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Heroin U.S. Pulling Out of Afghanistan : How will it affect the illicit Heroin supply in Eurasia?

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So the US is pulling out its troops from Afghanistan this year and their allies there, Germany being the biggest, have said with US logistical support they won't be able to stay either.
Now we know the Taliban originally, before the October 2001 invasion were anti-opium and had all but wiped it out in the majority of the country they controlled, apart from a few parts of the North, which was under the Northern Alliance's control, who had been fighting them since the Soviet's had pulled out in 1989 or '90.

Anyway, I was wondering how this will affect supply and prices, as opium supply has been increasing because of cheap electric solar panels powering electric pumps which have replaced expensive and cut diesel and diesel pumps, which are used to access underground water for watering the opium.
If things stayed the same opium would increase and cost would decrease for the next ten years and after then basically Afghan's underground aquifers would be depleted and fuck all will grow there.
But if the Taliban do start taking over and don't decide against needing opium revenue then that predicted scenario won't take place.

I also know that Colombian home-made submarines can now reach Portugal and Spain, so Colombian Heroin #4 could become an alternative if the Afghan' Heroin is lowered or cut off.

What does everyone else think?

Here's an interesting link about the electric pumps and solar panels -

www.bbc.co.uk

What the heroin industry can teach us about solar power

Afghan poppy farmers have embraced solar power to irrigate their crops, leading to a heroin boom.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Will alternative countries/sources be used for Heroin/Opium and if so, which do you think?
 
I was wondering this and as such will be making a purchase to squirral away for my bday coming up in June. If the supply does dry up again it may do me the world of good, my Rx means I have not needed gear for a long time, at least not needed it in that vital way one does when the hooks right in. I still depend on it for getting high, the need for those special seshes still there despite the weed taking care of most weekends. This w/e is a weed only w/e but having got through my bud a touch too quick I've decided to use a dopeyy dose of methadone, 120mls along with 4mg of Clonazepam, to satiate my need for chill this evening, the 4 joints or so that I have left having been put away for Sunday as a 48 hour tolerance break should guarantee a maximum lean for the fist film in the saga I plan to follow with my old man up to and including my B'day. With the whole COVID thing, new Blu - Ray releases are pretty thin but there are 3 certain niche titles that will be available to watch by the 'big day', sequels to 2 films I already own.

So, to cut a long story in no shape whatsoever, my next shopping trip will require a lot more weed (its some sort of orange citrus effort so if I am going to grab half an oz I may as well do it while the nuggets are pure chunks of skunky summershine) and with respect to the one man with the 'fire things' I will be grabbing another 10 bags (I have rarely been able to get deals since the last drought and even then not for 5 years now) as 2 grams of that will be a perfect end to one of the few days I can make special for myself. If I get that far I will be thankful and in a position to stop taking the drugs availability for granted. I have a line on a really good oral morphine product Zomorph morphine sulphate modified-release capsule - they are 100mg XR capsules and the matrix is easily broken down for injection. However, as well as the obvious nastiness from shooting that waxy gunk into ones wires I find the 'rush' to be a, sometimes almost overwhelming, release of histamine which following a proper podge makes one feel as if they are breathing fire and leaves one with a pulsing and uncomfortable, if short lived and not painful, headache.

So if deprived of gear due to a new drought I may go that direction for comfort but with what by then should be a somewhat reduced tolerance its better to eat 2 - 300mgs worth of those tablets, giving them a good chew of course to still try and mash up as much as the XR matrix but while more is needed (morphine has a well recognised poor absorption rate if eaten) as opposed to just shooting half capsule / 50mg doses the effect, IMO, is much better and long lasting. These are relatively high, if not lethal, doses of morphine for the non user but my tolerance is always at least moderately high due to my Rx. Anyhoo, this seemed to end up as a good spot for todays rant after what has been one of the better weeks in a while. Spring has sprung and while it may be a stretch to say George Floyd received justice, former MPD Officer Chauvin was at least, held accountable for his actions something which is a genuine rarity in US policing.
 
