance, who were and probably still are enermies of the strict Taliban who were growing and selling the most opium.

The Taliban at the time had been clamping down on it for a few years.

Surely if the US, UK and NATO do try and wipe out as much opium as they can this will only lead to the North Alliance turning against us along with farmers who grow opium inderpendently or the NA or Taliban, thus leading to mre fighting and a higher percentage of the Afghan population wanting us to fuck off! :\

Another thing is that they don't have first class health care in Afghan villages, so opium is actual needed, as it is a fucking analgesic after all!
 
This bullshit war is all about controlling central Asian oil. Fuck you and your lies NWO
 
Enjoy Your Slow and Painful Deaths while Others Continue to Shoot Up

OH GOD YES!

I can't believe it, my dreams have come true!

The US Government are going to let their militia (citizens they browbeat into a straight line) die off to eradicate opium...AND THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

Even if you got rid of every poppy for 100 miles starting in Afghanistan, eastern Asia and South America still produce heroin; their share of the market would just increase.

The US is only fighting this war because they fucked up their relations with their old buddies, the Taliban. They gave the Taliban a lot of money to get arms, and to become a militia force. It's funny they're fighting them now.

And who's paying the price? Every US soldier over there who's going to die.

And the best thing about this is heroin's just going to get more expensive...it'll still be here, probably more of it (when the market opens up for South American and Eastern Asian heroin producers, they will seize this opportunity without a doubt).

The people who make the real buck are the drug dealers, and the only losers in this are the people who got killed because they were trying to eradicate a plant.

I don't even use heroin anymore, this isn't going to effect me. I've been clean for 6 months, 1 week, and counting.

I'm just so happy...

20,000 marines and soldiers.

How many of them are going to die? And in the long run, poppies will not have been eradicated.

To the families and friends of these future victims: your loved ones died for nothing! It is time you reform the government before you're the next victim.
 
Can you read? "US sets fight in poppies to halt Taliban cash flow".

not

"US sets fight in poppies to eradicate opium production worldwide"
 
Can you read? "US sets fight in poppies to halt Taliban cash flow".

not

"US sets fight in poppies to eradicate opium production worldwide"

Yea I thought that was kind of obvious as well. Finally a war policy/tactic that may actually work - Thank you OBAMA. Cutting off the Taliban's supply of money is a great way to help bring them down. Like the articles said, the farmers don't like growing poppies, but that's what they have to do now to support their families. The Taliban forces them to. The Taliban's cash flow will be greatly reduced if the military operation succeeds (and by now we've got battle-hardened soldiers who can hopefully accomplish this misison).

Time will only tell if we give the Afghani farmers enough resources to start growing legitimate crops - which is what they'd much rather do than grow opium for the feared/hated Taliban, which uses terror tactics on its own people to remain in power. If we can succeed in convincing the honest citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq that we are doing our best to help them, and if we actually DO succeed in helping their countries climb out of war and poverty, terrorism will become less popular and accepted among their general populations.

If we just completely withdraw from Afghanistan, the Taliban will take over completely and start terrorizing "free" countries on a massive scale again. We've got a long way to go to defeat and/or neutralize all of the major terrorist organizations, but Obama's policy is 500% better than that of Bush.
 
Time will only tell if we give the Afghani farmers enough resources to start growing legitimate crops - which is what they'd much rather do than grow opium for the feared/hated Taliban, which uses terror tactics on its own people to remain in power.
As long as poppy derived drugs remain illegal, it'll be the most profitable crop available to them. And I'm not so sure that they're forced by the Taliban to grow...
 
I see the desparation of the US/British/other NATO military types hasn't yet sunk to the depths of using air administered selective weedkillers over the poppy fields. Wait until the causualties start piling up at a rate that makes present figures look insignificant and I've got a nasty feeling that there will be 'son of agent orange' being shipped to Afghanistan in industrial amounts.

The US I can sort of understand them still thinking they can force a conventional war with the Taliban & defeat them, but you'd think after over 2 centuries of colonial rule in India, during which time they never actually conquered Afghanistan, that the British would know better.

