U.S. attacks Canadian pot laws

im convinced that the conservative WASPs and their "family values" are the real problem here

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redeemer said:
And what exactly is a "chemical addiction"?
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addiction is defined as drug use that specifically has withdrawl symptoms when use is stopped

cannabis causes the user to have cravings, even intense cravings but there arent really withdrawl symptoms like there are with opiate addiction (i.e. dope sickness)
the whole arguement that cannabis is stronger so its no longer a soft drug is bullshit anyway
caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol are three drugs with ZERO accepted medical use but high recreational value (even though i think theyre shitty drugs) and theyre legal
 
"The law in some provinces is that unless you actually commit a violent crime against another individual, the tendency is for you not to get serious jail time."
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As it really should be- no? Why waste our resources for a property crime? We spend more on drug law enforcement and locking up drug criminals than education.

The reason 60% of 12-17 year olds in treatment have primarily cannabis problems is because parents can put them into treatment programs when they catch them with a joint.
 
More of the usual ... attacking our friendly neighbors to the North while Mexico sends all its finest loads of meth Northbound.

But the Feds are right on one thing .. we have to stop this exportation of our workforce.
At the very least, support your local farmers .. they may use illegal Mexican labor, but their ganja is still American-grown ;)

Thank you NAFTA.
 
*waves hand* pay no attention to the millions of meth laced hits of 'extacy' flowing across the boarder, these are not the drugs you are looking for
 
Invalid Usename said:
That's right teetmanike, you just go a head and keep trying to make a justification case for all of the prohibitionist politicians. They'll just love you for it!

It's people like you who provide the false statistics to the prohibitionists, which result in maintaining laws that place people in jail for their recreational use of things like pot.

You smoke pot because you like it. That's not an addiction. If you feel that you don't have the self control to not smoke it, it is your own lack of self control. 8)

Stop embracing policies that are putting people in jail. :\


Read my sig...

"The United States has 5 percent of the population of the world but 25 percent of the world's prisoners." - LEAP
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What your saying is ridiculous. Pot can be psychologically addicting. When you doing pot while it's interfering with your life in a negative way and you want to stop but cant. you are addicted. Sure, it's nothing like being addicted to harder drugs, and you can compare it to an addiction to shitty food. But it can be an addiction.
 
psychedelic nod said:
im convinced that the conservative WASPs and their "family values" are the real problem here

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So then why does my state (NJ) have strict ass marijuana laws?

Oh and btw I am a conservative and completely against the war on drugs...
 
What? Super high potent marijuana is coming into America from Canada? noooooooooo somebody stop these madmen
 
Invalid Usename said:
It's not an addiction. But you are misunderstanding the exact reason why I am come down on this so hard.

The United States government is in the process of attempting to convince the public that marijuana use creates a dependency, when in fact it does not.
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And they've done a nice job of it too.

Invalid Usename said:
The wording, the statistics, even the use context references. All attempting to make marijuana use appear under the same "problem" group traditionally held by heroin. Essentially taking us back to the 1930's with films like "reffer madeness."
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Well look here man, you're gonna need to read this, I copied it from Merriam Webster's dealio here. Addiction is:

Merriam-Webster said:
compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful
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Dude knew the pot was harming him, he did it anyway. He was thus addicted. The exact same as you can be addicted to video games or sex or junk food or whatever the fuck you're fix is.

Invalid Usename said:
There's nothing macho about what I am doing. I'm arguing against prohibition, and the governments involvement in regulating the private lives of it's citizens.
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Fine and dandy, but there's no reason to tear boy here a new arsehole to do so. Telling some guy that he is not addicted, and that weed isn't potentially an addictive substance is pure BS, and not fighting injustice. I'll tell you why. The government propagates lies about drugs. We have to spread real information. And saying pot can't be addictive is not true. Thus it is false, and misinformation. We can't fight their misinformation with misinformation of our own.

Invalid Usename said:
The reason that some people are compulsive marijuana users is NOT due to a chemical addiction. It is, as you've already said, the same as being a compulsive video game player. Associating marijuana use with substance abuse terminology isn't "cool," it just plays right into the hands of those prohibitionists who are trying to spin 'yet another lie' far out of control.
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I don't know about this 'addiction is cool' business, I never heard that before, but I'm sure somewhere there's a dumbass who thinks it so fair enough. But, while pot doesn't produce negative physical withdrawls when you stop using, neither does cocaine! And I KNOW this because I was a gigantic coke head, and I stopped without so much as a headache.

And I'm a fucking dirty junkie now, so shit, if anybody knows about addiction firsthand it's me. I've been doing hard drugs pretty much my whole teenage and adult life, and soft drugs before then, so it's not like I'm just talking out my ass here.

Just to be clear, I'm debating here, not flaming. Thus I posit my point
 
"The law in some provinces is that unless you actually commit a violent crime against another individual, the tendency is for you not to get serious jail time."

OMFG you mean they don't send people to jail for long periods of time who haven't harmed anyone? Insanity! War on Canada to protect our children from shitty overpriced "BC bud" (not dissing Canadian weed . . . just the shit y'all export).
 
yeah those chainsaw wielding psychos! Who do they think they are? Where do they get off not sinking billions of dollars into a prison system to house non-violent offenders? What, do they think they're 'special' or something?


Hey canada! FUck youuuuuuu


=D hehe
 
The states are pretty backward when it comes to a lot of things, it's just disappointing that, even in an age when we like to consider ourselves more progressive, that this "threat" would be given any attention at all by our government.
 
^^^

I'm sure you can back me up on this one-

What we really need to focus on is our nations REAL number one threat:


BEARS!!!!!!

hehe colbert came to my school last night for a speech, stop the bears before it's too late!!!
 
The Right Wing of the US government loves war. Shit if you don't abide by their rules they'll declare war and take your ass out. Hell didn't Bush Jr. do coke. I'm pretty sure he was at least a raging alcoholic. I do agree with the money issue; millions of Americans without health insurance living in poverty while we spend billions on a war which is making a select few rich and of course lots of money as previously mentioned on the "drug war."
 
"That's why the ignorance of people who think this is not a drug you have to be concerned about is a problem."

kind of like how almost all americans don't consider tobacco or alcohol a drug???

go ahead lock down the borders and we'll just grow it ourselves.

And whats up with this:
Invalid Usename said:
There are some places in the US where if you are caught and convicted with a joint 3 times you get a life sentence. It is referred to as a three stricks law.
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please give me a source for this. I'm calling BS....I believe in California if you get 3 felonies (not 3 misdemeanors) you get life without parole. So unless your joint weighs over ~25 grams i really don't think you're going to get a felony for a joint.
 
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dankstersauce said:
"That's why the ignorance of people who think this is not a drug you have to be concerned about is a problem."

kind of like how almost all americans don't consider tobacco or alcohol a drug???

go ahead lock down the borders and we'll just grow it ourselves.

And whats up with this:

please give me a source for this. I'm calling BS....I believe in California if you get 3 felonies (not 3 misdemeanors) you get life without parole. So unless your joint weighs over ~25 grams i really don't think you're going to get a felony for a joint.
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I thought three strikes in cali got you 20 years, not life?
 
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