If we turn into a Fentanyl ridden scene I'll definitely call it quits, I really can't be bothered dealing with adulterated heroin or just non-existent heroin.

Could Myanmar or some other place pick up the slack if Afghanistan supply dries up? Meh...
 
i don't understand but am admittedly too drunk to actually read beyond the subject.

but i thought our heroin drought in the early 21s was due to the uk pulling out of afghan? so why would US troops affect it. until we pay more for whatever it is else they grow n that climate surely they are better off growing that and market forces do the rest?

not that i really care since apparently i don't do heroin anymore but if did i've decided i'd inject it (mt previous lapses since getting cleaned i smoked) and it does bother me if that increases my chances of accidentally killing myself.

to be fair my belief in market forces is prob too high. when i was a proper junkie i've had heroin i was sure was laced with fent and it was shit. nod out for 30mins then wake up rattling. i really don't understand how the US drug market has a demand for that shite.
 
but why would they do that to us?!?!? we give them good money for that sweet sweet heroin.

i shouldn't care anymore but i walked past an entire soup kitchen queue worth of junkies earlier and it pained me, i strongly considered scoring, cos at the end of the day i love heroin appparently more than lfe itself.
 
Channels were in place before and will be after. Pakistan border stuff. Its what alum rock was founded on after they stopped the alum rock mining or whatever.
They also grow fields for medical use here.
 
Nice to see you gaz - been a long time 😀

I was never much convinced by the taliban being anti-opium, the story i heard was they were producing so much the warlords thought a year off from growing would bump the price.

How else are the taliban gonna get money? They would be total pariahs so selling brown is about their only income.
 
chinup said:
but why would they do that to us?!?!? we give them good money for that sweet sweet heroin.