Anyway isn't there a shortage of morphine derived drugs at the moment? The NHS apparently has quite a shortfall in the amount of pharmaceutical diamorphine (heroin), morphine etc in reserve. They should just cut out the middle man (Tasliban) and deal directly with the local tribal chieftan to purchase all of the opium for refining and medical use - the shortages are dealt with, the farmers get their money (and don't end up hating the troops) and the Talibasn gets fuck all. A win-win situation n'est pas?
 
I am pretty sure the farmers grow the opium for other reasons than just for the taliban


I have seen multiple interviews where farners are pretty much saying they would be pissed off if the U.S. started fucking with their crops aka their money - and like the article said the taliban do things for them that the government cant

in short this is just going to turn into the same thing that is happening in south america with cocaine


they are pretty much telling us(U.S.) to fuck off
 
I have seen multiple interviews where farners are pretty much saying they would be pissed off if the U.S. started fucking with their crops aka their money

In truth, anybody would if someone from another country came in and told you that you couldn't grow one of the few plants that actually thrive in the poor soil and is responsible for making sure you have the money to feed your family. Coffee is about the most valuable legitimate commodity in terms of cost and size of market and you can see coffee growers around the world being given a really shitty deal by most large western companies; even the deal they get from the likes of Fairtrade would only be a fraction what they get for opium. That's without even considering if the soil is capable of growing them, then having to wait 6 years before the first plants produce something saleable.

If you think about it as well, it's a way that they can hit back at the west for all the chaos that comes with an army of occupation, by enslaving their youth!


Like S America, this will escalate in ugliness very quickly, I only hope that various leaders like Golden Brown & Obama are prepared for the backlash from something like this, when the bodies start coming back on a daily basis... I mean the FARC are a bit slapdash compared to the Taliban as the Taliban is fuelled by religion, not politics; that makes a world of difference.
 
Can you read? "US sets fight in poppies to halt Taliban cash flow".

not

"US sets fight in poppies to eradicate opium production worldwide"

And some how, magically, if they halt the cash flow, it'll stop and never restart?

They're obviously targeting the source of the cash flow.

They have enough money and product stocked up so that if they need to, market prices will just rise, the only people who pay are the addicts and those dying to eradicate a drug production center's profits with no results.

And without eradicating the poppy world wide will we be able to actually stop any source of money coming their way.

If you can see past the words on the screen, you'll understand more of what's going on.
 
I doubt this will work. I read in another article on bluelight the Taliban still control 72% of Afghanistan after all these years of fighting. The fact is that no matter what they do and how they do it the Taliban will never die, there will always be those that believe in their cause, I also would be pretty surprised if they didn't recieve some very noteworthy financial support from other nations who hate the US.

Not to mention they more than likely have shitloads of opium and heroin stockpiled which will just fetch a prettier penny when their opium yields start to suffer.

They can pump as much money and put as many boots on the ground as they want. These cunts are always going to be holed up in a cave somewhere with farmers owning large remote bits of land growing their opium for them. The more money spent and the more western casualties caused this is going to become an ever increasingly unpopular war.

It may take a while but the US will leave Afghanistan with their tail between their legs just like the soviets did.
 
^^^

i feel that's the truth, I find Afghanistan very interesting

crazy war on drugs
 
And some how, magically, if they halt the cash flow, it'll stop and never restart?

They're obviously targeting the source of the cash flow.

They have enough money and product stocked up so that if they need to, market prices will just rise, the only people who pay are the addicts and those dying to eradicate a drug production center's profits with no results.

And without eradicating the poppy world wide will we be able to actually stop any source of money coming their way.

If you can see past the words on the screen, you'll understand more of what's going on.

I didn't say it was a good strategy, I said that was their strategy. This move isn't primarily motivated by stopping drug production like you initially said.
 
For every dead farmer, you've created three sons who will join the Taliban. This strategy is terrible. I don't think these fuckers are interested in eliminating the Taliban in the slightest.
 
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