i shouldn't care anymore but i walked past an entire soup kitchen queue worth of junkies earlier and it pained me, i strongly considered scoring, cos at the end of the day i love heroin appparently more than lfe itself.
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There are junkies and there are opiate dependents as there are piss heads and alcoholics. Ha ha.. I'm strong. I'm sure I've said it all begore I have evil brudder tit and cyster a pair a dix in a fix.... Who like to call me a junkie and think that's OK, and think they can treat me like nobody because they see me as junkie scum.... Yet I've not been robbing them nor burdening them to raise my son while I'm fixing up and all mad and high..... Because Ian an opiate dependent.... These pair of arseholes over the years, while I wasn't watching have been seeding it in my lad yer mom's no good she's a junkie, when I was stoopid and naive and didn't realise ehst a pair of horrible bastards they are... I thought they were helping out. They weren't. They only took my so when they wanted a kids company for the day. They were buying him. If I asked them to have him for an evening or a day. They used to get the strops and pull faces of severe judgement and disgust. if I got back twenty minutes late to collect him.
SO, they seeded this yer mom's a junkie she's no good over let's say 10 years, from age 7 up till teenager and they still try it. So every now and then my son rares up on me that I'm a junkie and everything is my fault, (it's cold today. Its because my mom is a junkie, I gonna tell her she's a piece if junkie shit cos the villa lost) obviously not as silly examples as that but it may as well be. We are Irish and we get irate over small things now and then and do t stop to think. ("geezer last year told me right he said the Irish are most expert in destroying their own stuff, breaking down their ow. N Houses for no good reason. When they want to let rip, they will let rip and ruin their own stuff and think they've done a good job..)
They Re
SO, yday, there was a minor incident, I wasn't home when my so called round and he needed me to do a sma thing for him, so he let rip on me and called me a junkie, and my friends blah blah.. Well I was ready to go full on half blooded ginger ninja cu chullain. I'll take you all on but first I'm going to smash up my own stuff. Oh boy, I was ready to.
SO I visited my father, and of course the v bastards wouldn't tell him I was there, they said they were gonna a d cops cos I'm on bail. Smirking and jerking each other off behind the door. I remained calm and strong. ("I've seen their statements now and drug user features heavily. Which is very funny, because all my kick offs have happened with no heroin, but yes methadone of stabilisation,!)
SO, I showed strength. Gave them no ammunition at all.... And after that, I had the strength and conviction to make my lad see it, you do not call me or my friends junkies ever again, how dare you. And it's worked. Thus, I am ready to demand morphine in the morning, and when I turn up at court, it'll be delightful if the pair of prats get off their arses to attend (they won't now they think I'm pleading guilty to both charges even tho I ws lead to believe there's just one, I've never been charged with the second one, and excellent, the cyster thinks she has me grovelling for community service. (bastard solicitor, why did I bother engaging such a thing when I hit her last year, no sicitor, no further action after interview ha ha ha. Bastards mal you talk all eating and lissing off the platform. Watch the film.
SO, my being a junkie is so imports t to them. They do not know that I have been engaged with my methadone alm the time. So I look forward to spinning it on Friday around that angle. And getting my morphine on account of the fact that methadone makes me a danger to myself a d so called others on society. For the common good give me morphine!
Ha ha. You see back to Afghanistan etc etc. Go back to winter 2010 and I was spinningike a lunatic, haply as a lark in the morning wild a d crazy 😜 but haply and harmless during the drought...... All these things add up in my head and I'm sick of giving money to thee Muslim brudder hood locally and internationally. And putting myself in danger, going to meet these geezers.
There's some slime out there for sure. And never have I ever dealt with their slimy behaviour. Cash up front always from me.
But there's the presumption. My siblings are very disappointed that as junkie my son ate, washed, wore nice clothes, loved coming home, good person raised and that I werent lying on my back five lines for a shine ducking cock for rock and shoplifting and mugging people. It really disappoints them that I've held it together so spectacularly with a few wobbles at work. And I never lie down., so it's not that I keep getting back up. Fuckers want me grovelling to them so they can kick me in the face repeatedly. Utter bastards. Lol
 
If heroin or opiate gives you comfort and normality so you can live your life, it's not not having life. It's a very strange thing for sure. Folks do not realise it's not about getting high as a kite, it's about stability.. Brain chemistry. It took me a long time to realise firstly that I had anxiety bad as long as I can remember. Likely due to them fuckers kicking me in the face before I could talk.
And you felt like it but you didn't.
Lol soup kitchens in city centre the standard. I had a very bizarre day yday.
How the churches and charities love throwing crumbs to the poor and claiming money for sandwiches. That's what's going on lads. Trussell trust, all donations and "volunteers" yet there's that many volunteers and they're very idfucisl looking you can tell some are getting paid. So they get the workers and the food for free but theyre claiming from the govetnme t and clecting cash from some where to help the poor. Utter bastards. They make you walk round in a ritual humiliation way to see every volunteer when they could just hand over the bag! "there are better food bank church providers . That's for sure.. Oh I see it all, city was mad yday and it was only Tuesday. Gonna have to visit on a Saturday but I'll need to stock up I. Acid for that one
Actually, I realised that I was taking gear for my mind issues first. 10 "years ago, it was helping me function. I get accused of being high when I've nothing taken. As long as I remember.
SO I thought it was depression, but it's long term anxiety, now, if they can give out seroxat and prozac etc for the brainchemidtry. Yet I see these are very toxic things that give many people brain zaps and make them more suicidal to start with, then me, who has been investing in my own fits my brain perfectly anxiety aid for many years saving the NHS a lot of money ha ha. Then I've earnt morphine tablets. I know the magic words. I won't plead tho. Im getting the morphine.
For 3 months my anxiety been very high even thru heroin now. I may be taming it. Ysekf. But morphine for heroin addiction. I'm setting a precedent. And, then my friends will be able to get it too once the precedent been set. In fact. If I could fi d aomeine wishing to study such a thing. If they studied my script history they would see methadone is a wsdte if time. Whst the fu k is thst made from. Feels likes its gluing your insides together, and it fllls me with wind, either outs me on high alert or the other extreme where I can't open my eyes. Then there the burning up. Like I'm gonna spontaneously combust... Sweats.
 
Gaz_hmmmm said:
So the US is pulling out its troops from Afghanistan this year and their allies there, Germany being the biggest, have said with US logistical support they won't be able to stay either.
Now we know the Taliban originally, before the October 2001 invasion were anti-opium and had all but wiped it out in the majority of the country they controlled, apart from a few parts of the North, which was under the Northern Alliance's control, who had been fighting them since the Soviet's had pulled out in 1989 or '90.

Anyway, I was wondering how this will affect supply and prices, as opium supply has been increasing because of cheap electric solar panels powering electric pumps which have replaced expensive and cut diesel and diesel pumps, which are used to access underground water for watering the opium.
If things stayed the same opium would increase and cost would decrease for the next ten years and after then basically Afghan's underground aquifers would be depleted and fuck all will grow there.
But if the Taliban do start taking over and don't decide against needing opium revenue then that predicted scenario won't take place.

I also know that Colombian home-made submarines can now reach Portugal and Spain, so Colombian Heroin #4 could become an alternative if the Afghan' Heroin is lowered or cut off.

What does everyone else think?

Here's an interesting link about the electric pumps and solar panels -

www.bbc.co.uk

What the heroin industry can teach us about solar power

Afghan poppy farmers have embraced solar power to irrigate their crops, leading to a heroin boom.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Will alternative countries/sources be used for Heroin/Opium and if so, which do you think?
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Gaz_Hmmmm,

Here's some further reading for you from BBC's South Asia correspondent Justin Rowlatt:

www.bbc.co.uk

How the US military's opium war in Afghanistan was lost

The US has spent $1.5m a day fighting the opium war in Afghanistan. Why is business still booming?
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

"Around 60% of the Taliban's finances come from the narcotics trade so attacking the drug trafficking networks that operate throughout Afghanistan should reduce the insurgents' revenues, as well as reducing heroin supply worldwide, military planners assumed."

Heroin production benefits the Taliban and has therefore been a target for US forces in recent decades. A withdrawal of US troops would inevitably lead to an increase of production in the country and globally available blackmarket heroin, at the gain of rebel insurgents.

Further reading on this recent, controversial news event:

www.bbc.co.uk

US and Nato start to formally withdraw troops from Afghanistan

The move will bring to an end the US' longest war but prompted a new warning from the Taliban.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Reeta
 
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Last time I checked, more than half the taliban / waswas funding came from carding / credit fraud etc

Less exposure and you only need a laptop, not a whole workforce and dangerous chemicals, a drug shipment network and many potential risks amongst the chain
 
LoginNotSecure said:
Last time I checked, more than half the taliban / waswas funding came from carding / credit fraud etc

Less exposure and you only need a laptop, not a whole workforce and dangerous chemicals, a drug shipment network and many potential risks amongst the chain
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Where are your sources for this claim?

Opiate production, mining and taxes appear to account for the majority of Taliban revenue.

Reeta
 
Reported revenue* Look at the bigger picture you silly fart. What’s easier to hide, transport and disseminate? A memory card with hundreds and thousands of credit card data, on a memory card smaller than your finger nail..

You don’t need a micky mouse degree in journalism to work that one out. Or, maybe YOU do.
 
LoginNotSecure,

Your idea is intriguing, but I would still like to see some kind of source to back up your claim, otherwise it can only be considered as conjecture.

Reeta
 
I imagine the bulk of their money comes from the pakistani military \secret service You dont fund armies with a bit of dope dealing and card fraud.
 
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